Copying the entrance gate remote control

Question

Hello, I live in a housing estate where someone 'wise' decided to put a barrier at the entrance and give one remote control to the apartment, ...

Darek0026 · Accepted Answer

Absurd

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

This is why rolling code remotes were introduced to avoid duplication and ensure safety.
It can be deceived, but it requires specialist knowledge and equipment.

Added after 1 [minutes]:

https://www.pilotydobram.pl/programowanie-pilota-do-bramy-osiedlowej

User removed account · Answer

That made me a little worried. I found such a duplicator on the Allegro, apparently also for variable / dynamic keys: Link So it's a scam?

kotbury · Answer

On the one hand, the rationing of pilots has its purpose - without it, a parking lot in a gated community (if there are no dedicated parking spaces) quickly turns into a guarded parking lot for the entire neighborhood.
On the other hand - my half has a golden mean - each apartment is assigned to: 2 remote controls, 2 RFid tablets (controlling the gates) and each apartment has a dedicated parking space (overwhelming individuals parking redundant cars on the sidewalks and blocking trips after a dozen or so tavern brawls quickly began to disappear).
But additional remote control is only possible after failure and replacement of the old one.

User removed account · Answer

For a long time I had no barrier or dedicated places.
In the end, a barrier was put up, one remote control was distributed (for which they were ordered to pay over PLN 100), but the regulations clearly stated that having a remote control does not guarantee a parking space

As we are a capable nation, what the owner of the area predicted, the fee for issuing a new pilot is almost PLN 800, so that no one can think that he "lost". Worse as it actually gets lost ...

What about this allegro remote (supposedly) programming under a variable key? And if it's a crap, how can I get a remote control like this? Even if it's complicated?

kotbury · Answer

As for the remote copying from the link above - he does not COPY / CLONES the original, but only uses a clever remote adding procedure using an already working remote (from which he supposedly clones - just like you can add regular original remotes with already added ones). If this option is disabled in the control panel - you won't do anything with this "copy" or the original. In addition, it has the parameters of ALL systems in its database - which it can "copy" - and if it is to work with your Nice Flor - it must have that system in its database.

You can only "make extra" remote control by buying the same new (or replacement) and add it to the receiver - you must have physical access to the control panel (because remote access is usually blocked in housing estates) and possibly the receiver's security code (available from the one who rules)

User removed account · Answer

I was thinking, because this remote control basically only has this microprocessor. It would not be possible to somehow "pull" the charge from it and program the same processor with it, and then solder it to an identical remote control?

kotbury · Answer

NO. All commercially used microcontrollers have 100% hardware-locked reading (what would it be a business for the manufacturer, if instead of buying a remote, everyone would buy a PIC for PLN 5 and save it in a batch, realistically looking - even wanting to make such a remote yourself - taking into account the workload alone, the cost of parts and assembly - not counting the cost of the concept, research and design, some companies - e.g. Elmes with his pilots for PLN 35 - are approaching the edge of profitability).
And from your point of view (with the emphasis on copying the remote control without entering into agreements with the operator) - for a person with skills between a layman and an intermediate - making a copy of a rolling code remote that works with any specific system is not feasible.

If you study 4 years of higher mathematics with cryptology in the background, maybe ... and why maybe I wrote this a bit offensively - see the sticky topic: "How radio remotes work, why not every remote will work ..."

User removed account · Answer

I do not mean to assemble the remote control myself because I can even buy the same remote control (cost about PLN 50). The point is that the owner of the area, probably out of sheer greed, threw such a fee to this pilot (explaining the cost of extra money) that I am trying to get around it by all means.
Well, let's make an appointment; the cost of a new remote control on the Internet - PLN 50, the cost of receiving a program programmed by the owner - PLN 800. Perhaps a slight exaggeration?

Maybe in diffrent way; are there any companies that add to such pilots? It would be cheaper for sure. And even if at a comparable price, I would rather let a specialist who spent 4 years studying cryptology earn money than a bloated boot trying to get rich.

sosarek · Answer

Aiming to limit the number of unauthorized pilots - the estate manager has the right to do so and you will not jump over it, read the Regulations of the estate / community instead of writing that it is an exaggeration, and if you actually have a damaged remote that has been saved in the receiver, the costs will probably be lower, which more than once one of the administrators of the department (Marek J.) proved himself by contacting the given area administrator.

Marek J. · Answer

First of all, the fact that you write so does not mean that it is so. After all, you wrote yourself: How are we supposed to know that you are not a tenant of a neighboring facility and that you parked next to it "politely" because there was a place there and the "native" residents had nowhere to park? Nobody spends a few or a dozen thousand on a device limiting access for their own "whim" and without agreeing / consulting with the legal owners of the premises. Where were you then? There are at least several ways to make the entry available to other buts this is not a hacking forum and I think no one should say how to "bypass the system" . Provide the name of the facility manager / administrator and the address / name of the estate and I will try to clarify the matter. In addition, it seems to me that indefinite access to a closed parking lot in the center of Katowice for PLN 800 is an opportunity ...

User removed account · Answer

You bit me, that's exactly what happened. Let's say it defeated me and a few others in a similar position, democracy. By the way, these are tenants' flats - the "tenant" has no greater right to object. More specifically, from further parts of Katowice.

User removed account · Answer

Coding FlorS, although it is a variable code, is a simple coding, in this case you can read the serial number and the status
counter and it is very easy to add such a remote control. In FlorS encoding, the serial number is not explicitly represented, as in Keeloq the counter state must also be decoded in a simple algorithm. The FlorS transmission is 56 bit Manchester encoding.

Marek J. · Answer

Well, my friend "flashed" ... It's like a fan watching a match on TV (and it was recorded almost a year and a half earlier) who thinks he is better than any of the players on the pitch. Since it's so simple, explain to the average Kowalski how to do it step by step without investing in equipment whose value "slightly" exceeds the cost of a new remote control with the service ... Well done!

User removed account · Answer

Sir,
I answer how to get a cheap extra pilot step by step.
1. You can send the remote control for copying (information where, what and how to priv)
2. Borrow, buy or buy and return the device within 14 days (such customer's right) in the attachment below.
After reading the serial number and the counter, it is enough to send this data if, of course, it is not possible to send the remote control, because we only have
one pc
Having the device, you can read and offer a copy to the neighbors if the pilot costs PLN 800.
I can't explain it more easily.

User removed account · Answer

And it all became clear. A quite practical option, but first you have to spend money, and such a device is probably not cheap

Marek J. · Answer

Please describe how the remotes will behave (copied and the original used for cloning)? Will they work as they should, assuming that some will be used several times a day, others once a week, etc (emission counters ...)?

User removed account · Answer

If it is to be a clone and 2 remotes will be used, 1 from time to time, the counter must be higher by 1
and so if we used the remote control and it has a counter reading of 100, and not used for a week it has 80, you have to press the button 21 times to make the gate work.
This is due to the coding and it is difficult to circumvent, it is an inconvenience, but in the event of damage or loss of the remote control, there is no need to undergo an expensive administrative procedure.

User removed account · Answer

This is a compromise, but when both remotes are used with more or less the same frequency every day, I will experience having to press the button several times.

Another thing is that a year ago, four experts on this topic theorized that it was unethical, impossible, etc. Someone comes in and everything becomes simple.

sosarek · Answer

Because it is - I think in the south you have a different concept of common ownership - when all the neighbors start to copy the remote controls, you will start a topic on how to get rid of them because you do not have a place to park. Just think how it works.

User removed account · Answer

I will say this; I am glad that you are contributing to the topic, but I am not interested in your moral judgment. When "power" is deaf to the needs of its hosts, the hosts start to mess. An example is the provision in the regulations, which states that each resident is entitled to one pilot (although there are more parking spaces than residents), and in a situation where someone does not have a car, he cannot give up the pilot (i.e. he must accept it and for pay it) or give it to another resident. Don't judge 0/1.

sosarek · Answer

You were asked for something, you remained deaf

User removed account · Answer

Let's start with the fact that if I were not a resident, I would not have a working remote that I would like to copy (or at least not for that long, after all, the topic has been dragging on for over a year).

The second thing is that the administrator of the estate ("Mr. President") is an idiot who threatens people with eviction for their crooked gaze. The last thing I want is for a stranger to tease him on my behalf.

Marek J. · Answer

The fact that such possibilities exist has been known for a long time (it is enough to read a bit on the Internet ...).
I undertook further discussion not to play "hacker" but to show the unprofitability and incorrect operation of such a "solution"
First of all - the cost of the project
Second - time-consuming and copy-making skills
Third, incorrect operation.
Can you imagine that with a dozen or so clones, one will press the remote control 4 times, the second 20 and the third (after returning, e.g. from vacation, 150 times, standing at the gate ???

User removed account · Answer

From what I learned at Warsaw University of Technology, it is not a very expensive investment.
As for the correctness of operation - I have already mentioned that this is a compromise. Better to stand at the gate a minute and push than wait an hour for someone else to graciously open it.

User removed account · Answer

There is nothing like a factual post until I "helped" you.

lamerb · Answer

This is what community meetings and elections are for to solve such problems, not the pointless idea of cloning a pilot, the use of which will become very tedious.

User removed account · Answer

Meetings of what? Man, these are TBS condominiums, here the tenant, even if he wants to move out, he has to find someone who will move in for him, and try to hang the antenna on the balcony, they will make you pay for the renovation of the facade. This entry barrier is an equally good idea that no one asked for, the decision of the president of a moron. This topic goes nowhere.

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