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Switching from ADSL to Toya fiber - choosing a Huawei router for a network with multiple devices

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  • #1 19515043
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    I am currently using ADSL internet, which theoretically has a bandwidth of 20 Mb, but in reality it is about 15 (+/-2)
    There is an opportunity to switch to optical fiber from Toya. This is where the problem arises.
    After the initial conversation with the salesperson, he informed me that I would receive Huawei equipment with 4 LAN ports, 3 for TV, 1 for the Internet and WiFi 2.4/5, supposedly for 32 users. He didn`t want to provide anything specific (model, etc.) and it`s possible that we don`t know yet what I`ll get.
    I know that this equipment is not enough for my network. I have 2 APs connected via LAN in neighboring buildings + a WiFi repeater on my first floor (I know it cuts the 50/50 bandwidth, but with this connection it didn`t matter) and the main router.
    In the neighboring buildings there are 1 computer, 1 TV and 1-2 mobile phones (phones, tablets). In the main building there are 3 TVs, 3 computers and 4-6 mobile phones (including a printer, scanner via WiFi, but can also be via LAN) and a C+ tuner.
    This is a single-family house and neighboring networks are visible, but different in different parts of the house and basically at the edge of the range.
    I currently have an Asus N14u, which I would like to replace with more powerful hardware (processor and RAM) because the network has expanded significantly since its purchase. Moreover, I cannot use a faster net speed than 100 Mb because the router`s LAN will be cut off.
    I can spend up to PLN 500, but I would prefer less.
    What would dear forum members suggest in such a situation? What to ask Toya? just a modem without their router? For now, I won`t buy TV from them, I have a fixed-term contract with another provider.
    Do I plan to take 300 Mb straight away and change the equipment? I`m waiting for your suggestions.
    Alternatively, take 100 Mb and see what happens and then change the equipment to another one and increase the speed to 200-300 Mb.
    I will try to answer your questions as best I can.
    Please give me any suggestions. I`m supposed to be joining in August-September, so there`s time to think about it.
    Regards
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  • #2 19515093
    IC_Current
    Network and Internet specialist
    You don`t need any router. One network means one router with NAT. The operator`s device must stay, it`s not like with DSL that you could replace it. If you install an additional router, there will be problems with the operation of some network services (e.g. you will not be able to play PlayStation comfortably, VoIP or VPN may not work, etc.). You can only think about your router if the operator only provides you with an ONT terminal.
    kitachi wrote:
    This is a single-family house and neighboring networks are visible, but different in different parts of the house and basically at the edge of the range.

    If you want to improve the range, you run a cable to the point and connect an additional access point there.
    The issue of different SSID names and network fragmentation is also easy to solve. You simply connect additional "routers" via the LAN port to the main device, assign appropriate IP addresses, disable DHCP and configure identical SSID and security (WPA2-AES-PSK).
    You can also invest in a unified access point system with central management and fast roaming. Here you can recommend the Unifi U6, or the cheap TP-Link Deco M4 solution (but not MESH, only a wired connection to the network).
    As for the connection speed: if you do not invest in expanding the internal network with new access points in places with poor coverage (and it is best to connect computers and other stationary devices directly to the switch with a cable), there is no point in taking anything above 100Mbps because you will not use the capacity of the connection anyway .
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #3 19515101
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #4 19515118
    IC_Current
    Network and Internet specialist
    Erbit wrote:
    because from the customer service panel level, the user can order a public address (for free), indicate the mac address to which the public IP is to be assigned and the matter is resolved within 24 hours

    Well, if it`s like my friend Erbit writes, then you have to decide whether you are tidying up the network at home and creating a whole tidy structure, or are you just looking for something "as long as there is access to the Internet".
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #5 19515122
    Anonymous
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  • #6 19515192
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    @kitachi
    Erbit wrote:
    Obviously, my friend, a revolution is coming anyway.

    And many new problems, previously unknown.
  • #7 19515238
    Anonymous
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  • #8 19515322
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    Well, I am aware of the coming revolution. Basically, I was waiting for an impulse that would force me to tidy up.
    The repeater is a real prosthesis, but since mobile users complained, computers have very good USB cards and there synchro is over 70 Mb, so it was more than enough for me.
    I was thinking of using N14U as a router (it has WAN via LAN apart from the ADSL modem). If I buy something better, I will put it on the AP. The repeater itself, when connected with a cable, will also become an AP. Assuming that in Toya equipment you can turn off the NAT radio and DHCP and turn it into a modem.
    I want to learn as much as possible and prepare because this salesman didn`t know much about techniques.
    Generally, I want to connect all APs via LAN because it is the most reliable. The question is how to connect my part of the network with the Toya equipment so that it runs conflict-free.
    I will read the texts sent.
    Regards
  • #9 19515341
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #10 19516024
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    Erbit wrote:
    I think they are known - only swept under the carpet, for example by the reapeter.

    I was more interested in connecting a larger number of devices to a given LAN port in the operator`s GPON.
  • #11 19516544
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    Would such equipment be ok ASUS RT-AX55 (1.5GHz quad-core processor, 128 MB Flash 256 MB RAM) Another model at a similar price?
    I don`t care about WiFi 6, it`s probably too early in its development to take it too seriously.
    I already have a preliminary plan on how to connect this repeater to the cable. I will take care of it all from my side (I hope it will work or optimally, but I have certain priorities :D ).
    The question is how I will manage to communicate with the Toya infrastructure.
    Now I`m collecting money and preparing cables.
    Life will show the rest, as always.
    Regards
  • #13 19516618
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #14 19517681
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    What can I say, it`s fun for either the Hex S professional or at least the enthusiast. I suppose the configuration would be too much for me, and cables everywhere are not appropriate at this stage of using the house. I don`t have technical shafts to run cables wherever needed. Even though it would be best.
    You have to make compromises. What is important to me is my building and, in fact, its ground floor. Mobile on my floor and AP in the neighboring buildings: they have internet ok, they don`t have it, well...
    Besides, the net will be 100 or 300 max and I don`t know for how long. There is a good chance that, as the network has grown in recent years, it will soon shrink to one building with 1 PC, 1 TV and 2 - 3 mobile phones on the ground floor. The rest will move on with their lives.
    I need such good equipment for the people :)
    Regards
  • #15 19517883
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #16 19517988
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    In fact, when they introduce optical fiber, it will probably stay that way. Unfortunately, I don`t have a good "storage room" for brushes.
    However, you certainly gave me a lot to think about. I need to talk to the internet guy about my options because he will probably want to push himself next to the main TV to easily connect the TV signal. However, it will not be an optimal place for the Internet. Although I can easily connect the LAN to the current router under the strips and it will remain as it is.
    If I connect this HEX S, I will take care of the AP, but they still have WANs of 100 Mb, apart from the repeater, this one is 1 Gb and AC 1200. The network evolved over time, as needed, everything I could get my hands on, as long as it worked. Typical makeshift. Besides, almost everything works with this connection :(
    However, I will carefully consider the optimal location of the fiber optic input.

    A little diversion from my topic. I read a bit here and my friend is keen on a 0.5-1 Gb connection. This equipment from Toya will give him 1 Gb at the output?
    Regards
  • #17 19518018
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    kitachi wrote:
    This equipment from Toya will give him 1 Gb at the output?

    The operator would have shot himself in the head, not in the foot, if he had given equipment that did not meet the conditions.
    And if the equipment is weaker or older, the operator will replace it with an appropriate one.
    Of course, the transfer is guaranteed only by cable and under the assumption that the customer`s equipment will also support it.
  • #18 19519001
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    The operator would have shot himself in the head, not in the foot, if he had given equipment that did not meet the conditions.

    Totally right, my mistake.
    Erbit wrote:
    Hex S (RB760iGS) does not have "fancy antennas"

    Well, maybe I`m not so interested in the appearance and the number of antennas, but the lack of WiFi complicates the matter a bit. If I use a Toya radio on the ground floor, I put the rest on my router and there will be separate networks. Alternatively, HEX and an additional AP on the ground floor so that everything runs through one network and all devices can see each other.
    Maybe since this equipment from Toya is so OK, we should use a switch instead of a router? The radio from Toya will cover the ground floor, the rest of the AP via LAN via a switch. Everything is on the operator`s equipment.
    Does it make any sense and of course will this equipment be able to handle it? On average, I have 10-12 clients connected to the router.
    Counting everything and everywhere, at the moment it`s 5 smart TVs, 5 PCs, xbox, 2 x C+ decoder, printer/scanner and mobile phone - about 8 pcs. Of course, it`s unlikely that everything will fit together, it`s rather unlikely max.
    Additionally
    Erbit wrote:
    Configuring the Hex S is not the easiest
    If an expert says so, it won`t be possible for me to do it.
    One thing I will definitely take into account is the optimization of the cable layout and the arrangement of individual network devices.
    Regards
  • #19 19519008
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #20 19519023
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    What about this switch? Does it make any sense or is it not worth even thinking about it?
    Actually, I have another old router, if disabling NAT and DHCP and connecting it via LAN will turn it into an AP (there is no built-in AP, bridge, etc. option), I could use it for a start. Alternatively, there is OpenWRT for it and there is an AP option.
    Will it work?
    Regards
  • #21 19519093
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    @kitachi
    I don`t remember exactly now whether it was Toya, MM, or another Vectra - but I remember that this operator wanted additional monthly money for wifi, and the joke is that without this purchased wifi, you won`t connect to the operator`s equipment, it seems more than just 2 devices.
    Find out exactly how they treat a given technology, what they treat you with, what you will use the Internet, and what will happen next.
  • #22 19519371
    kitachi
    Level 10  
    Hello
    I really need to find out what I can do and how.
    Now the better news is that the end of the holidays is an extremely optimistic version of joining, heaven knows when.
    I`m whining here, I`m as horny as a bald man with a comb, and here`s some info.
    Nothing "God favors the prepared", but I will be super prepared :D
    Regards
  • #23 19519378
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    @kitachi
    These are additional questions for the operator:
    :arrow: do you even have full access to the optical terminal for configuration?
    :arrow: Does this equipment even have a bridge mode?
    :arrow: Do you have a public IP available there at all?
    Your further journey with your next piece of equipment depends on these answers.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around transitioning from ADSL to Toya fiber internet and the challenges of selecting an appropriate Huawei router for a network with multiple devices. The user currently experiences limited bandwidth with ADSL and is concerned about the adequacy of the provided Huawei equipment, which includes 4 LAN ports and WiFi capabilities for up to 32 users. Participants suggest that the operator's device must remain in place, and additional routers may cause network issues unless configured correctly. Recommendations include using a switch to connect multiple devices and considering access points (APs) for better coverage. The user contemplates using an ASUS RT-AX55 router and discusses the potential of utilizing an old router as an AP. Key considerations include ensuring compatibility with Toya's infrastructure and managing network traffic effectively.
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