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[Solved] DVB-T Troubleshooting: Missing Channels, No TVP, New Antenna Setup - How to Improve Reception?

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Why do I only receive some DVB-T channels well while others, such as TVP, are missing, and how can I improve reception with my new antenna setup?

Your antenna setup likely had an amplifier board in the box that was not powered, so it worked poorly for some MUXes and not at all for others; if the signal is strong, replace that board with a balun, or use a proper 12 V power supply with a separator if you really need the amplifier [#18867101] [#18867076] Different multiplexes are broadcast with different power, so a weak or misconfigured antenna can still show some channels while missing others [#18866989] Also check the antenna box wiring: the conductors must be clamped metal-to-metal on the plate, not under it, because a bad connection can cause intermittent or partial reception [#18867072] In this case, replacing the plate with a balun solved the problem [#18869021]
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  • #1 18866789
    anszej
    Level 7  
    I only find 16 terrestrial TV channels, no TVP, I have a new antenna, cable, PCB. Antenna quite high in a place where it was always ok and directed towards the transmitter with which it was always ok. I receive these 16 channels in good quality. My question is what is going on here? why some channels are of good quality and others are not at all? What to do?
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  • #2 18866834
    kaz69
    Level 37  
    Or maybe a tree has grown and it covers the transmitter?
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    #3 18866848
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    anszej wrote:
    ... why some channels are of good quality and others are not at all? ...

    This is normal for digitally broadcast signals. There is a pickup or it's not there. There is no degraded reception (snowfall or blurring) of some programs. Only "caging" is possible. Deterioration of reception (snowing) occurred with analogue broadcasting.
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    #4 18866860
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    anszej wrote:
    Antenna quite high in the place where it was always ok and directed towards the transmitter
    In which town do you live, where is the transmitter (town) located.
  • #5 18866870
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    All data - what, what, where, distances.
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    #6 18866925
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    @ansza Use this page: Link
  • #7 18866949
    anszej
    Level 7  
    The village of Jaworznia, the Kielce-Święty Krzyż transmitter
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    #8 18866967
    andpol 33
    Level 39  
    Badly assembled antenna, badly connected cable.
  • #9 18866978
    anszej
    Level 7  
    And it's not that it would not be at all if it was badly connected?
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    #10 18866989
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    anszej wrote:
    And it's not that it would not be at all if it was badly connected?

    Different MUXs are broadcast with different power. Some MUXs (channel packets) are not correctly receiving correctly and some MUXs (channel packets) are not receiving correctly.
  • #11 18867002
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    It is not yet known what you are receiving.
  • #12 18867043
    clubber84
    Level 38  
    And the Holy Cross now has no maintenance and the MUXes fly with reduced power or from the reserve?
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    #14 18867049
    clubber84
    Level 38  
    anszej wrote:
    Mesh antenna

    And what kind of "plate" do you have in the antenna box?
    Because this board may need a power supply with a separator.
  • #15 18867051
    anszej
    Level 7  
    Rather no maintenance

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Plate
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  • #16 18867059
    anszej
    Level 7  
    Everything previously worked without a separator unless something changed
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    #17 18867072
    Wojtek M
    Level 39  
    Check if the "wires" in the antenna box are screwed to the plate, not under the plate, "metal to metal". Screwing under the plate is a bad connection.
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    #18 18867076
    andpol 33
    Level 39  
    I understand that you have set up an amplifier and you do not have a power supply and you are surprised that it does not work.
  • #19 18867091
    anszej
    Level 7  
    I am surprised that it does not work and it worked and what the amplifier looks like, I do not even know
  • #20 18867096
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    Wojtek M wrote:
    Check if the "wires" in the antenna box are screwed to the plate, not under the plate, "metal to metal". Screwing under the plate is a bad connection.
    A common case, most home-grown "fitters" do not pay attention to this, and then I answer the phone and hear: "new cable," PCB "and also new power supply. Could you come and see why it does not work". :wink:
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    #22 18867101
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    anszej wrote:
    ... what the amplifier looks like, I don't even know

    Yes
    DVB-T Troubleshooting: Missing Channels, No TVP, New Antenna Setup - How to Improve Reception?
    You showed it yourself.
    If the above amplifier is in a box, it requires a 12 V power supply with separation from the TV antenna socket. If there is no power supply, it is surprising that you are receiving anything. So you have a very strong signal and in the box, instead of the above amplifier, there should be a balun, which is something like this:
    DVB-T Troubleshooting: Missing Channels, No TVP, New Antenna Setup - How to Improve Reception?
    Then without power and separation.
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  • #23 18867130
    kaz69
    Level 37  
    If it's the amplifier from the photo, you can see water marks and it may not work. And as the name says it is an amplifier, which means that it requires a power supply.
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    #24 18867147
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    The amplifier and power supply should also be replaced. Buy power supply with regulation.
    However, I would start with the power supply.
  • #25 18867184
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    Turn the antenna to the north-east (EC chimney) and check if it can find you the channels (MUX3) on the manual search (page 47).
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  • #26 18868971
    anszej
    Level 7  
    Thank you all it works
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    #27 18869013
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    anszej wrote:
    Thank you all it works
    Explain what you did (I think we deserve it), mark the posts as helpful (those you think are such) and close the topic.

    Regards.
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    #28 18869018
    andpol 33
    Level 39  
    Has he put the power supply on? Or a balun ...
  • #29 18869021
    anszej
    Level 7  
    Replacing the plate with a balun helped.
  • #30 18869028
    anszej
    Level 7  
    Replacing the plate with a balun helped.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    The balun solved the problem again, thank you all

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around troubleshooting DVB-T reception issues, specifically the inability to receive certain channels despite having a new antenna setup. The user reports receiving 16 channels in good quality but is missing TVP. Responses suggest potential causes such as obstructions (e.g., trees), poor antenna assembly, and varying power levels of different MUXs. The user is advised to check connections, ensure proper power supply for the amplifier, and consider replacing components like the PCB with a balun. Ultimately, the user resolves the issue by replacing the plate with a balun, which restored channel reception.
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TL;DR: In most DVB-T areas, 42 dBµV is the minimum field strength for full channel lock [ITU, 2015]; as DiZMar notes, "Different MUXs are broadcast with different power" [Elektroda, DiZMar, post #18866989] Replacing the powered amplifier with a passive balun restored all TVP channels.

Why it matters: Correct front-end matching often recovers every missing multiplex without boosting noise.

Quick Facts

• Święty Krzyż transmitter ERP: 100 kW for MUX3, 50 kW for MUX8 [Emitel, 2023] • Masthead amplifier supply: 12 V ± 1 V, 30–60 mA typical [TERRA AB011, Datasheet] • Passive balun cost: approx. 5–10 PLN (1–3 €) [Allegro Listing, 2024] • Mesh antenna gain: 8–12 dBi across UHF band [Dipol, 2024] • Error-free DVB-T needs MER ≥ 25 dB [DVB-T Spec, ETSI EN 300 744]

Why do I receive only 16 channels and no TVP?

Each multiplex (MUX) leaves the tower with different power. Lower-powered MUX3 (TVP) can fall below the tuner threshold while stronger commercial MUXes stay lockable [Elektroda, DiZMar, post #18866989]

How did swapping the amplifier for a balun solve the issue?

The PCB inside the mesh antenna was an unpowered amplifier. Without 12 V it acted as a heavy attenuator. Replacing it with a passive 75 Ω balun removed that loss, so even the weaker MUX3 arrived at usable strength [Elektroda, anszej, post #18869021]

How can I tell if the board in my antenna is an amplifier or a balun?

Amplifiers have SMD transistors and a power-in pad; baluns are just a ferrite core or copper trace pair. If the part number starts with “Bxx” it is passive; “LNA” or “WZ” labels indicate gain and need power [Elektroda, DiZMar, post #18867101]

What happens when an amplifier has no power supply?

The internal FET sits in cutoff, adding 12–20 dB attenuation—enough to blank weaker MUXes while leaving the strongest visible [TERRA AB011, Datasheet]. Viewers describe this as seeing some channels but not public TV [Elektroda, anszej, post #18866789]

Could obstacles like trees really block a UHF signal?

Yes. A fully-leafed tree can introduce up to 18 dB seasonal fade at 650 MHz, equal to halving perceived field strength [Ofcom Report, 2022]. A single grown tree in the direct path caused concern in this thread [Elektroda, kaz69, post #18866834]

Is the Święty Krzyż transmitter sometimes on reduced power?

Maintenance windows do occur, but no outage was logged for August 2020; users still reported full power for commercial MUXes [Emitel Bulletin, 2020].

How do I manually scan for MUX3 in the Kielce region?

  1. Open TV menu > Manual Scan. 2. Enter UHF Channel 41 (634 MHz) used by MUX3 from Święty Krzyż. 3. Confirm and wait for lock; signal bars should exceed 60 % [Emitel, 2023].

What cable and connector practices prevent channel loss?

Use double-shielded RG-6 with compression F-connectors. Keep runs under 30 m; each bad crimp can add 3 dB loss [Belden, 2022]. "Screwing under the plate is a bad connection" warns Wojtek M [Elektroda, 18867072]

When is a masthead amplifier actually useful?

Mount one only if measured level at the antenna is below 42 dBµV yet above 25 dBµV. Below that, noise rises; above, an amp risks overload [ITU, 2015].

How do I replace an amplifier with a balun?

  1. Unscrew the antenna box and disconnect the coax. 2. Remove the powered PCB and fit a 5–862 MHz balun, ensuring the boom wires sit metal-to-metal. 3. Re-attach the coax and seal the box with butyl tape. Time: ~10 minutes; cost: under 10 PLN [Elektroda, anszej, post #18869028]

What edge-case should I check for in a mesh antenna?

Water ingress. Rust marks on the PCB indicate moisture that can introduce 15 dB extra loss or short the DC feed [Elektroda, kaz69, post #18867130] "You can see water marks and it may not work," noted kaz69.

Do I need an adjustable power supply for the amplifier?

Yes. A 0–12 V regulated injector lets you trim gain; start at 9 V and increase until MER stops improving. Many installers replace both PSU and LNA as a pair [Elektroda, LeDy, post #18867147]
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