[Solved] What vacuum cleaner to buy - bagless or bag? What company do you recommend?

I have a problem because I wanted to buy a vacuum cleaner and I do not know whether to choose a bag or bagless (cyclone).


The advantage of bagless is that you don't spend money on bags.

Do the bagless ones have a shorter service life than the bagged ones? These plastics and construction look not very solid on bagless ones, and you need to empty the container after each vacuuming, will these elements not quickly form?

What is the difference in using a bagless (cyclone) vacuum cleaner compared to using a bag vacuum cleaner?

Which company to choose in both cases?

Price: up to PLN 600 (you can buy a good bag or bagless vacuum cleaner in this price range?)
Carpet vacuuming class shall be A
The cleaning class for hard floors is to be A
Dust re-emission class A

You can give the suggested type of vacuum cleaner (whether it is better bagless or bagged) and suggestions of both types of vacuum cleaners for the given criteria.

I will not advise you what to buy because of the brand. I have a zelmer in Poland and I am satisfied. Plain sack. I can share my comments. I have always been a bag holder. You won't spend too much money. You turn the sack, the old one into trash, and that's it. The baby will do it. I bought a bagless, cyclone. Capacity at all. You have to empty it every few times. That it would end there. You have to disassemble the cyclone, wash everything, including the filters, and let the filters, especially the filters, dry completely. They take me to hell and I wait for it to break down. I will buy a bag for sure.
This, of course, is only my opinion and maybe my wife's too. Probably how many people will say so many sentences.

Bag vacuum cleaners usually have more suction power than bagless vacuum cleaners and when it comes to Zelmer, you can buy it at this price with a 4-year warranty and good suction power.

My wife and I have a stronger zelmer and we have not used bags for two years, because it cost us too much. If you have a larger house or you vacuum frequently, only the bagless version.

barteksmrek wrote:

I will not advise you what to buy because of the brand. I have a zelmer in Poland and I am satisfied. Plain sack. I can share my comments. I've always been a bag holder. You won't spend too much money. You turn the sack, the old one into trash, and that's it. The baby will do it. I bought a bagless, cyclone. Capacity at all. You have to empty it every few times. That it would end there. You have to disassemble the cyclone, wash everything, including the filters, and let the filters, especially the filters, dry completely. They take me to hell and I wait for it to break down. I will buy a bag for sure.
This, of course, is only my opinion and maybe my wife's too. Probably how many people will say so many sentences.

oskar777 wrote:

My wife and I have a stronger zelmer and we have not used bags for two years, because it cost us too much. If you have a larger house or you vacuum frequently, only the bagless version.

Can you describe how time-consuming it is to wash the filters? Write, are there any elements in the bagless ones that can be made faster?
Isn't it that when I buy a bagless one I save on bags, but the vacuum cleaner itself will last shorter than a bag?


What else should you pay attention to when buying a vacuum cleaner? Both types of vacuum cleaners come with different filters, some have anti-allergic filters, other washable filters. What is better to choose when it comes to such details?

Hmm

Initially, I was thinking about:
With sackcloths


ELECTROLUX Silent Performer ESP72DB
ELECTROLUX SilentPerformer ESP74DB
In the bags above, one also has a washable filter and the other has an anti-allergic filter.
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/odśmieacze-standar...electrolux-silent-performer-esp72db,id-963026
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/odśmieacze-standar...electrolux-silentperformer-esp74db,id-1186210



From cyclones


HOOVER Xarion XP81_XP25011
HOOVER Xarion XP81_XP15011
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/odśmieacze-standar...dśmieacz-hoover-xarion-xp81_xp15011,id-662512
https://www.mediaexpert.pl/odśmieacze-standar...dśmieacz-hoover-xarion-xp81_xp25011,id-662514

They only differ in the type of filter, one has a washable filter, and the other has an anti-allergic filter (i.e. we wash one and buy a new anti-allergic one every now and then?)

Is there a chance that the current ones are less burdensome than the cyclones from years ago? In the reviews the suction power is good and they have this category A carpet cleaning however.




According to the reviews of all these vacuum cleaners, the suction power is good.

After years of using bagged vacuum cleaners, I decided to check out other systems. And that's after I couldn't get the meteor bags (I finally found the counterparts). There was a great promotion on the web and a vacuum cleaner for 300 was offered with a delivery for 200. Bagless cyclone raven eo003. So far I'm happy, although cleaning the tank is actually a pain in the ass. It is much faster with the bag - disconnect and throw away

Washing itself is not very time consuming. You have to leave it overnight for the filters to dry. A bit of fun taking apart and folding.

Bagless is just Dyson, Miele. Nerve for others

Borutka wrote:

Bagless is just Dyson, Miele. Nerve for others

So if I have a budget of up to PLN 600, it is not enough for a good cyclone?

Listen, they are sure and for PLN 300. You buy a vacuum cleaner, it breaks after the warranty, you throw it away, you buy a new one. What has a carpet that is not twice as cheap. It's just like with televisions, for example. Sony. Panasonic. And it does not mean that it is better than LG or Samsung.

barteksmrek wrote:

Listen, they are sure and for PLN 300. You buy a vacuum cleaner, it breaks after the warranty, you throw it away, you buy a new one.

The problem is, it can't be vacuumed. Weak thrust and lasts 10 minutes. Then a quarter of an hour for cleaning. The air filtration itself is also questionable.
You take the one I have replaced for vacuuming the house and you have one for life, cleaning once every few weeks, without deteriorating the draft.

For almost 2 years, I have had a Devil bagless vacuum cleaner from my daughter, after a year of use. Before that, of course, there were bag vacuum cleaners of various brands. Devil's daughter wanted to throw it out, because according to her, he had a poor pull and the light was on all the time. I took it, looked at it, washed all the filters (they were heavily contaminated) and made a small modification - I wound a layer of paper towel on the main filter as an additional filter.
We use the vacuum cleaner until today, the bag has been put away. Almost every time after vacuuming, the container for coarser rubbish is emptied (shaken) and the paper towel is changed, I did not even think that so much dust would stick to it. In my opinion, the use of this paper towel is a bull's eye. During these two years of use, I washed the main filter twice, once at the beginning and the second time two months ago, basically unnecessarily, because the water after washing was almost clean. The operation of shaking out the garbage and replacing the paper towel liner does not take more than time than changing the bag.
It also seems to me that after using a paper towel insert, it is more effective to catch dust, because after these almost two years the remaining filters remain clean, which means that less dust is now leaked by the vacuum cleaner.
I also admit that at the beginning I was skeptical towards Devil, but he stayed (due to the possibility of using this paper towel insert) and the bag was left aside. I do not know if it would be similar with other bagless vacuum cleaners, where the use of such an insert would be troublesome.

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Can you describe how time-consuming it is to wash the filters? Write, are there any elements in the bagless ones that can be made faster?
Isn't it that when I buy a bagless one I save on bags, but the vacuum cleaner itself will last shorter than a bag?

I have Zelmer Solaris Twix 5500 older model, black and brown. The filter in it was washed two three times within two years, it was changed once, although it was not particularly released.

Sometimes it blows it with a compressor, I know that not everyone has a compressor, so it would probably be the equivalent of washing. If it was washed, it was left overnight and then rinsed, it was enough. Finally, the radiator. My wife tortures the vacuum cleaner twice a week and has no mercy in this activity.

The vacuum cleaner itself burned down the regulator after 4 years, I changed to the Chinese 4kw regulator with Allegro, the original with PLN 200 I feel sorry for the money.

gimak wrote:

I never thought so much dust would hold on to it.

This is where the problem lies.
In well-working cyclones, the main separation of dust is not performed by the pre-filter, but by the swirling air movement. As a result, the filter gets dirty very slowly and periodic cleaning allows you to keep the vacuum cleaner in top efficiency at all times. The final Hepa filter often requires no intervention at all throughout the life of the equipment.

Borutka wrote:

In well-working cyclones, the main separation of dust is not performed by the pre-filter, but by the swirling air movement.

It just so happens that I know the principle of cyclone operation very well, and that is why I wrote that I was skeptical about the operation of cyclone vacuum cleaners, such as bagless vacuum cleaners. I changed this attitude towards Devil, and it was only because it was possible to use an additional filter made of paper towels, without any great combinations, which stops practically everything and its replacement is as simple as the bag. Its use allowed to avoid washing the original filter. If it were not for this, a bag vacuum cleaner would still be in use. By the way, these bagless vacuum cleaners are also de facto bagged, the role of this bag is played by a filter.
However, I was surprised by the effectiveness of the paper towel in trapping dust.

OK, so with a cyclone, the activities are such that after each vacuuming, I pour the dirt into the garbage can (or first into the mesh to make it less dusty?) Then what? Washes the container and dries itself?
And the filters are washed once every few months (4-6 months)?


And what do you think about these vacuum cleaners what I gave?
Take versions with an antiallergic or washable filter?
Cyclone
HOOVER Xarion XP81_XP25011
HOOVER Xarion XP81_XP15011


Baggy
ELECTROLUX Silent Performer ESP72DB
ELECTROLUX SilentPerformer ESP74DB

Have you thought about a vacuum cleaner with a water filter? For example, such as:
https://www.euro.com.pl/odśmieacze/thomas-perfect-air-allergy-pure_2.bhtml
or
https://www.euro.com.pl/odśmieacze/thomas-perfect-air-animal-pure_2.bhtml

TomaszC. wrote:

Have you thought about a vacuum cleaner with a water filter? For example, such as:
https://www.euro.com.pl/odśmieacze/thomas-perfect-air-allergy-pure_2.bhtml
or
https://www.euro.com.pl/odśmieacze/thomas-perfect-air-animal-pure_2.bhtml

I do not want to use water, because it is hard to do and it is sure. Well, I only choose between bagless and bagless (I thought about Electrolux's cordless vacuum cleaner before, but I folded it).

Privately, I can recommend Zelmer Jupiter. Inexpensive (about PLN 420) bagger, that can be operated with the foot, both when it comes to switching on and regulating the speed of the engine.
I tire of two such, one for about 6-7 years, the other for 3 years. The only thing is that the cable reel broke in the older one and that's it, the material bag is about PLN 2 / pc, paper bag is about PLN 1 / pc.
If I needed a third vacuum cleaner today, I wouldn't think much, I would just order another spotlight.

gimak wrote:

Borutka wrote:

In well-working cyclones, the main separation of dust is not performed by the pre-filter, but by the swirling air movement.

It just so happens that I know the principle of cyclone operation very well, and that is why I wrote that I was skeptical about the operation of cyclone vacuum cleaners, such as bagless vacuum cleaners. I changed this attitude towards Devil, and it was only because it was possible to use an additional filter made of paper towels, without any great combinations, which stops practically everything and its replacement is as simple as the bag. Its use allowed to avoid washing the original filter. If it were not for this, a bag vacuum cleaner would still be in use. By the way, these bagless vacuum cleaners are also de facto bagged, the role of this bag is played by a filter.
However, I was surprised by the effectiveness of the paper towel in trapping dust.

Not every bagless vacuum cleaner is a cyclone vacuum cleaner. In fact, there is a minority of them, and there are really few effective cyclone solutions. The aforementioned Devil has nothing to do with the cyclone. First of all, the principle of cyclone operation ... ideally, the dust does not reach the pre-filter at all, but falls in the container in front of the filter. When emptying the container, we do not have access to the filter and contact with it. It is absurd to say that the filter is the bag in the cyclone.

Borutka wrote:

The mentioned Devil has nothing to do with the cyclone.

The friend is right. I took a closer look at how the air circulation in the container looks like and this is a substitute for a cyclone - it could be done better.

Hmmm, I started to lean a little bit towards sackcloth, however.

I don't understand why Electrolux SilentPerformer ESP74DB carpet cleaning class A, costing PLN 399, is cheaper than other Electrolux vacuum cleaners of the carpet cleaning class B, such as Electrolux SilentPerformer ESP75BD, PowerForce EPF63EB-S for PLN 499, or PowerForce EPF65BR PLN 599 etc. etc.?

Well. I will add from myself. I bought bagless for the first and last time. Simply convenience. Bag in a basket and that's it. How am I supposed to combine with paper towels and improve the producer ...... Yet someone else writes that the filter washes twice a year. Bagless have very small tanks and it is recommended to clean them every second vacuuming. I have an apartment of about 70 sq m and for me this vacuum cleaner has failed the exam. I have no animals and carpets, only panels. What would be in the above-mentioned situation?

Added after 1 [minutes]:

I called Poland. I have Zelmer Jupiter there.

barteksmrek wrote:

Well. I will add from myself. I bought bagless for the first and last time. Simply convenience. Bag in a basket and that's it. How am I supposed to combine with paper towels and improve the producer ...... Yet someone else writes that the filter washes twice a year. Bagless have very small tanks and it is recommended to clean them every second vacuuming. I have an apartment of about 70 sq m and for me this vacuum cleaner has failed the exam. I have no animals or carpets, only panels. What would be in the above-mentioned situation?

Added after 1 [minutes]:

I called Poland. I have Zelmer Jupiter there.

What kind of bag would you buy today?

I marked mediaexpert Electrolux in filtration, carpet vacuuming class A, price up to PLN 600 and only the Electrolux SilentPerformer EP74DB for PLN 399 came out. Surprisingly cheaper than other Electrolux, which have a worse cleaning class for carpets B.

How much work is there to install a fabric bag instead of paper bags. During the production of the LG vacuum cleaner, fabric bags were installed, but after the bag has worn out, it was only possible to buy paper bags. time in Lidl, you could buy universal bags made of Turkish fabric that could be easily installed in any vacuum cleaner. When it was full from the bottom, there is a zipper and after opening it, the content of the bag went to the container and after shaking it out it was like new and it is used for another year The price of such a universal bag is PLN 15.

buba12345 wrote:

What kind of bag would you buy today?

I have no idea. Usually, when I buy something, it takes me a week to select a few items. Then he makes up his mind. This was the case with my washer dryer. I bought it after two weeks of browsing the internet. Now, in Poland, the power of such devices seems to be limited, so the suction power is lower. Cable length. Number of accessories. Service and parts availability. Possibility to buy any ball brush, etc. As I wrote, I have a zelmer and I'm happy. Read the opinions of other users.

barteksmrek wrote:

How am I supposed to combine with paper towels and improve the producer ...... Yet someone else writes that the filter washes twice a year. Bagless have very small tanks and it is recommended to clean them every second vacuuming.

Attaching an additional paper towel insert can be called improving the manufacturer. And I came up with this idea, not to mess with cleaning or washing the original filter, because the replacement of this insert takes a total of 30-40 seconds. In Devil, the tank is quite spacious, but it is rather emptied after each vacuuming. As I wrote, Devil came to me by accident, because my daughter wanted to throw him out, because he has a poor pull, and in turn I wanted to see how it works in practice, so I took him in. As it was obvious that it was derelict, so in my habit, I took it apart and cleaned (washed) all the filters inside the housing, and washed the original primary filter. For this basic filter, I came up with the idea of winding a layer out of a paper towel. After these treatments, the vacuum cleaner will regain its vigor, when my daughter came and vacuumed it with it, she found that it had a better draft than when it was new. I also immediately stated that it has a much greater thrust than the previously used Cobra (I think) 2000, which is not always possible to get bags in, so the Devil entered service. The more that it is not more troublesome to use than the Cobra.
There is also no such specific smell when vacuuming (I refer to it as the smell of dust, if the dust can smell). This smell was also absent when vacuuming with Zelmer's Aquarius vacuum cleaner, which vacuums very well, but is troublesome to clean after vacuuming.
What I wrote are only my observations, which not everyone can share, let alone encourage them to buy a bagless vacuum cleaner.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7244797

Oh, this is such a gem I have in the UK.

We will probably buy this one


Electrolux SilentPerformer ESP75BD






https://www.euro.com.pl/odśmieacze/electrolux-silentperformer-esp75bd.bhtml


Thanks to everyone for your help

I chose a bag vacuum cleaner.

Electrolux SilentPerformer ESP75BD