Best Motherboard for Ryzen 5 3600/3600X: X470 vs B450 (MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte) - Overclocking Options?

Yes, I know there were a lot of questions about this, but I have only problems on the MSI B350 PC Mate, and as I will be upgrading to a 5 3600X next week, I am looking for a suitable motherboard for this. It may be that I will replace the Prock later and I will rather want to tweak it, because I have good AiO for this. So the question: on which chip to look for a motherboard for the third generation? B450? X470?

Here I have some boards for the X470 and B450:

X470
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
ASUS TUF X470-PLUS GAMING

B450
Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE
Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO

Will I be able to do any OC on this album?

I was thinking about intel because I was fed up with these problems with the current album, but I decided to stay and buy the third generation, hence my question and concerns. That's why I want to make sure about this album. I know the specifications and I think this album convinced me.

X570 will not introduce any revolution, but it can introduce diseases of adolescence. The current series of 300, 400 chipsets are manufactured by Asmedia. The X570 will be manufactured by AMD. There will be some design changes to it, due to the addition of functionality (more USB, more SATA ports, additional PCIe 4.0 lines). The TDP of this chipset will increase to 15W (which may already require a very extensive or even active cooling of the chipset). It may be wise to look at how these chipsets are doing, it is worth approaching the news from AMD with a certain distance. More about the new chipsets here: https://www.purepc.pl/plyty_glowne/amd_x570_specalizacja_chipsetu_dla_ryzen_serii_3000

In fact, the only thing that might come in handy one day will be next-gen PCI-e, on the other hand, by the time it becomes usable, it will probably have time to replace the board (so far, graphics cards are barely clogging PCIe 3.0 bandwidth).

Well, the premiere of the new chipset is to be in September, of which I do not yet remember that the premiere of AMD in recent years took place on time. It should be taken into account that as a novelty, prices will be higher. So let's recalculate, taking all the pros and cons, whether waiting for the X570 makes sense.

So the B450 will be okay?

The B450 is designed to support 3000 series CPUs, but a motherboard BIOS update may be required prior to installation. You have to check on the board manufacturer's website whether the specific model supports such a processor. For B450 Tomahawk, the list of supported processors does not yet include models from the 3000 series (probably any day they will), but for example Asrock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4 already has such support: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty% 20B450% 20Gaming% 20K4 / index.pl.asp # CPU

dt1 wrote:

For B450 Tomahawk, there are no models from the 3000 series on the list of supported processors (probably they will be any day),

Here I will add - there is no supported list, but in the download section the BIOS with support for 3000 models is, so there will be no problem. But updating the BIOS will still need to be done before installing the kit.

I will update the BIOS immediately. The update probably before boot and not assembly?

Before assembly. If you mount the 3600 / 3600X on a disc with a non-updated BIOS, there is a chance it won't boot at all. There is also a small chance that it will boot up and find it is "unsupported CPU" but upgradeable. But you can't really count on it not to take a ride. Better to order the board right away with the BIOS update service.

I have old Ryzen, I can always swap. I prefer no one to bother me with the equipment

Since you have old Ryzen, it won't be a problem.

If I can add something, it doesn't even make sense to buy some specific OC motherboards, because they are very weak to overclocking.

Gatki wrote:

it doesn't even make sense to buy some specific OC motherboards, because they are very weak to overclocking.

I do not understand this.
Boards with a good supply section and properly equipped will be suitable for OC.
Discs with a hopeless power section will not be suitable for OC.

Yes, but why pay extra for CDs where Ryzenes are spinning only 100MHz?

I don't know if you already bought the board, but I was just updating the BIOS on the Gigabyte AB350M GAMING 3 board for the Ryzen 3600X. And on this occasion I learned an interesting thing - when updating Bios, support for some older processors falls out and some functionalities fall off. This is because the commonly used chip size for a BIOS is 16MB, and you can't fit everything in this. BIOS manufacturers have to tweak functionality to accommodate the AGESA code for the new Ryzen. Apparently, this applies to almost all current AMD boards. MSI is to release new versions of its boards with more memory (32MB) - maybe it's worth waiting for them?

Yes, but from what I found 32MB is probably only for the X570 chipsets, and they are very expensive. However, with others (eg B450) there is still 16MB.

No, there are many x470 boards with 32mb. You can check yourself here.

Interesting combination - thanks. Although the boards on the X470 are also not the cheapest. And on the B450 there is not a single 32MB Bios disc yet - only for Q3 2019 the MAX versions from MSI are announced (maybe other manufacturers will also follow this path) ...

I personally take the Asus x470 pro for the Ryzen 3600.

I was thinking about the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC again.
I need Wi-Fi and a decent audio section. However, I am not 100% convinced yet. And I'm afraid that the bios for the new Ryzen is still underdeveloped ...