Changing the tariff from C11 to G11 or another one in the "utility building"

I was afraid that "nothing will convince us that white is white and black is black." You have inserted criteria for inclusion in G tariff groups, and it is still about C groups. The fact that a business cannot have a G tariff does not mean that if you do not have such a business, you cannot have a C tariff. And there is still an electrode myth that "C tariff" "It`s only for companies."

zbich70 wrote:

If there are technical possibilities of connection in tariff group C, why shouldn`t they be available in group G?

Because conditions have already been approved for powering the construction site from this network? It`s not like the conditions are set to the max and whoever connects first is the best. When issuing conditions, you must take into account the existing load and conditions already issued but not yet connected recipients. You have to wait until these conditions expire.

maurycy123 wrote:

In my case, they refer to the fact that I received conditions for a newly designed building. So they assume that there will be a construction site and then the building will be accepted. I`m wondering whether to submit an application for connection conditions again, but for a caravan or garage? But then it may turn out that it is not technically possible.

Submit the documents to the county office to report the construction of a building with a permit, a tin farm building with a description, a sketch of the tin metal structure, a drawing on a map with dimensions of where it will be built.
After a month, go to the county office and have them stamp that they do not file any complaints with the application or something like that.
Put up the tin. Submit the documents for connection to an existing farm building, and attach an approved application for the construction of a building along with the application.
The electrician who will later sign the paper should tell you that the installation in the tinplate has been carried out in accordance with the regulations.
But it turns out that you haven`t talked to any electrician yet, and that`s a mistake.

And you have to submit an application to Enea, or you can`t apply to, for example, PGE?

Rafael22 wrote:

Submit the documents to the county office to report the construction of a building with a permit, a tin farm building with a description, a sketch of the tin metal structure, a drawing on a map with dimensions of where it will be built.
After a month, go to the county office and have them stamp that they do not file any complaints with the application or something like that.
Put up the tin. Submit the papers for connection to an existing farm building, and attach an approved application for the construction of a building along with the application.

It`s not stupid. This sheet of metal would meet the conditions for the newly designed building.

Rafael22 wrote:

The electrician who will later sign the paper should tell you that the installation in the tinplate has been carried out in accordance with the regulations.

I talked to several people, and even one of them works at the Security Service, and they didn`t come up with such an idea. Even the construction manager. And whatever papers he signs, he will sign himself ;-)

Rafael22 wrote:

And you have to submit an application to Enea, or you can`t apply to, for example, PGE?

I can choose the seller but not the supplier. So I don`t know if I would get Gx?

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stomat wrote:

The fact that a business activity cannot have a G tariff does not mean that without such activity it is impossible to have a C tariff.

Correct. Who will forbid the rich? But on what legal basis did Enea decide that there must be a Cx tariff for the construction site? There is no such thing. I understand that companies work on large construction sites, but what if someone builds on their plot in an economic way?

stomat wrote:

You have to wait until these conditions expire.

After all, I wrote that I submitted an application for new conditions (conditions from the beginning of 2020), and a guy from Enea called (at the beginning of this year) asking what I meant? After all, there is a ZK and I even paid the fine.

maurycy123 wrote:

But on what legal basis did Enea decide that there must be a Cx tariff for the construction site? There is no such thing. I understand that companies work on large construction sites, but what if someone builds on their plot in an economic way?

And you`re leaving with this company again. Is it so difficult to understand what the Energy Regulatory Office also wrote, that it DOES NOT matter whether it is a company or an individual?
Based on tariff. It says what qualifies for the G tariff, in black and white, and there are no construction sites. The conclusion is simple - the construction site qualifies for group C tariffs.

I write how it should be, according to the law, but we know that people get confused and work around it in one way or another. And this is on a trailer, a sheet metal car or in another way. This can be bypassed quite easily, as you know, only people work in the state government and they often act according to the principle: "whatever, it`s not my job after all."

Continuation of my struggles for connection in the g tariff:

On April 11, I reported the tin garage as a building to the County Office.
On April 13, I already had a positive decision.
On April 17, I applied for new connection conditions for the farm building.
On April 19, I had a call from Enea Operator with a few questions.
On April 21, I received a refusal to specify new conditions for the farm building because the conditions for this plot had already been defined. At the same time, they agree to connect the farm building under the previously issued conditions.
I have an appointment at the customer service center on April 26

We`ll see what happens next.

No matter what you look at, the four letters are still at the back.
According to Enea, a utility building is not the same as a utility room.
Tariff approved by the Energy Regulatory Office for 2023:



That`s why I got this:



As soon as I said that I wanted to sign a contract for a farm building, I was immediately informed that only tariff C. I can still try for a "garage", but I think I will give up.

Don't go to Enea because it won't help. Write an application and add an open letter in which you declare that this is a building for the needs of the household. household. And write that if the decision is negative, they should provide the legal grounds. And you send it all by registered mail. They told me it was a non-residential building. And nowhere in the tariff does it say that electricity must be used in a residential building. There is only a provision that it must be used for household needs, and where this is not the case.

I filed a complaint with Enea Operator. On April 11, 2023, I received the following response:

For them, a farm building is not a utility room. It doesn`t matter that there is only one room in this building and it is a utility room.
On April 12, 2023, I filed a complaint with the Energy Regulatory Office. I have attached photos of the farm building (tin shed) and what is inside it, as well as a photo of the plot with a garden. I also emphasized that I do not run a business there.
Before filing a complaint, I called the Energy Regulatory Office`s hotline. After presenting the situation, the person I talked to said that, in his opinion, a farm building is subject to the Gx tariff if no DG is run there.
She told me to file a complaint and, after a negative response, submit a complaint to the Energy Regulatory Office.
So we`ll see what happens next.

This is the answer I received from the Energy Regulatory Office:


Has anyone applied to change the conditions? Tomorrow I will call the hotline to find out how to do it.

maurycy123 wrote:

For them, a farm building is not a utility room. It doesn`t matter that there is only one room in this building and it is a utility room.

But not related to running a household. There are also many utility rooms in companies, but no one includes them in the G tariff. Is it really so difficult to understand?

stomat wrote:

There are also many utility rooms in companies, but no one includes them in the G tariff. Is it really so difficult to understand?

But I don`t have a company and I don`t run a business. Definition of a farm building:
"A farm building is a building intended for non-professional performance of workshop work and for storing materials, tools, equipment and agricultural produce used by the inhabitants of a residential building, a collective residence building, an individual recreation building, as well as their surroundings."

And here`s the argument again: "I don`t run a business", after all, many posts above, the Energy Regulatory Office stated that it is irrelevant in the context of assigning people to tariff groups.
Well, I don`t understand what you don`t understand.
For a building to be "related to running a household", it must be a HOUSE. HOME!

There doesn't have to be any house!
Enea also claimed that if it is a non-residential building, it must be C.
But the tariff clearly states: for the needs of the economy. household.
In the definition of economy home there is no mention of any house.
How was Enea supposed to indicate where there is a record that energy used for farm needs? home must be in the building. residential, she changed her mind and said it could be G.

stomat wrote:

For a building to be "related to running a household", it must be a HOUSE. HOME!

And again we return to Drzymała`s car. Will the ZE decide whether I can live in a garage, a tent, a camper or a dugout?
If I don`t build a HOUSE, will I no longer run a household? Even in a tent?
By the way - connections to camping sites are in group G. Allotment gardens are also in G. There are no HOUSES there either, at most there are gazebos or some shelters and storage rooms for gardening tools.
Should these recipients also be included in group C?

Today I filed a complaint against ZE again. I added this to the previous one:


A friend (from the same town) had electricity for his recreational plot. He gave up (made a mistake) because he didn`t use it. In the meantime, he built a house and has an SSZ. He wanted to reconnect the electricity, but the customer service office told him that they would carry out inspections.
He gave up.

I was at BOK yesterday and wanted to sign a contract even for "C". The consultant wanted to see the title deed to the plot. If there is information that the plot is for construction purposes, I can only receive the Cx tariff. I said that I had a farm building there intended for household purposes. He replied that it didn`t matter because everyone would build farm buildings. I asked what if I don`t build anything, will I have a Cx tariff for the rest of my life? He said it was my problem. I wanted to sign a contract for 1F and 5kW, but he refused because the conditions were for 3F and 16kW. But once I pay the first invoice, I can change it to whatever I want. My hands drop. And the title deed states that it is a plot of land with no buildings and nothing else. URE doesn`t care either. They only reply that I should apply to Enea to change the terms and they believe that the matter is over on their side.

maurycy123 wrote:

My hands drop

What do you do? When hammering mental CONCRETE, it`s not just your hands that drop.
Somehow, on the other side of the Vistula, in the neighboring DSO, such problems do not occur, at least in the cases that I know about.

You don`t go to Customer Service, because nothing can be done there. You complete the PS-DO application and enter a farm building (you can add that it is of a recreational nature). You also attach an open letter in which you describe the situation and state that you are not building anything there, that the plot is used for recreational purposes, and the energy will be used for household needs (provided that you are not building anything). If they think otherwise, they must answer in writing, and they can talk a lot in the office. It takes a while, but it can be dealt with, but only by letter.

There is a breakthrough and light at the end of the tunnel. I will write more when I have the counter installed.

Through the Enea website, I expressed my willingness to become their client and sent the documents:
1. U-DO (I noted that I need energy for a utility room, not a utility building).
2. Notification to the County Office of the construction of a farm building.
3. Connection conditions, which include information that I can connect a farm building under previously issued conditions.
4. Declaration that I do not and will not conduct business activities in the utility room. The room is intended for household needs. The statement also included photos of the garden, but I don`t know if they added anything to the case.

After an hour, I receive information in the mail that the application has been rejected because I did not provide the contractor`s number and PPE number.
WTF???? How do I get these numbers if I`m not their customer?

I sent the documents via their website again with the information that the previous ones were rejected because I did not provide the above-mentioned numbers because I do not have them.

After a few hours, I received information that the application had been accepted, but I had to complete and send the PS-DO.

Within two weeks I received a reply. I read the first letter and there is information that I have to sign two contracts and send back the scans. I open the contract and I can`t believe what I see. G11 tariff for household and municipal needs.

Meter installed. G11 tariff. It was worth the fight.

Thanks everyone for the tips.

>>20304877
Hello,

I am asking for advice on changing the tariff from c to g. PGE is stubborn that if there is only a farm building, we are not entitled to get the g tariff. Even if I confirm that there is no business activity and the building is intended for domestic purposes.
The e-mail has already been sent, but they still stand their ground and reply that if there is an outbuilding, only the c tariff is applicable. Could you share information from PGE if the change from c to g tariffs occurred?

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>>20304877
Hello. Could you provide more information on how to change the tariff from c to g? Thank you in advance

Added after 12 [minutes]:

@pastuszakluiza, please provide more information on how you managed to convince PGE to change the tariff from c to g. We have been fighting with them for 3 months and nothing. Thank you in advance

Has anything moved with anyone? Has there been any success with PGE?

I am starting a battle with Enea. I have an outbuilding on a plot of land and a C11 tariff. I am now planning to change to G11.