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Communication with SANDEN Electric Compressors Models 33H4166 & 33L4156 for Hybrid Vehicles

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  • #31 18809940
    mpietras
    Level 17  
    Hi @Mihalich ,

    Replied What anyone from v60service.hu???
    Got any information?

    Regards
    Michael
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  • #33 18832842
    Mihalich
    Level 8  
    grzelecg wrote:
    Mihalich wrote:
    Good morning, Grelec.
    I completely disassembled the compressor. I can clearly see the closure between phrases. I will rewind the stator.


    Thanks for the info. So it is confirmed that the SP-A2 oil dissolves the insulation of the wires.

    g



    Good morning.
    Yesterday I assembled the compressor - rewinding the stator gave the effect. everything worked)
  • #34 18832860
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    Cool.
    Did the compressor start right away or did you do a reboot?

    g
  • #35 18832870
    Mihalich
    Level 8  
    I myself determined that the error was fixed and ran
  • #36 18843859
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    So informative. When they repaired the compressor, they put in a newer model:
    was: SHS-33H4166
    it is: SHS-33H4183 (probably "refurbished", because the housing shows the number 4166)
    Communication with SANDEN Electric Compressors Models 33H4166 & 33L4156 for Hybrid Vehicles

    P.S. Unfortunately, I have another failure. The head of one of the screws holding the paw of the pulley that guides the alternator belt broke off and it got dirty.
    Timing shifted, probably a collision and the head to work. New bolts arrived today. I'll check how much I'm back again.

    Regards
  • #37 18844002
    mpietras
    Level 17  
    @grzelecg well i'm sorry ;(
  • #38 18844828
    GorgeHa
    Level 1  
    Good morning,
    I am also having a problem with the A/C compressor. You have recommended people who know the subject and can handle it (I mean compressor regeneration). I saw that a certain person posted a link to a company from the Zielona Góra area. Maybe someone knows a company that deals with this in the vicinity of Warsaw, possibly in the province. Masovian. Regards
  • #39 18986456
    VladMasters
    Level 1  
    Najpierw napisze po rosyjsku, a potem przez tłumacza po polsku.

    Bought Volvo with mileage 102500km. At this point, she already had a new model of air conditioning compressor replaced at 78000 km, namely SHS-33H4183.
    In August, when the mileage was already 152,000 km, I saw an air conditioner error. When I connected VIDA, I saw an overcurrent error. The last reading was 63.75A.

    Having removed the air conditioner, I disassembled it and realized that the reading 63.75A is erroneous, since at such a current there should be traces of burning. After measuring the resistance of the windings with a highly sensitive tester and making sure that there was no short circuit to the case, I decided, on the advice of Greg, to replace the IGBT transistors (IKW75N60TA), which I had been waiting for 3 weeks. According to my own beliefs, I also replaced the PWM controllers and current resistors.
    Having assembled the compressor and filling the system with Sanden SP-A2 oil (it costs about $ 120), it is not possible to find it in the catalogs by the manufacturer's number, but you can find it by the BMW spare part article: 83222339920, as well as the refrigerant.
    Here is his photo:
    Communication with SANDEN Electric Compressors Models 33H4166 & 33L4156 for Hybrid Vehicles

    I was very upset that the compressor did not work and after 5 seconds of operation it went programmatically into a current of 63.75A.
    Turning to his friend, who specializes in automotive electrics and electronics, with the question of why this is happening. After a while, I received a reply that the compressor control board softwarehas the following algorithm:
    In the absence of a short circuit, the inverter supplies power to the motor windings.
    After 5 seconds of running the motor, the inverter stops supplying power to the motor windings.
    The compressor motor runs on an inertial coast, at this moment the control board measures the induction of the motor windings.
    If everything is in order, power is supplied again.
    If not in order - the controller falls into an error.

    Accordingly, it was clear that the matter was induction. The compressor was disassembled again. And the motor winding together with the rotor were taken to electric motor repair specialists. Having connected a device for measuring induction to the windings, it became clear that there were interturn short circuits on all three motor windings. Also, when connecting a megohmmeter, it turned out that the windings can "pierce" on the case at 1000V.




    The motor winding was rewound with wire as close as possible to the one used in the compressor.

    After that, the compressor was assembled and installed on the car, the system was filled with oil and refrigerant - the compressor started working, the current consumption was up to 4.5A.



    Kupiłem Volvo z przebiegiem 102500km. W tym momencie miała już wymieniony nowy model sprężarki klimatyzacji na 78000 km, czyli SHS-33H4183.
    W sierpniu, gdy przebieg wynosił już 152000 km, zobaczyłem błąd klimatyzacji. Po podłączeniu VIDA zobaczyłem błąd przetężenia. Ostatni odczyt to 63.75A.

    Po wyjęciu klimatyzatoraI disassembled it and realized that the reading of 63.75A is wrong, because at this current there should be traces of burning. After measuring the resistance of the windings with a very sensitive tester and making sure that there is no short circuit in the housing, on the advice of Greg, I decided to replace the IGBT transistors (IKW75N60TA), which I had been waiting for 3 weeks. Out of my own conviction, I also replaced the PWM controllers and current resistors.
    After assembling the compressor and filling the system with Sanden SP-A2 oil (costs approx. $120), it cannot be found in the catalogs by the manufacturer's number, but it can be found by the BMW part number: 83222339920, as well as by the refrigerant.
    Here is his photo:
    Communication with SANDEN Electric Compressors Models 33H4166 & 33L4156 for Hybrid Vehicles

    I was very nervous that the compressor did not work and after 5 seconds of operation it went to 63.75A.
    Turning to my friend, who specializes in electrical engineering and automotive electronics, asking why this is happening. After a while, I got the answer that the compressor control board software has the following algorithm:
    In the absence of a short circuit, the inverter supplies current to the motor windings.
    After 5 seconds of motor operation, the inverter stops supplying power to the motor windings.
    The compressor motor is coasting, at this point the control board measures the induction of the motor windings.
    If everything is OK, power is supplied again.
    If not right - the driver goes into error.

    It was therefore clear that the case was inductive. The compressor was disassembled again. The motor winding together with the rotor went to specialists in the repair of electric motors. After connecting the induction measuring device to the windings, it became clear that there were faults between turns on all three motor windings. Also after connecting the megohmmeter, it turned out that the windings can "hit" the housing at a voltage of 1000V.




    The motor winding was wound with a wire as close as possible to the parameters used in the compressor.

    Then the compressor was assembled and installed in the car, the system was filled with oil and refrigerant - the compressor started to work, the current consumption was up to 4.5A.

    Люди, who helped me to reshit этот вопрос in Odessa:
    +380661486256 Disassembly of the compressor, conversion of SMD-elements ;) .
    +380969703260 Diagnostics and electric drive
    +380637562274 Dismantling and installation of the compressor, as well as filling the cooling system.
  • #40 19531567
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    So informative.

    A year ago, I replaced the compressor at Volvo service. They exchange for "remanufactured" by the manufacturer. They give 2 years warranty.
    In mid-June, i.e. after 13 months, the compressor reported a failure again.
    Warranty replacement at volvo service.

    Conclusions:
    - they did not remove the defect of this solution, neither in the hardware nor in the software,
    - I can expect it to hit again, right after the warranty.

    Regards
    GREGOR
  • #41 19539336
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    I have a question at what voltage this compressor works and what current it draws.
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  • #42 19539372
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    Strumien swiadomosci swia wrote:
    I have a question at what voltage this compressor works and what current it draws.


    The voltage in the installation is 390V when the battery is fully charged.
    The compressor operating voltage range is 151-427V, then it reports an error.
    The maximum current of the compressor is 9A.

    Compressor electronics powered by 12V installation.
  • #43 19540544
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Ok, I thought so too, because they are 12v and 45A, so they are rather toys.
  • #44 20090262
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    Another year passed and the electric compressor reported an error.
    It died under similar conditions as before.
    Hot day 30C+ and the charging process on a home charger at the lowest current to full.

    The compressor then turns on at full power from time to time and cools down the components of the hybrid system.
    Some switching on of the compressor with a high battery charge level caused the windings to break to ground.

    Reported to VOLVO service. As it turns out, the previous warranty repair extends the warranty by another 2 years.
    They will replace it under warranty. This will be the fourth compressor.

    So I guess I'll have the compressor replaced every year until they fix something on this refurbished equipment.

    Regards
  • #45 20098976
    MooseWorkshop
    Level 2  
    @grzelecg

    Hello,
    I am writing with the help of a translator and I would like to apologize for that. Your Gregor and of course the work of others here on the Sanden SHS-33 (Volvo Part 36012859) is admirable.
    Thanks to your help, I was motivated to completely disassemble the compressor.
    Unfortunately I don't have support to rewind the motor? I haven't been able to find a company here in Germany yet. Now my questions
    Does anyone have a winding diagram?
    Can I use the electric motor from a Mercedes compressor? Does anyone know if there are differences in the motor winding in the SHS-33 variants?
    Thank you for your support.
    Achim


    Hello,
    I am writing with the help of a translator and would like to apologise for that. Your Gregor and of course the work of others here on the subject of Sanden SHS-33 (Volvo Part 36012859) is admirable.
    Thanks to your help, I had the motivation to completely disassemble the compressor.
    Unfortunately I don't have the support to rewind the motor? I haven't found a company here in Germany yet. Now my questions
    Does anyone have a winding diagram?
    Can I use the electric motor from the Mercedes compressor? Does anyone know if there are differences in the SHS-33 variants for the motor winding?
    Thanks for your support.
  • #46 20102438
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    99% of the windings in the compressor from VOLVO and Mercedes are identical.
    3 phases connected in a star.

    I disassembled the compressor from the hybrid Mercedes W212. The differences are only in the housing and the HV power input.
    Of course, the software loaded in the electronics is not interchangeable, because the IDs of the modules in the cars are different.

    Some time ago I found out in one company if they would repair / rewind such a compressor.
    They replied that for PLN 1,500 they can easily regenerate and give a guarantee.

    This is not an advertisement, but maybe someone will find it useful and share the results of regeneration:

    Auto-Climate
    ul. Nowosolna 58 A,
    Podbrzezie Dolne, 67-120 Kożuchów
    TEL: +48 500 190 275
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  • #47 20102491
    MooseWorkshop
    Level 2  
    Thank you for your support,
    I completely disassembled the compressor. The motor winding is burnt. Now I'm looking for someone to rewind it. Will check with the recommended company sometime. Or do you have another electrical company here that could rewind it for me? Thank you.
  • #48 20107928
    grzelecg
    Level 15  
    For information:

    replacing the electric air conditioning compressor 2 years ago, I got into the warranty renewal program in the event of a repair during the warranty period.
    So after the repair I got a 2-year warranty. When the compressor failed after a year, it was replaced and I got another 2-year warranty on it.
    Yesterday they replaced my compressor for the second time and I got another 2 year warranty.

    And now a hit.
    The new rules have been in effect for about a year.
    Anyone who will repair the air conditioning compressor (or other device) at an authorized Volvo service for a fee,
    will receive it lifetime warranty for this item!!!

    Regards
    GREGOR
  • #49 20186618
    krajcer1
    Level 1  
    Hello, I also had a winding burnt. Do you know where in Warsaw I can find a person who will rewind this engine? Because I've been looking for a while and no one wants to help.
  • #50 21693067
    arerojro
    Level 1  
    Witam wszystkich. Przede wszystkim przepraszam za niepoprawne użycie języka; korzystam z tłumacza.

    Oto kolejny Volvo V60 PHEV z tym samym problemem ze sprężarką klimatyzacji.

    Kiedy wystąpiła awaria klimatyzacji, zostawiłem Volvo całkowicie na biegu jałowym i uruchomiłem je tylko na krótkie testy, przejeżdżając 5 kilometrów, a następnie 6 kilometrów z powodu innej usterki.

    Sprawdziłem, że wentylator włącza się podczas próby ładowania samochodu, więc zakładam, że sprężarka nadal działa, aby schłodzić akumulator.

    Czy uważacie, że w tym przypadku sprężarkę można uratować, wykonując głębokie płukanie azotem i odkurzanie oraz czyszcząc sprężarkę po jej rozmontowaniu?

    Czy ktoś próbował izolować uzwojenia izolacją elektryczną w sprayu?

    Czy wiecie, czy można wymienić same uzwojenia, aby poprawić rezultaty, jeśli elektronika nie jest uszkodzona?

    Dzięki wszystkim.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Hello everyone. First of all, I apologize for the poor use of the language; I'm using a translator.

    Here's another Volvo V60 PHEV with the same problem with the air conditioning compressor.

    When the air conditioning system malfunction occurred, I left the Volvo completely idle and only started it for short tests, driving 5 kilometers and then 6 kilometers for a different fault.

    I've verified that the fan turns on when I tried to charge the car, so I assume the compressor is still working to cool the battery.

    Do you think in this case the compressor can be saved by doing deep nitrogen flushes and vacuums and cleaning the compressor after disassembling it?

    Has anyone tried applying electrical insulation spray to the windings?

    Do you know if you can replace the windings alone to improve the results if the electronics are not faulty?

    Thanks everyone.
  • #51 21696337
    YuriSha
    Level 1  
    It is not necessary to use Sanden SP-A2 oil.
    There are analogues.
    SANDEN SP-A2 - analog: PAG 46YF - Compatible with refrigerant: HFO1234YF
    SANDEN PAG 46 - Compatible with refrigerant: HFC134A --- It costs less.
    Volvo B60 systems use refrigerant: HFC134a. Therefore, any PAG 46 standard lubricant is suitable.
    -------------------------------------
    First of all, I apologize for the poor use of the language; I'm using a translator.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    >>21693067 Flushing the system will not help. The problem, as users write here, is not mechanical!!! There should be no shavings in the system - nothing to flush.
    The problem is with the motor winding being punctured - flushing will not affect it at all.

    Added after 13 [minutes]:

    I am currently repairing the air conditioner on a Volvo V60 PHEV. I have already drained the system once, removed the compressor and disassembled it - I saw that the high voltage input (marked on the board as HVIN-) has a bad solder. I soldered it and thought that the problem with the B102D92 error was solved. But no! The air conditioner blew cold for about 2 minutes and then warm again. And i saw error B102D92 again.

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  • #52 21696742
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Cold solder it is, but on the plus side

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around communication and troubleshooting of SANDEN electric compressors, specifically models 33H4166 and 33L4156, used in hybrid vehicles like the Volvo V60 and Mercedes W213. Users seek methods to clear error codes related to excessive current consumption after repairs to the inverter/motor. Various solutions are proposed, including using VIDA software to reset the ACCM module and the need for EEPROM access for deeper diagnostics. It is noted that the compressors have different CAN communication IDs, making them non-interchangeable. Users share experiences with compressor failures, repairs, and the importance of software updates to prevent recurring issues. Recommendations for compressor regeneration services and the significance of proper voltage and current specifications are also discussed.
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