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Understanding System Pressure for Viessmann Furnace in a Cottage Without Manual

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  • #1 17746368
    Drututu
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    Hello sincerely I am asking for help with a Viessmann furnace. Having recently moved into a cottage I do not have the manual for the furnace and it seems to me that it holds too much pressure in the system please give me feedback Understanding System Pressure for Viessmann Furnace in a Cottage Without Manual .
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  • #2 17746374
    fuutro
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    As far as I remember it should be between 1a 3. If so, there should be a pressure valve in the furnace and its output drained to the drain. You can correct it if only through the vent of any of the radiators.
    There is no type of furnace posted anywhere?
  • #3 17748033
    Drututu
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    Hello tomorrow I will try to read with this, in the morning I looked at five more and checked actually goes the PVC pipe to the outside. So with too much pressure in the combustion chamber it will dump the excess outside
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  • #4 17748122
    fuutro
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    This is a closed system, so the protection must be there.
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  • #5 17748187
    Drututu
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    And what about topping up the reader the former owner said only that it must be at 1.5bar and showed how to top up from the mains with valves to the boiler. I send a photo of the valves and the model of the stove
  • #6 17750790
    as007
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    The admittance valve is not tightened and hence the pressure. Tighten the valve and bleed the radiator through the vent to 1.2 and you will be ok.
  • #7 17751076
    BUCKS
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    Gas boilers operate in a closed system and have a 3bar safety valve, which, according to the standard, can fire already at 2.5bar, but certainly must fire after exceeding 3 bar, and the photo shows 3.6 bar, so something is wrong with the protection.
    If the safety valve is connected directly to the sewer then under normal conditions you may not even notice that it has tripped. Some boilers do not have the safety valve connected to the sewer, so if the valve is tripped, water will gush onto the floor and flood the boiler room then you can see, that it tripped ;)

    Drututu wrote:
    I do not have a manual for the furnace


    Write down the exact symbol of your boiler and download the manual from the net from the manufacturer's website.

    Unusually the pressure of cold water on the boiler is in the range of 1-1.5 bar, with an efficient boiler after heating the water pressure jumps by about 0.2-0.3 bar, that is, in practice with an efficient boiler will never exceed 2 bar.
    To maintain a safe pressure level is responsible in the boiler diaphragm vessel, which if it has not been controlled and has a loss of air will cause pressure spikes.
    Also, in addition to checking the valve that allows cold water into the central heating system, I would check the diaphragm vessel to see if it has the correct air pressure.
    Typically, manufacturers state that the vessel should have 0.75 bar.
    I in my vessel adopted as the maximum air pressure of 1.0 bar, then on a cold boiler I pour water to a pressure of 1.4 bar and after heating the water in the system to 60 degrees, the pressure jumps to a level of approx. 1.60-1.65 bar.

    The apparent 3.6 bar is an obvious error and it can not be like this all the time, because it threatens to damage the central heating system as well as the boiler.
    Unless the pressure gauge on the boiler is going crazy and shows wrong data.

    I personally would first check the diaphragm vessel, because it most often causes problems. There should be somewhere in the boiler near the wall such a flat rectangular or round one colored, for example, red. In my boiler, the valve from the diaphragm vessel was on top near the flue pipe, meaning I needed a ladder to check the air pressure in the vessel.
    The diaphragm vessel has a valve identical to those in car wheels, so the problem with the vessel can be different:
    - the pressure in the vessel has dropped due to the lack of periodic, annual inspection and possible refilling of the pressure, analogous to the way it can be in car or bicycle wheels where the air over time spontaneously escapes below the recommended level. Simply inflate the vessel with a car pump to the recommended level, after draining the water from the boiler and with the drain valve open.
    - in the vessel, the valve that lets air through has been damaged, so you need to replace it with a new one and refill the air pressure as above. As a precautionary measure, when checking the pressure, you can replace the valve with a new one, so that later you do not drain a second time if the valve is actually damaged.
    - the diaphragm in the vessel has been damaged and the entire diaphragm vessel is to be replaced.

    As you rule out damage to the vessel or lack of air in the vessel, you can look further and see if the valve that fills central heating with tap water is operational and closes the circuit.
    Sometimes in 2-function boilers the problem can be generated by the plate heat exchanger from the heating of hot water, which, if it has internal perforations, can be the place where tap water pours into the c.o., and in the case of a lack of tap water pressure, it can cause "contaminated" central heating water to spill into the potable tap water system.

    Either determine what's wrong yourself, or if you think it's beyond you, call a service technician, because 3.6 bar is a condition that requires immediate attention.
  • #8 17751157
    Drututu
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    Today I will look at it the valve or rather the usual outlet pipe ( drain) is czyly ejection of water was captured in the boiler. Yesterday to 5 or rather today painted repairs. I do not know if I did not make mistakes myself heated 2 rooms plus living room 30m and danfo in the living room was open to 2 rooms each10 danfos on 5..... I will read the instructions and get back to you with questions gentlemen
  • #9 17751340
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    Drututu wrote:
    Today I will look at it the valve or rather the usual outlet pipe ( drain) is czyly ejection of water captured in the boiler.
    Just remember that what is different is the valve for draining water from the central heating system.central heating system for service/repair, etc. and what is different is a safety valve.
    Safety valve is a special valve that opens automatically if the water pressure in the system exceeds 3 bars, thus protecting the system from excessive pressure.
    A normal drain valve is a manual valve that requires manual opening, because it will not automatically open on its own in a critical situation.
    Take a photo of the boiler from below with a view of all the pipes and valves then you will see it better and then you can write what you think is a safety valve.

    Drututu wrote:
    Yesterday until 5 or rather today I was painting repairs. I don't know if I didn't make mistakes myself heated 2 rooms plus living room 30m and the danfo in the living room was open to 2 rooms each10 danfos on 5.....

    I don't understand your post because it is chaotic.
    What about thermostatic heads is usually 3 is equivalent to 20 degrees, 2 is about 16 degrees, so setting 2 in practice means basically taking the radiators in question out of circulation, unless the air temperature drops below 16 degrees then the valves will be opened.
    Setting 5 is the equivalent of 28 degrees, that is, the radiator is set to the maximum and will heat nonstop as long as the burner in the boiler is heating, unless you eventually reach 28 degrees in the room then the flow of water through the radiator will be suppressed by the head closing the thermostatic valve.

    Turn all the heads to the maximum and see if you have water everywhere in the entire system, whether the system is not aerated, etc. In a normal installation, turning the heads does not matter and does not affect the water pressure in the central heating system, at most it can affect the potential timing of the boiler, that is, the need to run the burner in short cycles if the power of the active radiators at the moment is below the minimum power of your boiler.
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  • #10 17751525
    Drututu
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    Sorry for the previous post fatigue. I send a photo from the bottom of the boiler. Boiler TYPE VITODENS 100. and pruba I will do tonight we will see what pressure the boiler will show. Understanding System Pressure for Viessmann Furnace in a Cottage Without Manual Understanding System Pressure for Viessmann Furnace in a Cottage Without Manual .
  • #11 17751616
    BUCKS
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    I have an atmospheric boiler it has a slightly different design and I have a separate safety valve, similar to what you see at the blue diaphragm vessel from the hot water between the automatic vent and the pressure gauge. This valve has a red knob and an outlet for water on the side.

    Just in case, connect this outlet to the sewer, because if ever in the future this valve fires, it will flood your boiler room.

    You see from the instructions that the condensate drain is integrated into the safety valve built into the boiler, that is, you have a water outlet to the sewer from the central heating system.

    When it comes to connections, according to the instructions, from the left you have:
    - central heating supply with a shut-off valve
    - supply to the hot water cylinder
    - gas connection with a yellow tap
    - return from the hot water cylinder
    - central heating return with a shut-off valve and a drain valve for topping up water in the central heating system. after connecting an additional hose in tap water.

    It follows that the problem of the valve allowing tap water does not apply to you.
    First check the diaphragm vessel and make sure that the central heating system is vented.
    If this does not help, then you can look further.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    Please download the service manual and print it out for yourself, it will come in handy when you want to do anything, because you can verify the manual on the fly with what you will see in person.
    Read the entire manual from cover to cover. Even if you don't understand everything, at least you will associate where to look for what more or less.
  • #12 18058527
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    The problem for today solved it turned out that there was no pressure in the diaphragm vessel. Acquired 1 bar the safety valve is repealed at 2.5bar at 3.6bar it is pouring in a trickle. [img-0]

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around a Viessmann furnace in a cottage, where the user is concerned about excessive system pressure. Responses indicate that the normal pressure range should be between 1 to 3 bar, with a safety valve activating at 3 bar. Users suggest checking the pressure valve, tightening the admittance valve, and bleeding the radiators to maintain proper pressure levels. The user identifies the boiler model as VITODENS 100 and notes that the diaphragm vessel lacked pressure, which was resolved by adding 1 bar. The importance of connecting the safety valve to a drain to prevent flooding is also emphasized.
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TL;DR: Cold system pressure should be 1.0–1.5 bar; the 3 bar safety valve can open near 2.5 bar. "3.6 bar is a condition that requires immediate attention." Fix by closing the fill valve, bleeding, and recharging the expansion vessel. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Why it matters: This helps new Viessmann Vitodens 100 owners without a manual diagnose and fix unsafe boiler pressure fast.

Quick Facts

What pressure should a Viessmann Vitodens 100 show when cold and when heating?

Cold should be 1.0–1.5 bar. A healthy system rises only ~0.2–0.3 bar when heating to ~60°C. Example: 1.4 bar cold yields ~1.60–1.65 bar hot. If yours exceeds 2.0 bar while heating, inspect the expansion vessel or the fill valve. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Is 3.6 bar on the gauge dangerous?

Yes. The boiler has a 3 bar safety valve that can lift around 2.5 bar. 3.6 bar indicates a fault or a tripped protection. "3.6 bar is a condition that requires immediate attention." Check the expansion vessel, the fill valve, or the gauge, and call service. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

How can I quickly bring pressure down if it creeps up?

Close the fill/admittance valve fully. Bleed a radiator at the vent until the gauge shows about 1.2 bar. Recheck stability after a heat cycle. [Elektroda, as007, post #17750790]

How do I top up the system without the manual?

On a Vitodens 100, use the drain/fill valve on the CH return under the boiler. Connect a hose from tap water and open the valves briefly while watching the gauge. Close both valves once the target cold pressure is reached. The manual diagrams show these connections. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751616]

How do I recharge the expansion (diaphragm) vessel?

Recharge it with the system drained, then refill. 1) Drain boiler water and keep the drain open. 2) Inflate the vessel via its Schrader valve to 0.75–1.0 bar using a pump. 3) Close the drain, refill to your cold setpoint, then confirm only ~0.2–0.3 bar rise when heating. The valve is like a car wheel. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

How do I tell the safety valve from the drain valve?

A safety valve opens automatically if pressure exceeds 3 bar to protect the system. A drain valve is manual and only opens when you operate it. The safety valve has a discharge path; the drain is for emptying during service. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751340]

Will thermostatic radiator valve settings change system pressure?

No. TRVs control temperature and flow, not system pressure. Typical markings: 2 ≈ 16°C, 3 ≈ 20°C, 5 ≈ 28°C. TRV adjustments may affect burner cycling, but they do not raise water pressure. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751340]

Why does pressure spike during heating cycles?

Loss of air in the expansion vessel causes pressure spikes. Check and recharge the vessel to the stated precharge. Also verify the fill valve closes, and replace the vessel or valve core if damaged. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Can a stuck filling loop cause pressure to climb?

Yes. If the admittance/fill valve is not fully shut, mains water will raise system pressure. Tighten the valve and bleed a radiator to about 1.2 bar. [Elektroda, as007, post #17750790]

How will I know if the safety valve has opened?

If the safety valve discharges to a sewer, you may not notice it. Some boilers lack this connection, so lifted water can flood the room. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Could an internal leak in the plate heat exchanger raise CH pressure?

Yes. In some two-function boilers, a perforated plate heat exchanger can push tap water into the CH loop. It can also contaminate tap water if mains pressure drops. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Where can I get the Vitodens 100 manual, and should I read it?

Write down the exact model symbol and download the manual from Viessmann’s website. "Read the entire manual from cover to cover." Printing helps match diagrams to your unit during checks. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751616]

What solved the original poster’s issue?

The expansion vessel had no air. It was charged to 1.0 bar. The safety valve began lifting near 2.5 bar, and at 3.6 bar it trickled. [Elektroda, Drututu, post #18058527]

Is it normal for a 3 bar safety valve to lift a bit early?

Yes. By standard tolerance, a 3 bar valve can open around 2.5 bar and must open by 3 bar. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751076]

Should the safety-valve discharge be routed to a drain?

Yes. Connect the safety-valve outlet to a sewer to prevent flooding if it lifts. This Vitodens design integrates condensate and safety discharge to a drain. [Elektroda, BUCKS, post #17751616]
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