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Gas meter inflated bills - Gas meter overstates gas consumption.

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  • #31 17280701
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    OK, no matter whose meter, until you estimate how to measure it, we will not do anything.
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  • #32 17280702
    nina281
    Level 10  
    Can you write what this experiment will give me? The boiler never runs at full capacity.
    Yes, I have a collector every 2 months (this is my tariff). But he writes off the meter without going home and without announcing himself
  • #33 17280704
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    nina281 wrote:
    ...
    One thing is right - I forgot about the decimal ( as long as it's a comma - it is about 3 digits surrounded in red.)

    My emphasis.
    Gas meter inflated bills - Gas meter overstates gas consumption.
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  • #34 17280705
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Run it at full power for a specified period of time and note your gas consumption.
    Do you know the power of the boiler?
  • #35 17280708
    nina281
    Level 10  
    Strumien swiadomosci swia wrote:
    OK, no matter whose meter, until you estimate how to measure it, we will not do anything.


    Ok, so I have to turn on the stove at full capacity and check how many m3 of gas has gone down? Only I have a separate knob for radiators and water heating. Heating is currently off. Should I turn them on too? And to unscrew the radiators throughout the house to the maximum?

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    [quote = "Stream of awareness"] Then let go of full power for a certain period of time and note your gas consumption.
    Do you know the power of the boiler?

    No, but I can look for it in the manual

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    DiZMar wrote:
    nina281 wrote:
    ...
    One thing is right - I forgot about the decimal ( as long as it's a comma - it is about 3 digits surrounded in red.)

    My emphasis.
    Gas meter inflated bills - Gas meter overstates gas consumption.


    Odometer reading ??? Sorry, but I don't know what you're asking? This is my counter. Photo of used up m3
  • #36 17280738
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    Strumien swiadomosci swia wrote:
    Let it run at full power for a specified period of time and note your gas consumption.
    Do you know the power of the boiler?

    These data, as long as they are given in accordance with the indications (which I doubt for a very accurate person), will not give an answer to the question, because they will only be indicative. The actual power of the furnace may differ significantly from the set one and it depends on many conditions independent of its programming. The fact that the display increases even when no gas is used gives food for thought. I would advise not only not to turn on the gas receivers, but to close the gas valves in front of each of the receivers (stove, kitchen, hot water heater). If then the meter reading continues to increase by the 0.4 m? / day I calculated, there will be a leak in the pipe or a defective meter. If then the counter remains in place, it is the cause of leakage of one of the devices. Natural gas is not necessarily perceptible on the "nose" (distributor savings). You can feel the gas from the cylinder well, but not necessarily from the pipe.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    nina281 wrote:
    ... sorry but I don't know what you're asking? ..

    I mean the phrase and the doubt you expressed in it:
    Quote:
    ... as long as it's a comma ...
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  • #37 17280759
    gimak
    Level 41  
    DiZMar wrote:
    Seriously, this consumption was probably (after corrections of the given nonsense versions of the readings) 0.153 m?

    Also, seriously, if there was really no gas consumption, then in my opinion there is an uncontrolled gas flow somewhere, in the amount above the meter sensitivity threshold (with gas, I do not know at what flow rate the rotor should start), since the meter was counting something.
    The question is where this gas has escaped and the next thing that the author of the quote drew attention to, is whether this uncontrolled gas outflow increases during the actual controlled gas consumption.
  • #38 17280761
    nina281
    Level 10  
    You write: "close the gas valves in front of each of the receivers (stove, kitchen, hot water heater)."

    Now only heating the water today. Ok, I'll do as you advise - turn off the stove again and close the valve with warm water.
    Ps. It's a pity you can't help but make your own mischief and outings. I have provided good data, which results from the attached photos.
  • #39 17280768
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    nina281 wrote:
    ... I have given good data, as can be seen from the attached photos.

    You just gave the "good" data after a few mischiefs of mine. The first photos were also not just someone else's counter
    Quote:
    which results from the attached photos
    which I did not even notice, but another reader.
    It's just to be precise. :wink:
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  • #40 17280773
    jack63
    Level 43  
    DiZMar wrote:
    close the gas valves in front of each consumer (stove, kitchen, hot water heater).

    nina281 wrote:
    close the valve with warm water.

    Could you, for your own sake and to spare the nerves of helping you, focus on READING the commands given to you, and not on your own emotions ???
    I wonder if you see the differences in the above quotes ???
    If you can't see, there is no point in helping you, and the topic should end up in the bin.
  • #41 17280776
    nina281
    Level 10  
    DiZMar wrote:
    nina281 wrote:
    ... I have given good data, as can be seen from the attached photos.

    You just gave this "good" data after a few mischiefs of mine. The first photos were also not just someone else's counter
    Quote:
    which results from the attached photos

    It's just to be precise. :wink:


    You took the photos of the installation for photos of the meter ... and it was written in the post: I'll take photos of the installation. The data provided by me for the first time from the meter does not differ from those given for the last time and in the photo of my meter ... for the sake of accuracy. You misinterpreted it - and it could be simply and without rude explanation ...
    thanks for the help ?

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    jack63 wrote:
    DiZMar wrote:
    close the gas valves in front of each consumer (stove, kitchen, hot water heater).

    nina281 wrote:
    close the valve with warm water.

    Could you, for your own sake and to spare the nerves of helping you, focus on READING the commands given to you, and not on your own emotions ???
    I wonder if you see the differences in the above quotes ???
    If you can't see, there is no point in helping you, and the topic should end up in the bin.


    I thought you meant that. "Gas valves before (...) a hot water heater" - I do not know what it is and where they are. I thought, as you can see, it pales that it is a hot water valve. You're helping a pretty green woman on this topic, a completely non-technical woman. If you can, please explain where the valve you mean could be.
  • #42 17280810
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    nina281 wrote:
    ... and it was written in the post: I will take pictures of the installation ...

    So, this wording was before after pictures a lot before, although in the same post. I guess it was clear that these are photos of your meter. Why would you post photos of someone else's meter and not to mention the "scam"? After all, we are ordinary people, not Jackowski, and we do not know your thoughts.
  • #43 17280827
    nina281
    Level 10  
    Misunderstanding - in any case I am trying to understand your advice, and even without austerity it is difficult, which I have never concealed - I am green on this topic.
  • #44 17280837
    jack63
    Level 43  
    nina281 wrote:
    I thought you meant that. "Gas valves before (...) a hot water heater" - I do not know what it is and where they are. I thought, as you can see, it pales that it is a hot water valve

    This is the effect of focusing on your emotions, not logical thinking.
    Idea. The topic is about gas consumption. No water, no gas!
    If you get the command to close the GAS valve, why do you want to close the water valve ???
    If you do not know where the gas valve is, which is no sin, just tell us and ask for directions, and do not fall into an offense of majesty.
  • #45 17280990
    nina281
    Level 10  
    You wrote: I would advise you not only not to turn on the gas receivers, but also close the gas valves before each of the receivers (stove, kitchen, hot water heater ).
    This is where there may be a gas valve upstream of a water heater type receiver. I turned off the stove completely - it seems to me that the only source of generating gas consumption is water heating (electric cooker, house heating off).
    What exactly should I do?
    By the way, I read a dream thread "How I became a gas thief." Gasworks also accuse customers of applying neodymium magnets?
  • #46 17281012
    jack63
    Level 43  
    nina281 wrote:
    This is where the gas valve may be upstream of the heater type reflector

    As a rule, under it, or next to it. You have to follow the gas pipe. Gas valves have yellow knobs, by law, levers. It is enough to turn the lever so that it is perpendicular to the pipe / valve body axis.
    Unless you have a veeery old gas installation.
    Photos of the bottom of the boiler will clear up any doubts.
    The shutdown of the boiler is generally only electrical. The solenoid valve in the boiler may leak. Therefore, the so-called valve should be closed. shut-off device, the installation of which has been obligatory for many years.
  • #47 17281101
    nina281
    Level 10  
    ok i will.
    Several people from the estate responded to my inquiry - they have inflated bills
  • #48 17419953
    FILON105
    Level 1  
    Hello,
    I have just read your entry and I am curious if something has been clarified? In July this year, I found myself in an almost identical situation. All complaints did not work, such a meter indicator and that's the end ... and at the beginning of July, instead of a bill of PLN 300-350, I got an invoice for PLN 845 !!!!
    Regards
  • #49 17423094
    nina281
    Level 10  
    good morning. the matter is still being cleared up. in the case of a few people from the estate, it turned out that the meters were read once a year, although according to the contract they should be - every 2 months.
    I'm sorry I can't help you. Good luck

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a user experiencing inflated gas bills attributed to a gas meter that allegedly overstates consumption. The user filed a complaint with PGNiG but was advised to seek an expert opinion at their own expense if they disagreed with the bill. Various responses suggest potential causes for the inflated readings, including issues with the gas appliances (stove, boiler, water heater), the calorific value of the gas, and possible leaks in the installation. Some participants discuss the difficulty of manipulating gas meters with neodymium magnets, emphasizing that mechanical meters should not inflate readings without external factors. The user provided specific meter details and conducted tests to monitor gas consumption, revealing minimal usage when appliances were turned off. The conversation highlights the importance of accurate meter readings and the potential for systemic issues affecting multiple users in the same area.
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