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  • Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri
    Piri made it available to us for testing 2.4GHz wireless WiFi camera reolink argus 2 . The term "wireless" is of key importance here, because the camera, apart from WiFi connectivity, is powered by a battery (5200mAh 3.6V) and can draw energy from a photovoltaic panel.

    In the video below, we look inside the housing and test the capabilities of the device. The camera has seals that allow it to work outdoors, and a sensor that allows recording material in 1080p resolution. The PIR sensor detects movement and saves energy. Night vision is possible thanks to the IR illumination - the lens has a mechanically moved infrared filter. Video material can be saved on a microSD card (up to 64GB) placed in the camera slot.

    Easy installation and operation of the camera is possible in the smartphone application Piri StreamView , which allows you to preview live, as well as view the material stored on the SD card. The installation is accelerated by voice messages from the camera, scanning QR codes from the camera housing using the smartphone camera and the QR code displayed on the smartphone screen using the camera lens.
    The built-in miniature speaker is surprisingly effective. As a curiosity - we can play an alarm sound from the camera's loudspeaker, and the default siren sound can be replaced with any recording. In addition, thanks to the built-in microphone and speaker, we can run two-way voice communication.

    The voice information of the camera and the application interface are prepared in Polish. The interface of the application is easy to use, it requires minimal corrections in translation.

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    The device has a wide-angle lens, the transducer copes even with very strong sunlight . In the footage you will see a challenge to the compression used in the camera, where instead of a stationary frame, the camera was moved. Despite such a highly variable content of the image, the quality is sufficient. You can also see an improvement in video quality when stabilizing the frame. Video with a small amount of changes in the camera frame will be the standard mode of operation of the device mounted on the handle. However, even when, for example, leaves of a tree moving in the wind appear in the frame, video quality will not be a problem.

    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    The default high quality setting is 1080p 15FPS, low resolution is 640x360 5FPS. When there is no WiFi connection, the camera still saves footage to the SD card. Recordings in low and high resolution are sent to the SD card in separate mp4 files. In the application, we can change the resolution settings. The maximum frame rate is 15FPS, low quality transmission takes ~150-200kb/s bandwidth, high quality ~1200-1500kb/s.

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    During the live view, the application allows you to take a photo or record video and audio. Camera mounting is facilitated by a magnetic holder or a version with a fixing screw. The magnetic holder allows you to quickly change the camera mounting location. The set also includes a strap for mounting on a tree or post.

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    We can easily provide access to the camera to other users of the application using the QR code and access data. After 20 minutes of live view, the application informs about the camera going to sleep, which extends the battery life. We can resume the live view at any time, and the motion sensor watches over the activation of the camera when the PIR detects activity around the device. There is an option to send an e-mail alert when motion is detected.

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    The camera is powered by two Li-Ion batteries in the 18650 format, whose correct operation is supervised by the BMS. The manufacturer declares standby operation on the battery for up to 3 months or continuous viewing/recording for 16 hours.
    Inside the battery housing, the I2C bus leads and the signal from the NTC temperature sensor are visible.

    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    Opening the battery is a good time to check the current consumption in different camera modes. When making such measurements, remember not to cause a short-circuit on the battery, and use a current meter with minimal resistance, e.g. a current-voltage converter.
    The measurement results are as follows:
    - no WiFi card recording, IR off: current 345mA at 3.902V
    - no WiFi card recording, IR on: current 625mA at 3.864V
    - WiFi connection recording to the card, IR off: current 343mA at 3.900V
    - WiFi connection recording to the card, IR on: current 623mA at 3.862V

    As you can see, the state of the established connection does not have a large impact on power consumption,
    it is important to turn on the IR backlight then the camera consumes ~625mA (power ~2.4W) in such conditions we can estimate the battery operation time for 7-8 hours.
    In the absence of IR lighting, power consumption at the level of 345mA (~1.34W), estimated working time of continuous recording ~14-15 hours.

    In standby mode (when the PIR sensor does not detect movement) and the WiFi connection is established, the camera consumes ~427uA (voltage 3.941V) which gives a power of 1-2mW. Observing the changes in current consumption over time, you can see cyclical current pins, this is probably WiFi communication in power saving mode.
    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    The low resolution in-app preview is:
    -IR off: ~374mA at 3.880V -> ~1.45W
    -IR on: ~662mA at 3.847V -> ~2.55W

    The preview in the application high resolution is:
    -IR off: ~375mA at 3.881V -> ~1.45W
    -IR on: ~641mA at 3.848V -> ~2.47W

    Live view slightly increases power consumption by ~100-150mW.

    After opening the housing, you can see the seal, WiFi antenna glued to the housing, WiFi module, memory backup battery or RTC.

    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    The housing shows the PIR motion sensor lens and the camera lens, as well as a miniature speaker.

    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    On the other side of the PCB, the PIR sensor and the matrix are visible. On the left side of the housing there is a mechanical infrared filter moved by an electromagnet.

    Wireless outdoor WiFi camera - Piri

    It is definitely not a typical IP camera known from CCTV monitoring. The device focuses on energy efficiency, easy installation and operation. Plus, this compact camcorder is definitely multi-functional. The application allows you to view from several cameras at the same time. When the camera detects movement, we can receive a PUSH notification on the smartphone.
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    What applications do you see for this compact wireless WiFi camera?

    Personally, I am not convinced by the use of a camera at the front door, especially when using a magnetic holder, such a camera could change its owner quite quickly. The solution may be to install the camera at the appropriate height, making it difficult to access the camera.

    I like the quick and easy assembly that virtually anyone can do. A camera left at home can allow you to check the reason for the alarm, check the activity of pets, as well as verify information about a sudden storm, flooding, etc.
    This functionality can be especially useful on vacation, giving you the opportunity to check what is happening in the apartment.

    The camera can be left in the room when we make the apartment available to the renovation team, perhaps not everyone likes to work under the watchful eye of the camera, but after all it is our home. Another idea for using the device, and especially the two-way voice communication function, is the quick installation of the camera in technical rooms, server rooms, etc. We can supervise the work of the installation team, and, if necessary, quickly communicate with employees or colleagues staying in the technical room. The motion sensor will inform us about the start of work.

    It's worth getting acquainted with the presentations on the channel YT Piri :




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  • #2 17485574
    LA72
    Level 41  
    Everything is beautiful, only the price was not enough to be completely happy.
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  • #3 17485635
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    When it comes to prices, you can talk to Piri, I rather focused on what is inside this camera, what properties it has and how it works in practice.
    I was afraid that when working outside, the camera would be "overloaded" by the strong sun, but it turned out that the device was adapted to it.

    Looking at the price you put, it is comparable to IP cameras designed to work with a CCTV recorder,
    while here is a slightly different application, more mobile and ready to be launched by the end user.

    I have not fully figured out the role of a sticky piece of metal / heat sink in a closed housing. It is known to dissipate heat, but the housing is closed. Maybe the project takes into account work and "rest" cycles?
  • #4 17486104
    krzywy1
    Level 24  
    I wonder what the range of this camera is in complete darkness.
  • #5 17486869
    Piri Polska

    Level 8  
    Good morning
    The price for the webcam is 699 PLN, the solar panel is 99 PLN

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    @ crooked1 The range of the camera at night (0 lux) is 10 meters
  • #6 17487220
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    Extra, we have a representative of the manufacturer in the discussion.

    It would be good if an LTE camera with a SIM card slot appeared someday. Such a camera would work anywhere with network coverage.

    @piri Poland What power can a solar panel, which is an optional kit for the camera, supply?
    I see in the information in your profile that you give a discount on a password related to elektroda.pl, is the price after or before the discount?

    As for IR lighting, I will add that the power consumption of the camera when previewing in the application at high resolution is:
    -IR off: ~ 375mA at 3.881V -> ~ 1.45W
    -IR enabled: ~ 641mA at 3.848V -> ~ 2.47W

    So the power consumption of 6 IR LEDs is about 1W, with this lighting power you cannot require too much, but there is nothing to complain about either.
    It is a compromise between range and power consumption.
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  • #7 17487623
    Piri Polska

    Level 8  
    The price of PLN 699 is a regular price without a discount
    Additional discount for portal readers is available for all products
    Camera after a discount of PLN 630

    As for the panel, the power is 4 W
    @TechEkspert correction output power 2,8W, 480mA,

    As for the webcam with the SIM module, we are introducing it at the turn of November and December, the price will unfortunately be higher, around PLN 990
  • #8 17487683
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    A discount is always a good thing, especially since it is dedicated to portal users. However, the panel has a lot of power, even if you count purely theoretically, 4Wh is 20% of the battery capacity, i.e. 5 hours with full power and we have a full battery. In the case of sunny days, we actually get a camera completely independent of power, even with intensive use of the preview.

    Will the camera with SIM use LTE / LTE-M or still 3G?

    Perhaps these are habits of CCTV cameras, but it would be good for the Piri camera to create an ecosystem with other sensors and wired (NC / NO contacts) or wireless (ISM band) could receive the signal from the flood / door opening / gas sensor or actuate the siren / halogen lighting.

    This would make it possible to trigger an alarm not only when motion is detected, but also when other threats appear. Similarly, the executive module activating the external siren could effectively deter the curious (at the same time distracting from the camera itself).
  • #9 17487781
    Piri Polska

    Level 8  
    The camera will support LTE
    As for notifications, we are planning full integration with our flood, smoke, opening sensors, etc., but this is only Q1 2019
  • #10 17489487
    VSS
    Level 21  
    NOCVISION ????

    the advertising team sailed sharply.
  • #11 17490702
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    I am interested in a PV panel with a micro USB output. Is there a 5V DC / DC buck converter and it can be used as an emergency top-up? Or is the output directly from the panel and the camera's battery is adapted to it?
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  • #12 17490880
    Piri Polska

    Level 8  
    @TechEkspert the cable exit is directly from the panel and the battery is adapted to the panel.
  • #13 17493670
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    I understand, that is, at the output of the panel there is a voltage depending on the light intensity (also above 5V?) And the battery electronics is doing well.

    If this is the case, it would be useful to know that it is not a micro USB connector on the plug from the panel, so that e.g. someone would not accidentally try to charge a phone or other device with a micro USB input.

    @VSS night vision is an interesting topic, highly technical people know exactly what it is about and are aware that such sensitive devices can work, for example, in the light of the moon or stars, etc. However, I noticed that more and more often graphically IR lighting in a consumer camera is referred to as "active night vision "which is a bit of exceeding and comparing other classes of devices. How else to name such functionality in a figurative way?

    As far as night vision is concerned, the technological progress is going very fast, the color night vision device can be a big surprise for someone who tested the "green" monochrome night vision device with a duplicator.






  • #14 17493841
    Piri Polska

    Level 8  
    I think so, but I'm sure I'll let you know
  • #15 17494170
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    Great, waiting for information.
    I discovered one more detail, I gave the information that when switching on the IR illumination, the power consumption increases by ~ 1W.
    I suspect that this power consists of both the power supply of 6 IR LEDs as well as the power supply of the electromagnet that moves the mechanical IR filter.

    The use of a mechanically sliding filter gives a lot to this construction in terms of image quality. For example, here is a test of the gadget https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3507804.html with fixed filters, the effect is color distortions when there are many components of light outside the visible range.
  • #16 17495599
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    From a different barrel (maybe not entirely to the point - after all, the clue of the discussion concerns this specific webcam and its longevity without mains power, but I could not resist ...) - I know that such cameras are actually for a layman - plug and play, i.e. they have work out of the box, but why can't they actually work without a corporate server? Everything is fine when the connection works, and when the company gives up remote support for older products, something happens to their server or the company simply disappears and the camera becomes unusable. Even the simplest IP cameras with ONVIF have a built-in web server and it is possible to work directly via the website or using dedicated software, and for such work, a fixed IP or one of several DynDns is enough.
    Someone previously proposed to create an alarm "ecosystem", but it would rather be feasible in the local network and, for example, using RTP streams, not a remote company server.
    PS. In the MediaTech webcam - also ready from the box - by accident (at the beginning it was permanently crashing and due to unstable behavior and as a result of repair attempts I discovered a few hidden options) I entered the ONVIF layer with a web server, and the entire simple operation by the company server turned out to be an overlay - so it's possible ...
    PPS. The electromagnet, the infrared filter does not consume energy when idle - it works - with a spring pin - on the principle of a bistable relay - a short pulse of appropriate polarity shifts it. So the lion's share of the current goes rather to IR LEDs (and a lot for WiFi support)

    And such a solution described as future-proof in the middle of the topic - i.e. with a GSM card (of course without a solar panel) - has been used by foresters and hunters quite a long time ago - so they are the so-called photo traps. Maybe they lack the full functionality of an IP camera, but as it seems - the above-mentioned webcam with the GSM option will also not be streaming live .....
  • #17 17496018
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    @kotbury you mentioned an interesting topic, now many IoT equipment works only because it is connected to the provider's cloud ... Maybe in the future such devices will be very cheap but we will have to pay a subscription to use the service. Similarly, alexa voice assistants, smog sensors, sonoff relays, etc ...

    An interesting thing with this "bistable" infrared filter, a clever solution, I will check how it looks in this copy.

    As for the announced Piri LTE webcam, I think that its main advantage compared to the wildlife camera will be the live stream from anywhere, but we'll see what it says @piri Poland
  • #18 17496319
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    Such control of the infrared filter is in the AHWVSE modules (which I have put in bulk in several notoriously breaking down IP cameras - even more Chinese - one filter out of curiosity but also because of the need to fit the lens housing - I stripped it down to the broth), in others it may be different.
    Quote:
    As for the announced Piri LTE webcam, I think that its main advantage compared to the wildlife camera will be the live stream from anywhere,

    And streaming over GSM ... in card GSM is probably not feasible due to costs - even subscription ones have limits. Camera traps (autopsy) send single MMS messages every several seconds and only after detecting motion, and at most a few or several seconds of FTP videos and the money from the prepaid card goes like water ... (of course in the described camera after WiFi the problem of limits does not exist, but addiction from the webcam supplier's website)
  • #19 17496353
    tda123
    Level 11  
    It's all fine, just why 2.4GHz. At this frequency, a webcam may come in handy somewhere in a sparsely populated place. Wherever there is civilization on 2.4 GHz, it is impossible to work with video normally, this is the level of interference from other users of this band. So it is not suitable for serious applications. This is of course my opinion based on working with various types of video equipment, if someone has a different opinion, I will be happy to hear the arguments.
  • #20 17496740
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    @kotbury I checked the infrared filter is "bistable" it is a good solution to optimize power consumption. I had to suggest the apertures (iris) in the lenses of old PAL cameras, which were continuously powered, adjusting the aperture for optimal exposure (in the end position they had an additional dark film filter for very bright light).
  • #21 17496825
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    Quote:
    Wherever there is civilization on 2.4 GHz, it is impossible to work with video normally, this is the level of interference from other users of this band. So it is not suitable for serious applications. This is of course my opinion based on working with various types of video equipment, if someone has a different opinion, I will be happy to hear the arguments.


    Well, it seems that WiFi (regardless of whether BG or N or A) occurs rather EXCLUSIVELY where there is civilization, so it will rather work (of course, while maintaining common sense in the selection of channels) - and when it comes to the type of stream, e.g. in modeling transponders, in monitoring 30 FPS at FullHd and with a range greater than the dimensions of an average apartment or yard - it is unlikely to be needed - it's not a FPV drone for kilometers, usually 15 FPS in 720p is perfectly sufficient.
  • #22 17499007
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    The recipe for air condensation is supposed to be 802.ax (WiFi 6), but how will it be in practice?
  • #23 17499291
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    They are reading the technical description of this webcam, I have already dreamed a vision of installing it on my balcony. Everything was beautiful until I saw the price. A bit expensive.
  • #24 17506592
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    As for the price, it is always a relative matter, the price results from something, and there are many factors that shape the price of a product over time.
    The question is whether there is an alternative to such a camera, with similar parameters and functionality but at a lower price?

    For example, the topic includes information that the LTE camera will be even more expensive, but we get something for the price,
    the camera that we leave anywhere and if the battery is charged, the camera works.

    As for me, it all depends on the needs, if I want to do constant monitoring of the building, I will invest in the installation of IP cameras, cable management, recorder installation, emergency power supply, internet connection, etc. And if I want to monitor various places ad hoc, such portable cameras are interesting case.
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