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[Solved] Dealing with Jamming Issues in Winkhaus STV-FA-166045-928-M2 Locking System

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  • #1 17257632
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    I have a front door at work with this locking system
    https://www.sparta.com.pl/pl/zasuwnica-dwiedz...kl-c-winkhaus-wielopunktowe-i-listwowe-zamki#
    at least it spat out google after typing symbols from the metal strip at the locks. For some time now, I have put the key on one side (once on this side, and then on this side) and it cannot be turned, even I have the impression that it has not entered the end, although on the visus it looks as if the key has entered all the way. Sometimes it helps to translate it to the other side - then the latter works without a problem, turning it a few times and trying to get back from the first side, sometimes it is effective to push the key in the direction of inserting the key after inserting the key. But since I am not "mechanical", rather electric or electronic, I have concerns about touching it. Is this some standard castle problem? Can it be improved somehow, or is it better to call a locksmith right away with a new lock?
    I would like to add that I have a similar problem with the lock at home, apparently some "better", from the inside it works without a box, from the outside it sometimes happens that, unlike at work, the key turns around without resistance and does not close or open anything, but there are more than one the lock, so it does not currently close on it from the outside. Although sometimes it can be easily opened from the outside. And here, before the end of the functioning, it was helpful to push the key after inserting it, then it worked, but now the risk is that if I lock it and nobody is at home, then I may not open it at all. But I will not elaborate on the topic, this lock at work is more important.
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    #2 17257768
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    What is shown there (in the photo) is the whole "tooling" of the door, but what you are writing about is only the lock insert. You can buy it for ~ 20 PLN. Of course, there is so much to choose from, it's best to remove it and go to the store to find the right one.
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    #3 17257801
    wiertacz
    Level 35  
    Or maybe first, instead of buying a new cartridge, spray some WD-40 or similar specifics into it.
    I used to have a similar problem and I thought that the cartridge had developed and I bought a new one.
    The problem returned after a while.
    Then I sprayed WD-40 and the problem was years away. As a preventive measure, you can spray again every year.
    Attention. After applying the agent, it will stain the key for some time until the agent dries.
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  • #4 17257816
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    I will try this with d. I can not be able to remove it, and even if I remove it, I have to go to the city and choose something, and I cannot leave the company (in the countryside) open, I will add that he works in it himself.
  • #5 17257832
    wiertacz
    Level 35  
    If you want to replace or just remove the insert, below you have some examples of videos on how to do it. There are many such films.
    When buying, you need to pay attention to the length of the insert and whether it is symmetrical on both sides of the door or not symmetrical and what dimensions you need.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYCyxPtsGJw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4wGqPrv_k
  • #6 17257861
    Radiokiller
    Level 30  
    I have had an unpleasant experience of spraying WD into the liner. Well, when the castle was still working, I decided to "improve" it by spraying WD. It turned out that the lock worked even worse after this treatment. The factory graphite grease or some similar grease was moved by the WD pressure to the center of the insert and the key would not go all the way.
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    #7 17258059
    balonika3
    Level 43  
    Do not spray anything into the liner. And the insole itself is probably loose and moves. You have to set it so that the key turns freely and tighten the bolt from the front of the lock. If it does not help, then most likely the insert needs to be replaced. Damage to the lock itself also happens, but first you have to do the above.
  • #8 17259335
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    Hmm, there are no bolts on the front of the lock, except under that metal strip that runs all the way through the door. The whole strip is for a dozen bolts, but there are no ones that are above or below as in a standard lock with a handle.
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    #9 17259398
    Kenworth 18
    Level 43  
    Hello.
    Have a colleague remove the screw in front of the door lock insert shown in photo 9612.
    Most likely, it will be she who will fasten the lock insert.
  • #10 17259400
    wiertacz
    Level 35  
    How is it not there?
    This is the one under the bolt. I think it is a flat screwdriver because the others are cross-shaped.
  • #11 17259573
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    However, you are right Colleagues. I assumed that this screw also only fixes the bar like the others. I pulled out the cylinder and ... without mounting in the door there is the same problem. If it works on one side, it won't budge when put on the other side. Now, having in hand, I can see that the reason is, however, that the key has not been completed, some 0.5mm to 1mm is missing. When you manage to knock this piece in, the key is spinning, although you can feel it at times with "jamming". I guess that means that the insert to be replaced? And if so, are there any important dimensions that you need to know exactly when buying? I can't take out the pattern and go to the store with her, I'd have to leave the business open completely for this time. Does this black turning bolt always have the same size, and what matters is the length, height and width of the insert, the place where the bolt is attached, or can it also have different dimensions? Forgive me for trivial questions, but for the first time in my life I was taking the cylinder out of a lock :D
    Now I have put it back with its side facing out so that I could close the door today and open the door in the morning without getting stuck.
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  • #12 17259634
    Kenworth 18
    Level 43  
    Currently, with a huge number of different types of locks and manufacturers, there will be at least several types of inserts for door locks and the best solution would be to take the original cylinder with a pattern to the store.
    Of course, in a colleague's accident, this option is not available, so it remains to take a few photos of this insert and take measurements of its length, width, measure the ratchet itself, etc. and go to the store with this data.
    The second option is to order the cylinder via the online store after the lock manufacturer's number.
  • #13 17259636
    balonika3
    Level 43  
    You enter the length from the center of the bolt to both ends, e.g. 45/55. The second important dimension is the thickness of the thinner side. Usually it is 10mm, but 8mm is sporadic. The other exchanges are standard.

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    Kenworth 18 wrote:
    The second option is to order the cylinder via the online store after the lock manufacturer's number.
    It is impossible, because the type of lock has nothing to do with the thickness of the door profile and the location of the fitting notch.
  • #14 17259675
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    Thank you, Colleagues, that is, tomorrow, during work, I will take out one more time and measure it in detail, and then after work I will go to the supermarket.
    I think that if it will be exactly the same, I will easily mount it and it will work as before.
    So, if I am going so well, I will return to the topic of the home lock. I guess you have to unscrew this one screw for the star here? Because there is something else on the torx next to it, I don't think I have such keys at all.
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  • #15 17259696
    balonika3
    Level 43  
    olaf x wrote:
    I guess you have to unscrew this one screw for the star here?
    Yes, but it is not said that the inlay also went here. This is an insert with a knob, and you slide it towards that knob. Signs (these rings) do not need to be unscrewed.
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  • #16 17259703
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    From the side of the knob, it always works flawlessly. On the other hand, sometimes it works normally, and sometimes I can spin until I drop without resistance several dozen times, and the lock does not open. Therefore, it is better not to close it from the outside, unless someone is at home. But if I'm the last one to leave, I don't risk breaking the door down afterwards. Here, too, when the trouble started, it was helped by a strong push of the key inside. But it doesn't always work.

    edit. I drove to a few stores reconnaissance and I see that the 40/40 insert is not available here, they are narrower, so I will order online.
    edit2. Luckily, I took out the home liner, it looks good, without any slack or resistance like the one at work, hmm ... if it turns loosely, it does not catch / reach to the rest of the lock on the peasant's mind, I don't know why. I don't think it's the cartridge's fault here. I have put it back together for now, there are other locks. I'll sleep with this.
  • #17 17259991
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    olaf x wrote:
    I drove to a few stores reconnaissance and I see that the 40/40 insert is not available here, they are narrower, so I will order online.
    A larger insert, I do not know what is the next one, e.g. 42/40 or 42/42, it may also be, only that it will protrude a little, as in the pictures of the home lock. With shorter ones, it will be worse, because it will not stick to the signboards and it will be more difficult to insert or turn the key, so no.
  • #18 17260076
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    Well, here the max they had was 35/35. Such a crap. I will not go to Warsaw for her. I have already ordered online. It will be 40/40 lege artis :)
  • #19 17260367
    wiertacz
    Level 35  
    In a home lock, you do not unscrew this torx, but the Phillips screw above it and remove the entire insert inside.
    Here you will have a combined cylinder with this knob and you will rather have to replace the entire cylinder with the same type or with an ordinary one, but then you will have to lock it from the inside with a key.
  • #20 17260587
    balonika3
    Level 43  
    wiertacz wrote:
    Here you will rather have a cartridge combined with this knob
    Not rather, for sure. And only now I read that the knob works every time, so also the cartridge to be replaced.
  • #21 17260634
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    That was what I meant, certainty about the diagnosis. Just 35/35 at home - they had it, tomorrow I will buy and exchange. For now, I keep the post open until I have replaced both of them, but I think everything should go well :)
  • #22 17262864
    olaf x
    Level 34  
    Yesterday ordered, today came, at work already changed as you can see, I think it will go just as smoothly at home, I did not know it was so simple :) I close the topic, thank you all for your help :)
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around issues with the Winkhaus STV-FA-166045-928-M2 locking system, specifically difficulties in turning the key from one side of the lock. Users suggest various troubleshooting methods, including applying WD-40 to lubricate the lock, although some caution against this due to potential worsening of the problem. The need to replace the lock insert is highlighted, with advice on measuring dimensions for a proper fit. Users share experiences with removing the lock insert and emphasize the importance of ensuring the key fully engages. The conversation concludes with successful replacement of the lock insert, indicating that the issue was resolved.
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