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Is it worth installing and what kind of filter in front of the hydrophore pump

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  • #1 17854421
    cynamonik
    Level 9  
    I have an omnigena 100 L hydrophore with a JY1000 pump, mounted with a deep well, the water surface is probably about 8-10 m below the basement floor with the hydrophore. The water is quite irony, but the system lasts about 2-3 years.
    Well about 2-3 meters from the hydrophore. Outer diameter blue pipe on the suction about 4-6 cm, I will check again. There is a check valve in front of the hydrophore.
    After unscrewing the flange in the tank you can see quite a lot of gray / brown sludge. Some time ago I had to replace the knee "at the outlet" just above the pump because the iron deposited blocked the light of the internal section in about 50-60%.

    Does a possible sand filter make sense or is it better to add iron remover?
    Can be mounted directly on the blue feed pipes and possibly where is the best? Do I need to fix the cabinets to the wall?
    Or maybe not add a filter at all? From what I have checked it is for a single body
    https://www.ustm.pl/produkty/filtry-do-wody/korpusy-narurowe/korpusy-wfw-emi/
    and the contribution of e.g. 10 "
    https://www.ustm.pl/produkty/filtry-do-wody/wklady/wklady-odzelaziajace---ir/
    the flow will be very limited, to 5 L / min :(
    in turn, larger housings and inserts cost several hundred PLN.

    Typical sand filters have a black housing, so if I would like to buy a transparent one, so that I can assess the degree of contamination without disassembling ... great designers forgot about it :)

    The water is used to fill the toilet flush and water the garden.

    Thank you in advance !

    Is it worth installing and what kind of filter in front of the hydrophore pump Is it worth installing and what kind of filter in front of the hydrophore pump

    Is it worth installing and what kind of filter in front of the hydrophore pump
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  • #2 17855211
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    In my opinion, adding at least one filter system makes sense. In this case, I think a 10 "housing with a" 100 "filter with a low flow resistance is enough. For me, this arrangement works (string filter). I decided to filter through the tank mainly because it catches larger impurities before it goes to the system. I did not notice any reduction. Especially in the installation downstream of the tank, the pressure is controlled by the automatic unit with a switch, but I am not able to determine whether the pump operation time has been extended, or to determine the increase in resistance, but I think that with this performance it does not matter much.

    10 "housings are a cheap and practical solution. And if anything is wrong, you simply remove the cartridge and lose only about PLN 30 per housing. Of course, this type of filter will only help reduce solid contamination and catch some sludge. For this it works great, but of course it is not able to reduce the iron content of the water.

    I believe that the body must be attached to the wall. It's little work and minimal cost. A solid mounting works primarily when replacing a worn cartridge, when sometimes there are problems with opening the "sucked" housing - I recommend buying a special key.

    The place of installation does not matter much. I would be guided by easy access and convenience of subsequent use. The casing would probably be best placed on the blue pipe by cutting it and installing a filter with valves on this section. I also advise you to choose a housing with a transparent cap - it makes it very easy to quickly assess the degree of filter wear.

    As for the iron remover ... Small cartridges for the 10 "housing are practically useless, and their effectiveness is negligible. I tried and gave it a rest. Good results are achieved by using a large system with a salt bed and power supply, but it will be a much larger expense. 3,000 PLN It is worth considering the reasonableness of this purchase, since you use water for technical purposes.
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    #3 17855245
    sigwa18
    Level 43  
    Economically pointless. Before you wipe the impeller, it will be 10-15 years and you will spend more on the cartridges than the hydrophore is worth. The second issue is how much dirt there is, a clogged filter on the suction side will greatly reduce the efficiency of this hydrophore. There is a risk that it will get clogged and the pressure pump will fall due to continuous operation. As for me, if it is to be domestic water for watering flowers, it does not make sense.
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    #4 17855314
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    sigwa18 wrote:
    ... you will spend more on refills than this hydrophore is worth

    The cost of the string insert I buy is PLN 2.85 per item. In packs of 10, they are probably a few pennies cheaper. During the year, I replace three to four cartridges. If I count correctly, the annual cost of the contributions is PLN 10-15. Can you calculate in how many years these cartridges will exceed the value of the hydrophore installed at your friend's cinnamon?

    Let me not be groundless: https://allegro.pl/oferta/filtr-sznurkowy-10-wklad-filtry-do-wody-sznurek-6834389192

    sigwa18 wrote:
    There is a risk that it will clog and the pressure pump will fall due to continuous operation.

    If the cartridges are replaced, there is no such risk.
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    #5 17855360
    Covul
    Level 18  
    The insert does not change much, the pipes stick to iron, if you have a plastic installation, pour it from time to time with vinegar, citric acid or, if you have it, even salt water (only 1 to 3%). Rinse afterwards and there will be a passage again.
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    #6 17856582
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    Covul wrote:
    The insert won't change much, the pipes stick with iron ...

    Yes, it certainly is. For me, however, a lot of rusty sludge remains on the filter cartridge. So I conclude that if the filter is so terribly dirty, more or less the same less dirty goes to the installation. Doesn't that mean that the filter does its job after all?

    The risk of alteration is very small, because the costs of the cartridges are symbolic (my post above). The filter assembly with the housing cost me a little over thirty zlotys, and the assembly of the whole takes two valves, two hours and the proverbial "flask". I guess it's worth it?
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    #7 17856891
    Covul
    Level 18  
    Look at your installation behind the filter and what you have on the pipes, you will see if it actually changes anything. Dissolved iron cannot jump. You write yourself that the cartridges cost you PLN 15 a year, the housing 30, valves, nipples, etc. the next 30, the work will be nothing, some shipments, etc. For that you will buy half such an omnigen pump, or 60 liters of hydrochloric acid 30% and the rest will remain, after dilution, this amount will be in contact with the pipes for many years.
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    #8 17857406
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    Please read with understanding. I have not written anywhere that the filter will reduce the amount of dissolved iron in the water! On the contrary:
    Mobali wrote:
    ... the filter will help only reduce solids and catch some sludge


    I also proposed another solution to this problem:
    Mobali wrote:
    As for the iron remover ... Small 10 "cartridges are practically useless, and their effectiveness is negligible. I tried and gave it up. Good results give the use of a large system with a salt bed and power supply, but it will be a much larger expense .


    Instead, I wrote that MY filter actually retains a lot of sludge and small impurities that do not end up in the installation. And that's it. Everyone has to calculate the costs for himself and calculate what will pay off more. I have done just that, and I have spent relatively little - it has been carefully calculated. After this simple and small investment, dirt gathers on the filter BEFORE installation. And this is what convinces me that it was worth it. Of course, you may have a dissenting opinion. You can also save and ... put together for a new pump ;-)
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  • #9 17898521
    cynamonik
    Level 9  
    Colleagues, thank you for your help and valuable comments. People from the industry recommended me, first of all, to test the amount of iron in the water. I have acquired a cheap and basic test to determine the approximate concentration:
    https://www.bricoman.pl/artykuly-hydrauliczne/filtry-do-wody-i-uzdatniacze/akstrong-do-uzdat Sua/test-badania-wody-zelazo-i-mangan
    but the measurement itself should be performed at> 22 degrees :) so I still have to wait. I have noticed a similar tendency mentioned by Mobali .. iron also precipitates on the elbows and nooks where the centrifugal force throws it out as it flows. But for it to precipitate, first of all there should be air access :) after all, it is iron monoxide. I'll let you know again ..
  • #10 19361327
    son78
    Level 11  
    After installing the EMI 10 "filter, is there no problem with, for example, a leaky vent valve?
    Does the breather work when pressed in or pulled towards you?
    After all, a negative pressure is created at the hydrophore, which is different than in a typical water supply system where there is pressure which acts to push the valve out.
  • #11 19362388
    Covul
    Level 18  
    Usually, in filter housings, the vent is pressed in and has a spring that pulls it. They will also do the suckling.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the installation of a filter in front of an Omnigena 100 L hydrophore with a JY1000 pump, particularly in a scenario where the water is iron-rich and has caused sludge buildup. Users debate the effectiveness of adding a sand filter versus an iron remover, with some suggesting a 10" filter housing with a string filter to capture larger impurities. Concerns are raised about the economic viability of filter maintenance versus potential damage to the pump from iron deposits. Some participants recommend testing the iron concentration in the water before making a decision, while others highlight the importance of regular cartridge replacement to maintain system efficiency. The conversation also touches on the implications of negative pressure on the hydrophore's venting system.
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