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Ladder Heater Connection Issue: Improper Install, 1st Floor Apartment, 10-40% Less Efficiency

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  • #1 17279760
    MarkoBB
    Level 11  
    Gentlemen, I looked through some similar topics and found no definite answer.
    "Professionals" in my absence connected the heater as shown in the picture, it is not very possible to change it.
    The apartment is on the 1st floor, 4-storey block of large panels.
    I read that the heater connected in this way will be 10-40% less.
    How does it look real with this heating, try to connect it crosswise or from the bottom or leave it because there will be no big difference?

    Ladder Heater Connection Issue: Improper Install, 1st Floor Apartment, 10-40% Less Efficiency
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  • #2 17279772
    Zbigniew Rusek
    Level 38  
    This connection is still better than connecting completely from the bottom (both supply and return). The best (providing the greatest thermal efficiency) is the cross-connection. If you have to persistently change something, try to make cross connections (it is always possible somehow - maybe you need to screw in some fittings and short sections of pipes).
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  • #3 17280995
    piracik
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Zbigniew Rusek wrote:
    This connection is still better than connecting completely from the bottom (both supply and return).


    I do not understand what is wrong with this connection from the bottom?
  • #4 17285237
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    piracik wrote:
    I do not understand what is wrong with this connection from the bottom?

    ... which is used 99% of the time ?? I'd like to know too.
  • #5 17285271
    sanfran
    Network and Internet specialist
    For me, all radiators are connected from the bottom because they are British islands.
    On the other hand, my colleague @zbi_gniew Rusek is a bit right, because according to the measurements, connecting the radiator from the bottom is 90% of heat consumption when it is connected "crosswise". Which doesn't have much impact on your bills anyway.
    And as for the ladder in the photo - don't worry, the radiator will also warm well.

    Quote:

    The highest thermal power of bathroom radiators is obtained for top-bottom cross connection. In the case of a down-down connection, the heater's power is 5-10% lower than the aforementioned one. The least favorable is the bottom-up connection due to thermal efficiency. In such a system, the radiator power drops by 30-40%. Therefore, it is not recommended.


    https://www.muratorplus.pl/technika/ogarzenia...zczenia-ogoszenia-domu-aa-BSwe-F2RH-8T8c.html
  • #6 17285766
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    Cross connection has an advantage only on large radiators, there is no difference on ordinary small ones.
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  • #7 17742939
    krzsboj
    Level 13  
    andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:
    Cross connection has an advantage only on large radiators, there is no difference on ordinary small ones.


    This is true, unless it is connected to the candlestick riser.
    best regards
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  • #8 18604812
    Jardel
    Level 9  
    What does the candle plummet change?
  • #9 18605112
    hajs444
    Level 17  
    The author of the topic probably has no allocators on the bathroom riser, so he wants to use this radiator as much as possible. I hope this radiator has been properly calculated for this riser.
    Overall, cross-connect will be most effective in this case, but only a few percent. In a room as small as a bathroom, you won't feel the difference.
  • #10 18639841
    mikaxx
    Level 11  
    Can anyone tell me where to install the heater in a cross-connected radiator? does it have to be on the return or can it be in the lower left corner?
  • #11 18640354
    Zbigniew Rusek
    Level 38  
    mikaxx wrote:
    Can anyone tell me where to install the heater in a cross-connected radiator? does it have to be on the return or can it be in the lower left corner?
    Rather not on the return, but in the opposite lower corner to the return (if the supply is from the top), because installed on the return, it may deteriorate the flow of the heating medium and then the radiator may not heat at all when supplied from the central heating installation, when the heater is turned off.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:
    piracik wrote:
    I do not understand what is wrong with this connection from the bottom?

    ... which is used 99% of the time ?? I'd like to know too.

    First of all, the circulation of the heating medium through the radiator deteriorates (as if the pump could handle it, with gravity it would not work at 100%). Secondly, such a connection (both supply and return at the bottom) will cause the heater to air out forever.
  • #12 18641918
    hajs444
    Level 17  
    mikaxx wrote:
    Can anyone tell me where to install the heater in a cross-connected radiator? does it have to be on the return or can it be in the lower left corner?

    If you have a return on the right side, you install it in the lower left corner.
    Zbigniew Rusek wrote:
    First of all, the circulation of the heating medium through the radiator deteriorates (as if the pump could handle it, with gravity it would not work at 100%). Secondly, such a connection (both supply and return at the bottom) will cause the heater to air out forever.

    No exaggeration ..... I assemble a lot myself with bottom connection because the customer just likes such a radiator.
    In forced circulation it does not matter much. The heat rises anyway, so it will be warm all over the place. As for the air in it, unfortunately you have to get used to the fact that such a heater needs to be vented twice a year. Its design alone makes it act as an air separator. After that, there are also automatic vents.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a ladder heater connection issue in a first-floor apartment, where the heater is reportedly installed in a manner that may reduce efficiency by 10-40%. Participants suggest that while the current bottom connection is not ideal, it is still better than a complete bottom connection for both supply and return. The most efficient setup is a cross-connection, which may require additional fittings. Some users note that the difference in efficiency may not be significant for smaller radiators, and proper installation is crucial to avoid air accumulation and ensure optimal heating. Questions arise about the best placement for cross-connected radiators, emphasizing the importance of avoiding return connections that could hinder heating performance.
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