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[Solved] Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips

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  • #1 18789943
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips

    The question is how the induction loop is arranged, is it possible to reduce the length of the cable without creating a loop and is it only right to run the cables in parallel, adding a dozen or so meters of cable?
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  • #2 18790025
    Kwazor
    Level 32  
    Drive from the top right left
    Go down (2m cable) and drive right .. (shortest route)
    Why combinations like yours?
  • #3 18790041
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    In order not to create the so-called the induction loop that I mentioned need to run the other pole in parallel, so there is an additional 15m of cable.
  • #4 18791375
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    It's ok only the rightmost + with the second bottom _ on the right connect. The beginning of the pit change (rotate). If you have meter-long cell cables, you only use them. You only pull 2 wires to the inverter. You avoid pressing the connectors except for 2 pcs to the inverter.
  • #5 18793596
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    And how is the field of the induction loop distributed in the diagram above.
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  • #6 18794954
    Marek006
    Level 14  
    You have to lead the wires in parallel and add a cable.
    Simple and effective.

    Theoretically, it is still possible to "unscrew" the loop.
    For example, transformer coils should be arranged in one direction, usually clockwise, but it can also be done counterclockwise.
    If, on the other hand, we arrange half of the coils clockwise and the other half counterclockwise (you can make a mistake by manually winding the second layer of coils), the winding will lose its inductance and will behave similarly to a straight wire.

    Of course, this type of fun with PV does not make sense and the cable is so cheap that its costs in small installations are negligible.
    It should be noted that by arranging the cables in parallel, we can easily and effectively achieve this effect in a natural way, by extending the cable but not combining it.
  • #7 18802791
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    The question was how the induction loop is arranged in this scheme.
  • #8 18803229
    Darom
    Electrician specialist
    Waldemar-VUK wrote:
    the question was how the induction loop is arranged in this scheme

    The diagram shows the connection topology of the individual panels. There is no specific information here on how the cable is routed, so it is difficult to determine how the "induction loop" is arranged. The principle that the return line should follow the line of the supply line.

    Kisses
    - GIFT-
  • #9 18803506
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    Everything is in this drawing - the panels are connected in one circuit.
  • #10 18805508
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    Nobody can visualize the loop?
  • #11 18805828
    TIGIS
    Level 16  
    Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips
    And isn't it better to route the cables like in the picture above?

    The induction loop on your project will look something like this:
    Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips

    The entire field shaded in blue is a loop.
    Sorry for not very skillful drawings.
    greetings
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  • #12 18807571
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    maybe the wires that I am going to lead will be in one line, so next to each other and the second thing I will improve with the first two panels to eliminate this zone Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips
  • #13 18807637
    Marek006
    Level 14  
    Waldemar-VUK wrote:
    maybe the wires that I am going to lead will be in one line, so next to each other and the second thing I will improve with the first two panels to eliminate this zone Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips

    Now I understand.
    However, this is a bad idea in my opinion. You will have to crimp quite a few connectors on the cables.
    Each such crease is a potential additional problem with possible heating of the joint, etc.
    If you pull the "return" cable in parallel, you will only have 2 folds in the connectors on the roof.
    In my opinion, it makes no sense to combine to save a few meters of cable.
    However, if you want to insist on kneading, you can as well solder these folds, which will ensure less heating on the connectors.
    Practice shows that heating badly crimped or incompatible fittings is one of the most frequent causes of installation problems, including fire.

    There is another thing:
    Even though your diagram is formally correct, the connection method is unnecessarily complicated.
    By creating such structures and combining them in unfavorable conditions on the roof, you can make a mistake and destroy the elements. The chance for such a mistake increases quickly if after some time it was necessary to remove something and connect it again.
    The beauty of engineering is to make structures * simple * and reliable.
    Unnecessary complications only make life difficult and are not a good sign of the Designer.
    I have seen handles for a toilet seat consisting of about 20 parts or 12 bearing fishing reels, but in my opinion such ideas are the worst evidence of anyone who designed such a thing.
    In addition, they break down quickly.
  • #14 18807646
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    so you can connect without return wire :) the assumption was to eliminate the return cable and not create a loop, but it is faster only with more cable
  • #15 18807693
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #16 18807806
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    Like my colleague Waldemar, I have no additional connector. Panels with 1 meter cables are sufficient. Only panels alternating at 180 degrees. every second . Then it's ok.
  • #17 18807825
    wello
    Level 20  
    But alpine combinations :D
    And you can, for example, like this:
    Connecting Photovoltaic Panels: Induction Loop, Cable Length & Parallel Wiring Tips
  • #18 18807860
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #19 18807901
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    I have a half-cut 33pcs. in 3 rows of 11, all connected only panel-panel. Panels flat on the roof. The only personally pressed connectors are these 4 cores coming from 2 strings from panels to the inverter.
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  • #20 18807911
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #21 18809424
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    Gentlemen, since there is the only right way to connect - with + and a panel next to the panel, it would be enough for a dozen cm of cable with a connector and, apart from the rest of the facts, why is there over a meter of cable there?
    The second thing, is it possible to turn the panels so that the poles are not - + and e.g. + +, there is nowhere marked on the panels where the top or information should be, is it possible to arrange the panel with the longer side?
    Maybe I'm picking on but it's probably worth asking if there is who :)
  • #22 18809584
    wello
    Level 20  
    Everything is in the assembly instructions. I have Longi and I have quite extensive instructions, where, among others, there are several connection variants depending on the mechanical installation.
  • #23 18809753
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #24 18809822
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    A colleague boast of this assembly instruction

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    The panels have central wires on the sides directed to the outside of the sides, so by 180 degrees the poles change, the rest remain unchanged
  • #25 18809829
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #26 18810220
    Edek45
    Level 30  
    Gentlemen, do you give a conduit for the cables between the panels, can you, 6mm? solar cables without a conduit?
    Roof mounting.
    Because if you need a conduit, it's probably a larger diameter conduit so that the connectors pass.
  • #27 18810227
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #28 18810496
    Waldemar-VUK
    Level 10  
    And the assembly instructions for wello are said to have one

    Added after 16 [minutes]:

    Edek45 wrote:
    Gentlemen, do you give a conduit for the cables between the panels, can you, 6mm? solar cables without a conduit?
    Roof mounting.
    Because if you need a conduit, it's probably a larger diameter conduit so that the connectors pass.


    The cables are designed to be resistant to weather conditions.
  • #30 18833746
    temptension
    Level 10  
    Gentlemen, please comment on the induction loop. Is it necessary to lead the "red" return wire to the extreme 3 modules (left side) from the second 6-module row or is it enough as shown in the picture ?! If you have better ideas, please let me know.
    greetings

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the optimal connection of photovoltaic panels, focusing on the arrangement of induction loops, cable lengths, and wiring methods. Participants emphasize the importance of running cables in parallel to avoid creating induction loops, suggesting that additional cable length is acceptable for effective installation. Various connection topologies are debated, with recommendations to minimize connectors to reduce potential heating issues. The necessity of following manufacturer instructions for panel connections is highlighted, particularly for brands like Longi and QCells. Concerns about the arrangement of panels and the implications of reversing polarity are also addressed, with suggestions for maintaining efficient wiring practices to ensure long-term performance.
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