A lathe for a home workshop - a stimulant or a new Chinese one?

Name: A lathe for a home workshop - a stimulant or a new Chinese one?
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Description: Hello, if there is a wrong department here, please move to the appropriate one, please do not delete it, thank you. So, going to the bottom, I am looking for a lathe that is supposed to serve me at home, maybe I do not have any specific things to turn, but a few times a year I visit a turner,...

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Hello, if there is a wrong department here, please move to the appropriate one, please do not delete it, thank you. So, going to the bottom, I am looking for a lathe that is supposed to serve me at home, maybe I do not have any specific things to turn, but a few times a year I visit a turner,...

Grzegorz740 · Answer

Watch these movies. I think they will be helpful when choosing a lathe.

mietekg · Answer

Thank you, I will get acquainted, I hope that I will find out something, it will help in choosing.

Parowy · Answer

Forehead, watch these videos and a whole lot more about lathes, turning and everything else. Also read here I have Techmig LD 550, it is enough for amateur use. Greetings

mietekg · Answer

I have already read a lot of topics and I got confused. Anyway, I bet on the purchase of a new one, I wanted a proven one, but I can see that all old Chinese are no longer available, eg Einhell and techmig, I thought about this 550.
Currently available manufacturers
CORMAK, at least TITAN 500
PROMA
TITANIUM 520
BASS POLAND
GREMMINGER
JAGER GERMAN
HOLZMANN
ERBA

Generally up to PLN 4,000
https://allegro.pl/listing?where=%2Flisting&s...=tokarka&order=m&bmatch=baseline-com-1-1-0725

Has anyone dealt with any company that still has new lathes available for purchase?
From what I can see it is probably all china for one hoof, only the names changed, although they attracted attention
CORMAK and PROXXON but is it something better or just good marketing?
Proxxon at the expense of the distance from the canines to 150mm costs PLN 2400 and 250mm costs PLN 5300 but I think this is probably the best choice?

Parowy · Answer

Have you clearly defined the parameters that interest you?
Just such as distances from the centers, diameter of the passage, the distance of the spindle axis from the bed, etc.
It would be good to start with that, the 150 mm to the canine is a tiny bit for me.
The Proxxon is theoretically better, but for the price, with such parameters, for amateur turning, I would not buy it.

Determine as solidly as possible what details you plan to process, use your imagination, think about what can happen to you, then you will know what lathe you need

mietekg · Answer

I think that nothing will be 30-50cm longer, and the diameter will be 8cm. As I wrote, a 3cm long sleeve with a diameter of 2-3cm needed for some small ones, just such dupes, and if you get something bigger, it can be with a small margin. For fat cases, I will continue to go to the turner.
This proxoon has very little, but for small details it would probably be enough, but for this amount you can have 350mm or 500mm on the fangs, which would be a spare in case of some longer cases.
I spotted something like this:
https://www.basspolska.com/mala-tokarka-stolowa-do-metalu.html something like a copy of einhell
https://www.cormak.pl/tokarka-uniwersalna-cormak-tytan-500/produkt-1408 like something better and 500mm spacing
And:
GREMINGER like AUSTRIA? ale probably made in china a designed in AUSTRIA

https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3329208.html I have 50km to them, I can see them on the spot, although I probably won't check anything big, but I can feel, twist, move, or are there any loose pieces already as new ...
// Edit it will not be good because I have read "Precision mini lathe Gremminger GT 350 HD of Austrian production for turning in soft metals (aluminum, silver, gold, platinum, brass, copper, etc.), wood (MDF, HDF, laminated boards, plywood, solid wood, etc), acrylic, plex, PVC, PCB, laminates, plastics. "

I do not know the distance between the teeth, let's say 350mm is enough, but if 500 or 550mm will be ok, the amount is up to 4,000, diameter up to 80mm should be enough.

Anonymous · Answer

A Polish drug for 4k pln is often a corpse tortured to death in school workshops for years. But don't expect anything good with these new chines at this price.
I have had the famous Nutool 550 myself for over a dozen years. I immediately replaced the engine with a 1.1kW with an inverter, the new bed had to be woken up right away, the handle was replaced and a few more things. Recently I was looking for a lathe for a friendly company. I was looking at Polish monuments with a 0.5-1mm worn bed, a beating spindle, etc., and finally I found the Romanian SNB-400 for PLN 2 / kg.

A bed with hardened guides, an extended box, a two-speed motor. Fifteen hours of work and the lathe works as it should, and it complies with the tolerances. The only thing I didn't do was fast travels (electro-clutch), but I don't really need them.
I suggest looking for some sensible stimulants, not necessarily Polish ones, as these have recently been breaking price records.

mietekg · Answer

The fact for these Polish prices seems to be out of space, once there were 2-3 thousand TSA16 and 20 of them I thought about.
I do not have the opportunity to look for a stimulant because I do not know it completely and I will probably buy scrap that is not worth repairing, so I prefer to start with 3k for a new one to learn what it is about and in some time, if it is not enough for me, I will look for a drug, knowing how working on it and what to check.

Parowy · Answer

On the forum from the link I sent earlier, there is also the "exchange" section, where if someone sells a lathe, he is probably in better condition than a new Chinese.

One more thing - how much space do you have in the workshop?

This Proxxon 150mm is probably tiny, it will fit on a washing machine, but for a lathe, the bigger and heavier the better.
You rejected this Gremminger on the grounds that it is unsuitable for steel?
Most of these little ones will be like that, you need more stiffness and weight for steel.
Ld 550, Nutool and the like will do. The prices are similar, maybe choose the one with better equipment, engine, power, size. Maybe something will be close to you so that you can see it in person.

Walery K · Answer

I would not recommend Holzman, I have their milling machine - very poor performance.
I bought a lathe Bernardo - also Chinese, but workmanship is much better, it has been working for me for 3 years and there are no problems with it.

mietekg · Answer

I will look at these cnc stimulants, but I will rather bet on a new one because I have no experience what it should look like so that it would not be a corpse. I even have space for a colossus for mass work, but I do not need such a place, someone who knows about it would have to watch with me, and I do not want to put 8-10 thousand on scrap metal worth 2 thousand. Yes, I want her to roll a piece of steel bar in the event of a 'W', which is why Gremminger is out of the question. Barnardo interested me: for 400v or 230V choices, probably the same. Price 4,300 probably approx. Added after 55 [minutes]: What is close to me to 100KM with olx: Something worth visiting or scrap suitable for remelting?

Parowy · Answer

I am not sure, but probably with three phases it is easier to insert an inverter.

This Bernardo, apart from the price (~ PLN 1300 more), differs from my chip tub and theoretically hardened bed, the rest is identical to a Chinese woman :D

Scope of delivery - among other things, a bottom bracket with a sled but they did not write whether the motor and wiring are

Anonymous · Answer

Dear colleague, I had a few lathes, because as there was an opportunity, I bought it, Currently in the basement hollow I have a 350 mm Rotwerk, Bought as damaged but got a 3f motor for this inverter and with small modifications to the lathe drive, it works perfectly well, Chinese production needs improvement, (scratch here, saw it there because either a cast barb or something else makes it difficult to play.but everything to be taken care of. In my own, I also converted the propeller drive into an additional motor with a reducer and smooth adjustment, useful, but you have to disassemble when cutting threads. our product is TSB 20 and her smaller sister TSB-16, I had both, unfortunately I sold them and for what I should be punished !!!

Walery K · Answer

I have PROFI 550 LZ - 230V, but the inverter has a built-in and smooth speed control. Unfortunately, since I bought it, it has become a lot more expensive. Prices can be negotiated a bit - I was only able to 5%.

mietekg · Answer

This Profi is cool, but my limit for such a toy is 4,000 + a few hundred zlotys max.
If I am to give 8-10k, I would prefer to ask my turner to come with me and buy a large stimulant.
For now, I will buy a new small and probably Chinese one, because nothing else will be found, I will look at the portals that are available, but probably most of the hoof is made.

Anonymous · Answer

For those 4,000 with pennies, you can easily buy a decent used lathe, not necessarily of domestic production. Chinese women for 5 thousand. are lathe-like toys. No torsional stiffness of the bed, symbolic spindle passage. If you need a small lathe on the 2nd floor of a block (my nutool started out like that ), it's ok. If you have more space, then aim for a normal lathe. A new, decent Chinese woman is over 10,000 PLN.

mietekg · Answer

Is it better to wait and look for something calmly on advertising portals?
And what do you recommend any specific machines or everything goes as long as it is solidly made and in good condition for a 30-40 year old machine.

Kaszpir77 · Answer

About a year ago I bought the Polish TSB-20 for PLN 4,000. The condition of the lathe itself, after being assessed by a colleague of the turner, turned out to be very good (bed, play, etc.). The lathe chuck was worn - she got a new Polish. Now I am trying to change the drive to an inverter one and I think it will serve me for many years.

mietekg · Answer

With stimulants it depends a lot on luck what you get, I will give myself this month I will look for tsb16 and tsb 20 to 100km from me I will see maybe something interesting will happen.

Anonymous · Answer

Extend your search to Bulgarian and Romanian. Borrow or buy (and you will need it anyway) a dial gauge with a magnetic holder, and a 0.5 and 1m shaft, e.g. 25mm for linear guides (surface hardened and ground to tolerance). Ask someone to make a center hole in these rollers. With such equipment, you can easily check the spindle and chuck runout, clearance on the slide, and whether the lathe does not pull the cone (worn or crooked bed). You can buy an average lathe in good condition for 2-2.50 PLN / kg, which translates into 4-5 thousand PLN. Small lathes, due to the fact that they can be placed in the basement, have disproportionately high prices, with much less possibilities. You may think that automatic feeds in both axes, or a few thread jumps in the box (without changing the guitar wheels) is an unnecessary luxury, but you will quickly appreciate them at work.

mietekg · Answer

You probably mean this? Here is a piece of scrap up to PLN 5,000 and 100 km from me is something suitable? (I suppose those who stand for several years with a rusty bed are not? ...) Sprzedaż-lub-zamienie-CID619-IDuKqRr.html#6bfb5105a3

mietekg · Answer

Gentlemen, how about the OUS-1 I got for the price of 1500, it is a milling lathe used by an elderly gentleman to turn the rotors, the center distance from what I googled is 260mm not much but for the bushings it is enough at the beginning, it has to collect everything that is there for it bought, I think the price is adequate, I arranged for a visual inspection.
If anyone has any instructions for this lathe and what should be included in the set.

The search for TSB 16 and TSB 20 turns out to be difficult, the price of the cheapest TSB 20 is 4300 and it looks like a pile of scrap metal 16 PLN cheaper by PLN 1000 also do not go crazy, but I do not stop looking for TSB20 but I will not despise the 16 in good condition.
TSB20 are in nice condition, but over PLN 5500, which is probably a lot for a small lathe, because for the amount of 6000, you can look for something with a center distance of 1 meter or is it wrong?
As I wrote, the place does not limit me, but the budget is 5000 at the most, I was also thinking about TUM 25 prices as for TSB 20, but the conditions are much worse. It's hard to find a 50 year old lathe in good condition.

I am constantly wondering how CORMAK TYTAN 500 would work at the beginning

mietekg · Answer

Anyone know what this lathe is? It is worth buying it, there is no mode to drive the screw and without it, it does not thread to get it somewhere?

Strumien swiadomosci swia · Answer

I have one, I also have a few spare feed modes, I even put them up once, but there was no response. A nice machine for general cargo, I have it on the inverter, and the speed is regulated nicely.

A lathe for a home workshop - a stimulant or a new Chinese one?

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