Connection power 7 kW and 14 kW difference in monthly payments

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I need help
I got a contract from the power industry for the construction of a connection and a connection power of 14kw (as I applied for) to build a house.
Now I have a puzzle because my friends have 7 kw. They tell me that it makes no sense because now I will pay a lot more for the rest of my life
How does it compare with fixed fees per month, not counting consumption, of course.
The fact that the connection fee is calculated from kw, I know but what next ????

The power of 7 kW can be realized as a 1-phase connection, although it is rather not used in single-family housing. 14 kW is definitely a 3-phase connection and it is not much more expensive here. I used to have a 1-phase connection in my apartment, then I switched to 3 phases and I did not notice the difference in the amount of bills. However, the very order of 14 kW power is more expensive because in this case we pay for each kW, but it is a one-time fee. It is very good that you have opted for a 14 kW connection. It will be more convenient with today's number of electrical appliances in the home.

There are no capacity-related charges in the G tariff group. Friends screw you up or have business.

For customers billed in the "G" tariff, the power has little impact on the bills, while in the "C" tariff, the impact of power is significant.

zbich70 wrote:

There are no capacity-related charges in the G tariff group. Friends screw you up or have business.

Same thing all over again ... because it's a folk legend ...

Thanks for the information, now I'm completely stunned . It's like, apart from the first connection fee, there really is no difference in the bills afterwards ???
gogi20 and what did you mean?

The fact that your friends provide you with information that the baker gave them and the baker gave them a mechanic, a mechanic ... and no one asked in the energy sector You just have to swallow the first charge for the connected power.

sputnik1 wrote:

Thanks for the information, now I'm completely stunned . It's like, apart from the first connection fee, there really is no difference in the bills afterwards ???
gogi20 and what did you mean?

There is no difference when it comes to the house. If it was about the company, yes, there is a difference. 7 kW per house is probably a mistake, in my opinion 14 is the minimum. Then people write here on this and other forums how to replace or remove the security because they have to walk to the CC all the time.

After all, the author writes that the connection is for building a house. Knowing the thieves of ZE, I suppose that he got the C tariff and there is a difference not only in the first payment, but also in the later payments. I think it would be wiser to reduce the capacity for the time of construction, and when the G tariff is available, then to increase the capacity. There is one more possibility, recently there was a topic where the fight to change the tariff was described before the building was handed over. Probably the author succeeded, so maybe it is worth fighting now before signing the contract.

Yes you are right. So you won't be paying more for the rest of your life just for the rest of the construction. More about PLN 25 per month.

I don't understand what you mean with paying until the end of construction. If he gets the G tariff immediately, he will not pay for the power ordered every month.
Even if it was PLN 10 / month, it does not mean that I have to agree to being robbed by ZE. If there are more such cases, then either the EC will be forced to change its approach, or the EC will better legally validate its request for the settlement of individual construction in the C tariff (the tariff for economic activity).
Even though you are a ZE employee, can't you see that there is something wrong here?
Why is a private person who often builds a residential building to pay for electricity in a business tariff. Why can't he pay at G tariff?
If someone builds in the form of a service (developer), let him pay in C tariff, but a private person in G.

masonry wrote:

If someone builds in the form of a service (developer), let him pay in C tariff, but a private person in G.

But how is ED to distinguish it, because if the application was submitted by the developer, it would be a different fairy tale, and Kowalski submitted to whom the company is building. I wonder if there are any regulations for it.

Strong words but completely unfounded. Note that the price of energy in the C tariffs is set on an arm's length basis. There is competition and the market has set a price. Why do you say this is a "thieving" price? So open an energy trading company, offer a lower "fair" price and win the market.
For political reasons, the state orders to sell energy to households at a lower price. Below the cost. It is imposed by means of tariffs controlled by the state office - ERO. I do not believe that it is a thief to strictly narrow the circle of subsidized recipients.

Reasonable words, of course.
The market and the law have nothing to say here.
These are standards set directly and unlawfully by suppliers.
Only free cash counts.
A private investor is treated like a croissant and a cash cow.
If he can afford construction, he can afford tribute to the energy supplier.
Please read here Link and here Link
These links show that this is however thievery.

I would like to thank my colleague Krzysiek for providing the link, I was talking about the topic under the second link.
Buddy dent, but it's not quite okay to loot a blacksmith just because he can afford to build a house.
Since Tauron has bent, something is up.
In that topic, everything is described in detail and the illegal ZE request is described there. It is about the demand to collect the building as a basis for changing the tariff, it is unlawful. Perhaps it is rather a ploy of ZE in order to collect undue money from recipients.
The Energy Regulatory Office does not know everything either, it only knows as much as will be provided by the Electricity Association when approving tariffs.

stomat wrote:

Below the cost.

Buddy, and what are the costs, if I am a monopolist, because power plants are how much I can charge for the generated energy URE will forbid me. I invite my colleague Stomat to the car park of the power plant employees. This is the case with many professions in this country that complain about the meager earnings (and these are the costs), check the parking lot and see what they drive to work.

And please, I asked about a supposedly simple matter and it turns out that ...
I read the contract terms and calculations and found nothing about the tariffs.
He only writes that Category V, whatever that is meant to be. The cost of a 14kw connection per plot is more than PLN 2,000 plus VAT, with a total output of about PLN 2,500.
But now I am stupid because there is nothing about tariffs, only this 5th category.

It is a connection group.
group V - entities connected directly to the distribution network, with a rated voltage of no more than 1 kV and a connection power of no more than 40 kW and a rated current of counter protection no more than 63 A.
For example, other connection groups:
group I - entities connected directly to the transmission network.
group II - entities connected directly to the distribution distribution network, with a rated voltage of 110 kV, and entities connected to the distribution network that require electricity supplies with parameters other than standard, or entities with their own generating units cooperating with the network.
group III - entities connected directly to the distribution network with a rated voltage higher than 1 kV, but lower than 110 kV.
group IV - entities connected directly to the distribution network with a rated voltage of not more than 1 kV and a connection power of more than 40 kW or the rated current of the meter protection in the current path greater than 63 A.
group VI - entities connected to the network through a temporary connection, which will be replaced by a target connection on the terms specified in the agreement, or entities connected to the network for a specified period, but not longer than one year.

Buddy Krzysztof, power plants are no longer "monopolists". Power plants have very different owners and energy is bought on the power exchange TGE . I think it's time to get used to the fact that the product has different prices for different recipients. Today, at the petrol station, I also wanted to refuel ON TIR, because it is cheaper and it is refueled from the same distributor, but the "thief" from the station did not let me do it and he robbed me only because I could afford a car. Tomorrow I am writing a letter to Orlen what is the right to this
PS Did I write anything about low earnings? For a change, I invite you to see what the state of the net is, especially in the countryside.

I come from Silesia and there is a lot of investment in the countryside, I think even more than in cities.
You did not write anything about small earnings, I wanted to make you aware of where these costs are. I know Mrs. The main power engineer of a large plant that buys energy and sells surplus energy. He claims that it is IDEE FIXE.

stomat wrote:

Today at the petrol station I also wanted to refuel ON TIR, because it is cheaper and it is refueled from the same distributor, but the "thief" from the station did not let me do it and he robbed me only because I can afford a car

It's very good that he didn't let you. The gun from the dispenser for TIR is thicker and would not fit into your filler, you would still spill fuel.
If ZE correctly (legally) establishes its requirement to settle the construction site in tariff C and does not change the mind for some of the smarter recipients (not afraid to fight), it will cease to be a thief.
We have examples that some have managed to win a tariff change without taking over the building, so not everything is okay.
If the ZE was almost valid, it would not change the tariff, meanwhile, there are more people who got the G tariff without construction acceptance.

That is:
- due to the greater connection capacity, someday I will not pay more?
- and when will I find out about the applied tariff?

Colleagues, this week I was dealing with PGE. For the time of construction, I was given the C11 tariff, 7kW power (at my request, 3xC16 fuse) when signing the contract, with the requested 13kW (3xC20 fuse). Now I was able to change the tariff to G11 (G12 is not profitable) at the request signed by an electrician and after the ZE control if the building is inhabited and no construction works are being carried out - the building has not been taken back. The fees are higher by approximately PLN 550 per year with an average consumption of 1000kWh / year. Such realities are in PGE, comp. Lowicz.

masonry wrote:

If ZE correctly (legally) establishes its requirement to settle the construction site in tariff C and does not change the mind for some of the smarter recipients (not afraid to fight), it will cease to be a thief.

Since the tariff (approved by the Energy Regulatory Office) is not enough, I wonder if the Sejm act will be sufficient? Or maybe you need to enter into the constitution?
And the fact that somewhere out there an employee waved his hand and included the bugger in the wrong tariff for the sake of peace and quiet means nothing. I was once caught by a policeman when I entered the ban, he took the documents and after a while said: "okay, go sir". Does this mean that you do not get a fine for entering the ban? And that those who give tickets for it are thieves?

The farther into the forest, the more trees . Honestly, I was completely stupid. and I don't know how to want, I don't know what the difference and how the tariff is.

sputnik1 wrote:

Honestly, I was completely stupid. and I don't know how to want, I don't know what the difference and how the tariff is.

What do you not understand? The tariff group will be determined at the stage of concluding the contract for the sale and supply of energy. It will probably be group C (for the time of construction). Whether it is legal or not, you have the details above. You have to judge for yourself whether you want to fight "battles".

As for the difference in fees - you will find everything in the operator's tariff.
Example

And any complaints can already be submitted in an accelerated procedure

masonry wrote:

I think it would be wiser to reduce the capacity for the time of construction, and when the G tariff is available, then to increase the capacity.

Exactly. Is it possible without major costs?
For example, 7 kW for the construction period and 14 kW ultimately?
What if during the construction it turned out that the 7 kW is not enough? What may be the cost of such an increase in power for the construction site?

Of course you can. After all, at the construction site of a steel plant, for example, much less power is needed than the steel plant then uses for its normal operation. Construction and a dwelling house are two different things. You can read the prices of the distributors and sellers available on their websites.