[Solved] Home LAN Setup: Toya Cable Internet, Network Cables, TL-R860 Router and Switches

Hello,

I am at the stage of laying electricity and network cables in a newly built house. In the future, I will have the Internet provided by cable by Toya and I would like to advise you on connecting network devices.

According to the drawing, Toya will be connected to the garage. An electrician will pull a single network cable from there to the attic to then split the link into all network sockets in the house. This is where my trick begins.

I will have more than 4 network sockets at home and from what I understand it is possible to use a combination of 4xLAN + switch router or possibly an 8xLAN router. There is a problem with the latter option because such routers are very expensive. The only cheap used that I found is TL-R860 but it probably is already old and from what I read in practice it offers only max 50Mbit per lan, not 100 ( Link ) although it does not seem to be a big problem to me because I do not have such requirements (now I have a 30Mbit connection and it is enough). So I am thinking about a newer 4xLAN router and a switch (what?).

The drawing shows how I planned it more or less, but the question is whether I have overdone it. I want a separate wireless router on each floor, because one for the whole house cannot be used (I have and tested TL-WR842N). There would be one TV set on the ground floor next to it, so I could connect it from this router on the ground floor. The second TV will be behind the wall so he would get the network directly from the wired router in the attic.

In the attic, the wireless router will be located in a different part of the house from the PC, PS3, projector and NAS.

What I want all devices to see each other in the network, especially that the NAS server (or anything else for file exchange) behind the switch is visible to everyone (including those before the switch). Will I have problems for the network drawn in such a way to work properly? Should I be on something special?

At the moment I have the mentioned TL-WR842N and the second TL-WR741ND, I miss the attic and possibly a switch.

Thanks in advance for all the advice.

I would do it like in the picture, except that instead of connecting to the router and switch, I would put one multi-port switch and a separate cable from it to each device. Then you will avoid bottlenecks. So ISP router-> Switch-> each device with a separate cable. Of course, the 1GB switch. 8 ports will have 1 port too little and the lower tv can be done through the lower router, unless you do specifically and put up a 16 port and spread these cables around the rooms with free ports.

from a central place, e.g. a garage or an attic, lead the cables to each TV, us, PC, etc., and additionally, for example, on the ceiling in the room or corridor for accespoins
do not forget about the concentrate under each TV set.
What cable does TOYA provide the internet with? Will their device be in the garage or in the attic?

mahoney92 wrote:

instead of connecting to the router and switch, I would put one multi-port switch

But if the switch is right behind the Toya modem, then all devices will see each other in the LAN? From what I remember, when I called their helplines, they told me no and if I want them to see each other, there must be a router

LucekB wrote:

What cable does TOYA provide the internet with? Will their device be in the garage or in the attic?

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In total, in the current apartment, where I am now, they left me their modem, to which I have my own router connected via rj45, so I'm guessing that it will be the same in the new house.

All devices connected to the switch will see each other, they only need to be in the same pool of ip addresses and to the same gateway, dhcp will suffice and it will assign addresses by itself. One more question, what modem do they give?

wiring is an investment with a perspective of 15-30 years, electronic devices 10 times less.
Try to think about the surplus and quality of cables (including assembly - can you provide more than a makeshift?), In 3 ... a few years there will be end devices that you do not expect today.

There is to be a router behind the toyi modem, and a switch behind it. Everything is ok in this picture.

I will be at home in the evening and I will make a drawing as I would see it. It will be the easiest

makosuu wrote:

There is to be a router behind the Toyota modem, and a switch behind it.

The author took this into account?

As they write, behind the switch router but 1 Gb (even if the net will be slower, then we will not limit the internal LAN).
If you do not need a managed switch - then I recommend Netgear GS116 (why with 16 ports - if one fails, only the RJ45 cable is replaced and the network works and there is no need to buy a new switch).
But if there are less "points" than 8 then buy the Netgear GS108 (same as GS116 only has 8 RJ45 ports, not 16).

Here you have how to install and save a few pennies on sockets:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3477157.html

What is not there:
Leave the pipe from the garage to the attic - Toya will draw its cord directly into the central patch panel without "bundling" and creating potential points of failure in the future.
On the first and second floor, leave the wires under the ceiling - if necessary, connect the AP (e.g. unify).
Remember about the wires from the crossover cabinet to the alarm control panel, furnace controller, doorphone (eg notifications from doorphone to a mobile phone), uniphones etc. All UTP cables (even for doorphone), because in the future you can easily "upgrade" the installation without replacing the wires.
In such a network, you can install any routers and switches as needed in the future.

IC_Current wrote:

Toya will pull its cable directly into the central patch cabinet without "splitting"

The Toya modem runs on a coaxial cable that supplies the internet to the modem.

I also have a question about double network sockets. Is it enough to pull a single cable for them or do you need two? My electrician suggests to me that one is enough and I understood that the socket functions as a switch, but it is difficult for me to find such sockets and I do not know whether to insist on a double cable.

I generally want to connect a TV and a wireless router in one place. The latter will be turned on from time to time and I would like the TV to have constant access. The question is whether they will also work together without any problems. At the other end of the cable or cables from where the net will go, there will be a wired router (the one in the attic as shown in the previous drawing).

adrianopel wrote:

Is it enough to pull a single cable for them or do you need two?

Two!

adrianopel wrote:

My electrician suggests to me that one is enough

Electrician! 230 V can connect like that, but not ethernet.

adrianopel wrote:

the socket acts as a switch

It is not possible.

adrianopel wrote:

Generally, I want to connect the TV and router in one place

You may need two cables for your TV. One is a TV signal (probably a hub - it depends on how the provider provides the TV signal), and the other is a twisted pair if the TV is "Smart".
And this router you mean wireless? As in the picture?

many electricians tell nonsense and install nonsense in the field of computer networks. I have already seen the cost estimate for the bank that the electrician gave 187 meters ONLY. He just jumped with one wire from socket to socket, like in electricity. Some wise ordering party, under the influence of a conversation with me, repeated the request for the offer. (it came out> 1500m)
Someone like this proves that he has no idea.

Two cables.
A meter of cable on the wholesale market does not exceed PLN 1. What is the purported saving? PLN 150 (except that it is not there). The first switch with power supply costs more and is a makeshift


Grandfather-amateur networks are created or saved in the philosophy of "and you can plug in a switch". First of all, Swich is electronics that can break down. May lose power. Slowdown (maybe not much, but always). The plug may not touch during cleaning. The fastening of indirect switches prevents the network from being universal (copper telephone, air-conditioning controller, etc.)
With copper, use a pair of cables to lead to all the places I imagine today, and places that I cannot imagine. Somewhere where people work with computers, two times more than people at once.

Each one socket must be a separate wire. There is also UTP for the phone and also eight-pin keystones as for a computer network. What is this old-fashioned electrician ??
Devices active only in the rack and you will be able to do and install whatever you like in the future. Now, if you put a router with AP and switches on the TV, it will have to be there forever.
In the living room, of course, there are also two coaxial cables for the TV-R-SAT1-SAT2 socket, then in the future you can watch and record programs from different multiplexes simultaneously on the satellite set-top box. UTP cables in the living room of at least 4: TV, Set-top box, Console, Receiver, etc.

adrianopel wrote:

Is it enough to pull a single cable for them or do you need two? My electrician suggests to me that one is enough

It is true, one cable would be enough to work, but ...
You could call it makeshift and get lynched in this forum

adrianopel wrote:

I also have a question about double network sockets. Is it enough to pull a single cable for them or do you need two?

Two cables. One device always on one cable (of course it can be a switch).

Arr0w wrote:

You could call it makeshift

Or even tinkering. If new cables are pulled, it must be done properly. Even if one cable is already bricked up and there is no way to add another, you can always "unfasten" it with swichami and not physically unpair pairs, as some advise here. Because we will get to absurdity when someone puts one category 6 cable and splits these pairs into two "cables" with a capacity of 100 Mbps, because more will not go on two pairs.

Arr0w wrote:

True, one cable would suffice to function, but

What will you do when that one and only wire is physically damaged?

Arr0w wrote:

You could call it makeshift and get lynched in this forum

But it is better to be wise against the damage than to be foolish after the damage!

As my colleagues advised above - RJ45 cables, coaxial and any need to lead to each point twice (yes, it's an expense, but it's better to spend now and sleep peacefully than to rake the walls to replace the damaged cable or install a new one, or look for other alternatives for a wired connection).

Coaxial cable is one thing and the RJ-45 plug for twisted-pair cable is another. Do not mix.

BC109B wrote:

I have a vague feeling that RJ45 is a type of plug, And the coaxial cable to it is probably twisted pair?

The so-called light darkness:
My friend Kocurek wrote a bit too colloquially, and my friend from transistors was also crazy. Sometimes such darkness also takes me sometimes, unfortunately , but:

RJ-xx (Registered Jack) is a plug
XTP (Twisted Pair) cable. In popular vocabulary, twisted pair are UTP and FTP cables (like sports shoes are sneakers).
The coaxial cable is not "twisted pair". Concentrations are cables such as for TV installation or for a WiFi antenna.

IC_Current wrote:

BC109B wrote:

I have a vague feeling that RJ45 is a type of plug, And the coaxial cable to it is probably twisted pair?

The so-called light darkness:
My friend Kocurek wrote a bit too colloquially, and my friend from transistors was also crazy. Sometimes such darkness also takes me sometimes, unfortunately , but:

RJ-xx (Registered Jack) is a plug
XTP (Twisted Pair) cable. In popular vocabulary, twisted pair are UTP and FTP cables (like sports shoes are sneakers).
The coaxial cable is not "twisted pair". Concentrations are cables such as for TV installation or for a WiFi antenna.

Another popular obscurity is speaking LAN to a copper network, excluding Wifi.
Meanwhile, these are concepts from completely different layers (physical / service). Wifi can be a carrier in a LAN network, and a twisted-pair copper connection may not meet the LAN assumptions (for example, it can transfer analog telephone calls or be an element of an external network)

EDIT: ethernet for twisted pair too

Twisted pair - yes
Concentric - to the living room, as needed elsewhere and keep an eye on plasterers and other professionals so that they do not damage the pipes, and arrange the pipes in such a way that it is possible to replace the wires.
Pipes always with a reserve of cross-section, e.g. RKKS 750N 25 * 20 are two conductors, 32 * 26 are four conductors, and one conductor is 20 * 14

BC109B wrote:

So twisted pair, coaxial cables and others, you have to lead to each point double ...

There is no such compulsion!
Only the house is not built every 5 years (because you need to equip it with new necessary wiring), but you don't need to renovate it (with some exceptions) ) you do not do it every year - and in Internet and network issues it changes so quickly that it is better to "give" ahead and exaggerated than cry afterwards.

Router or switch in the attic from him cables to individual sockets.