Changing the tariff from C11 to G11 or another one in the "utility building"

Question

Hello. As I progress, I can report on what will result from my intentions. I have a plot of land on which I built a farm building. I connected electricity to it (in accordance with all recommendations, regulations, contracts, etc., but during construction, ultimately to the utility building)....

zbich70 · Answer

This has already been discussed dozens of times.

There are two rules:
- if electricity is/will be used only for domestic needs (specified in the operator`s tariff) - then G tariff you deserve a doghouse,
- if a business is run in this property, then energy consumption must be accounted for tariff C (of course, only if the owner runs his own business there, and not if he hires, for example, a construction company).

An intermediate variant - when energy is used simultaneously for household needs and (own) business, then it is necessary to separate both installations and measure them separately.

stomat · Answer

Oh, that`s something new. So if I rent a room in a residential building or my brother-in-law`s company for business purposes, it can be included in the G tariff?
In my opinion, it does not matter whether there is an activity or not, whether it is your own or someone else`s, what matters is WHAT PURPOSE the energy is used for. This is specified in the regulations. Outbuildings are listed in point: "utility rooms related to running households i.e. basement rooms, garages, attics" . Now the question is whether this building is related to the household?
One way or another, energy prices will be freed in 2024 and all these speculations will end. I hope.

zbich70 · Answer

Of course not. You`re right, I expressed myself wrong. What I meant was that the premises are not rented, but a hired company, e.g. a construction company (conducting business) carries out its work there (e.g. renovation). But never mind that. If you have hope, you probably know that the changes will be for the better(?). Do you have any information on what these changes will involve? Because I am more afraid that the G tariff will disappear and we will all spend money in our homes like entrepreneurs.

bart198x · Answer

I couldn’t do it today because I just came home from work. It was a little after 3 p.m., but at that time I could have stood in line until the morning...
I’ll be at PGE on Monday because I’m taking a break and I’ll have limited time for it.

"Outbuilding" is only (and not only) the name adopted in the application for the construction of a given building (the development plan only allowed it, I am not a farmer, I will not build a farmhouse) and there is no house on the plot. There is an "outbuilding" and a tin garage. I bought the tinplate and built it after signing an agreement with PGE, which provides for connection to the "outbuilding" at the C11 tariff. There are no rental activities etc. etc. we are going too deep. I just plant vegetables there

seriously, and I also built the building myself.
But PGE told me that since it is a farm building (according to the application and development plan) and there are no single-family buildings there (because there was no garage at that time), it must be C11 because their contracts do not provide otherwise for a "farm building".

I’ll go to the bank on Monday and I’ll talk to you about the situation. I was hoping to get it done today, but instead of leaving work early, I barely managed to leave

. Life.

bart198x · Answer

Welcome back.
I was at PGE and I learned nothing, I mean I learned a lot, but without the intended result.

As my colleague aptly suggested, "stomat"

Quote:
Now the question is whether this building is related to the household?

Well NO, it is not.
The "utility building" on the plot stands alone (no other buildings).
It is a detached farm building, not connected with any household or single-family development (because there is none).
Therefore (with the lack of single-family buildings), PGE treats every building on the plot as a farm building, regardless of whether it is a garage or another "farm building".
Blaszak is also out, I received an answer that such a contract for 2022 will not be accepted at all.

An exception may be a gazebo or, colloquially called, a summer house (individual recreation building), but I cannot transform an "outbuilding" into this type of development. The development plan does not provide for this.

Therefore, the C11 tariff remains.

Basically, I’ve run out of ideas, I don’t know, maybe I’ll send an inquiry to the Consumer Ombudsman, arguing that I need electricity for living purposes, and not for business, company or whatever he called it.
We’ll see what happens.

pastuszakluiza · Answer

I wonder what you wrote because I have the same situation. PGE only agreed to connect the C tariff, but I immediately received information that when the building is brought to a developer's standard (screeds and plasters), I can submit an application for the re-issuance of the certificate for the G tariff. Generally, we are in the process of work and we will see what will come out of it - however, our plot, even though it is a homestead structure and I am not a farmer, allows for the possibility of changing the use of the building as recreational or residential.

bart198x · Answer

@pastuszakluiza:
I can change it to a residential one at home (I don`t think I wrote this before), but:
I would have to make a site visit with an architect (and probably industry representatives) and based on the vision, an architectural design would have to be "produced", such as for a building permit (that`s what they told me at the starosty). That`s why I gave up.

And after asking PGE, it turned out that they wouldn`t pay me G tariffs unless I actually turned the building into a residential building, and that would probably cost several dozen thousand. I paid PLN 14,000 for an individual house design in 2022, so I estimate that it would cost PLN 7-8 to design this building, I didn`t even ask the architect, hmm... Maybe I`ll ask

.

pastuszakluiza · Answer

We have just managed to change the tariff to G without changing the method of use. Several harsh emails were sent to PGE, but they had no legal basis to maintain the C tariff

pat.s · Answer

Can you write a few more sentences?

bart198x · Answer

I'll write something more.
Today, December 15, 2022, I just said goodbye to the technician who, after a year of my struggle with the local PGE Customer Service Point, came and said: The tariff has been changed to G11.

It worked!

I changed the tariff to G11
Lesson learned for the future, don't do things like this on the spot. Only by e-mail with the headquarters.

A big thank you to "pastuszakluiza" who guided me to the course of action (although in my case it was easier, ultimately without referring to legal grounds)

I wrote an e-mail to PGE (I got the address from "pastuszakluiza").
I justified the reason for the tariff change: I do not run a business, I have completed the construction, the building is registered, marked on the maps, the land has been de-agricultural, the tax rate has changed, I do not and will not run a business there, there is only a farm building on the plot and I only use electricity for living needs.
In response, I received a list of steps I had to take and, perhaps most importantly because I didn't have to look further on my own, all the documents I had to complete in PDF formats.
After a week, I received a call from PGE to arrange a technician.
And after two weeks, i.e. from today, I have the G11 tariff.

No one at the local PGE outlet could figure it out for almost a year.

If anyone has any questions, please PM me.
Regards.

pastuszakluiza · Answer

Cool. I`m glad it worked out and I could help

pat.s · Answer

Each H for your outfit at these points
I went there stressed that there would be problems, I went, she wrote out the paperwork, she sent it, I checked my account in tauxx in a week
and it was already G11 completely without any problems so far, and since I already have it entered, it is there and working, so I guess there will be no more problems.

bart198x · Answer

And at my point they kept saying (I was there three times a year looking for opportunities) that no, because there is no "house" there, that it is not a farm without a "house", if there will be a "house" then yes, and now no, that even if they make a contract, the technician will withdraw it because there is no "home" there. And you won`t write me such a contract at all, because there is no "house" there, only a farm building, which means it is not a farm, so it must be C11.
And having been to the point three times, each time I was with someone else and each time it was the same song.
I don`t know. Maybe they don`t have a commission for such a contract, maybe they have some negative points towards the target for such contracts.
Well, K..M.. for such misleading that it is impossible, or for disinformation, it`s me.ja. hang. All you had to do was say "take care of it by e-mail" and provide the address.
But it can be done.
And my blood pressure is just dropping

ek1 · Answer

Good morning, I wrote on private. I would be grateful for a hint ;) e.

bart198x · Answer

to #ek1
I replied privately.

Moreover, today I received official confirmation that my tariff has been changed as of December 15, 2022.

I don’t know why I don’t receive email notifications about PM messages, even though I have it checked.

I came in to write about the fact that they had finally changed my tariff and I accidentally saw the PM.
Can PMs be blocked by spam on Gmail?

ps. I had an old email entered in my account settings. I haven’t been here for a long time and I rarely come here.

Damn, I can’t change the e-mail address in my profile, I mean, I change it, but after logging in again it’s still the old one.???
I had another typo somewhere. It’s gone. Works.

ek1 · Answer

Thanks for your good intentions . I replied, I will work with PGE Obrót i Dystrybucja and we will see how many times it hits me...

emgra1989 · Answer

Can someone provide the email address to register? It can be in a private message if it's a secret

bart198x · Answer

It's not a secret or directly serwis(_at_)gkpge.pl From this form he sends to this address, if I am not mistaken.

emgra1989 · Answer

Everything's fine, buddy. It's just that the service, i.e. the headquarters, sends you to the local point and the local point says that it can't do anything because the headquarters decides and the circle closes.

bart198x · Answer

Well, I don`t know anymore. For me it looked like this: 1. I wrote an e-mail to the headquarters serwis(_at_)gkpge.pl, and in response I received the following from them: I filled everything out and sent it back. In response I got: I have a customer service point in Pabianice and they didn`t even want to talk to me about such a tariff change. 2. After these e-mails, they probably called me from Pabianice to arrange a technician who will come and write down the meter and prepare a protocol for changing the tariff. And the technician actually came and gave me a paper to sign and that`s it. No problem. 3. A few days after the technician`s visit, I received another email: Ladies and Gentlemen, On behalf of PGE Obrót SA, I am sending a letter confirming the change. The file is password protected. The password for the file is the last 6 digits of the PESEL number of the Contracting Party. And that`s what it looked like for me.

maurycy123 · Answer

This does not concern changing the tariff but signing a new contract, but the topic is similar.
We have a house built in developer`s standard (installations, plasters, floors, etc. everything is there).
We have connection conditions. There is a ZK connected to the line on the pole. There is a WLZ located to the building. The invoice for the execution of the ZK has been paid.
I go to the Customer Service Center in Dębno with the papers (let everyone know where) and the guy tells me that the conditions are no longer valid. I say that ZK is there, everything is, and he says that he doesn`t care what is. I have to apply for new conditions. I am applying for new conditions. After three days, I get a phone call, what do I mean? After all, the conditions are valid because the connector already exists and I even paid a fine for not signing the energy supply contract.
Today I was at BOK in Gorzów. There was no longer a problem with the conditions. The problem occurred when I did not select one of the options:

The first point concerns the supply of electricity during construction (Article 41(5) of the Construction Law) and the second does not apply to me.
I said I wouldn`t mark any of them because they didn`t apply to me. The person serving me said I had to mark something. I asked about the legal basis. She said she would accept the application but I should expect a negative response.
That`s how it is in this company.

zbich70 wrote:
This has already been discussed dozens of times.

There are two rules:
- if electricity is/will be used only for household needs (specified in the operator`s tariff) - the G tariff is due like a dog`s kennel,

Can I refer to you? (joke :-)

).

zbich70 · Answer

You can, feel free to mention it. You can also refer to this post -

maurycy123 · Answer

It won`t reach only those people in BOK. They have guidelines to cut customers. When I asked about the legal basis, the most common answer was I will not discuss it with you. While submitting the papers today, I heard that the decision would (probably) be negative. And I replied that I was just waiting for the decision (in writing) so that I could refer the case to the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection and the Energy Regulatory Office. We will see what will happen.

zbich70 · Answer

Maybe it depends on how you approach these people? Maybe you shouldn`t threaten the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection and the Energy Regulatory Office right away, because you will scare them too much. Maybe just talk human to human. Mostly this is enough, it used to be enough for me. Well, then you are extremely unlucky. I have never come across such malicious offices that only drink coffee, eat cakes and cut up customers. I guess it was just because I wasn`t rude to them, but simply polite and nice.

maurycy123 · Answer

I think I`ll give up. I have no strength left. I have been fighting with Enea for almost three months.

1. I submitted a paper application for the supply of energy to a household and they sent me a contract for a "construction site". Additionally, they sent information that I should urgently sign a contract for the supply of electricity to the facility, "location and property number". And the draft contract was prepared in accordance with Enea Operator`s opinion on the C11 tariff. After some time, an urgent call came. I complained that I was applying for a household and not a "construction site". And maybe someone changed the documents. And if they want me to sign a contract for a construction project, let them send me the correct contract. They supposedly assigned a case number.

2. I submitted an application online and they replied that the connection conditions were issued for the connection of a planned facility, not an existing one. Additionally, in accordance with the provisions of the issued conditions, the first stage is the construction site - ultimately the Recipient`s facility. That`s why they qualify me for the Cx tariff, and if I want Gx, I have to have the building accepted. I cannot (apparently) change the connection conditions because they have already been issued.
They do not answer any questions about the legal basis. No, period.

3. On Friday afternoon, I wrote to the Energy Regulatory Office and presented the situation. On Monday I received an answer.
If anyone wants to read it, I`m posting screenshots:

I have the impression that something has already been swept away. If I want to have electricity to complete the house, I have to pay tribute to Enea.

stomat · Answer

URE wrote, contrary to what some on this forum claim, that the criterion for inclusion in tariff groups it is not conducting or not conducting business activity . Will it finally arrive and this electrode myth will be busted? Probably not.

zbich70 · Answer

Interestingly, the same Energy Regulatory Office approved the Electricity Tariff for customers from G tariff groups. And in point 3.1.2 Criteria for qualifying customers to tariff groups, the condition of not running a business is mentioned four times (subsection b, c, e, i).

maurycy123 · Answer

In my case, they refer to the fact that I received conditions for a newly designed building. So they assume that there will be a construction site and then the building will be accepted. I`m wondering whether to submit an application for connection conditions again, but for a caravan or garage? But then it may turn out that it is not technically possible.

zbich70 · Answer

If there are technical possibilities of connection in tariff group C, why shouldn`t they be available in group G?

Changing the tariff from C11 to G11 or another one in the "utility building"

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