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230V home power supply, EV charging 1P 7.2kW/h - how to connect 3-phase 11kW/h?

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  • #1 20616334
    guzendaad
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    Hello. I have a similar problem. With a thick 3x16mm² cable, I get power to the house 230V 14kW main fuse 63A and in the "vertical" 80A
    I am an EV owner and the max that can be charged on 1F is 7.2kW/h
    Colleagues have any idea how to connect a 3-phase 11kW / h ???

    Moderated By krzysiek7:

    Separated from the topic https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3486739.html

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  • #2 20616462
    stanislaw1954
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    It can't be done.
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    guzendaad
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    I have one more question.
    It is not possible at all, or maybe if I used 3 off-grid inverters 5 kWp each in a 3-phase system and connected the power supply from this thick cable to them, would it work?
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  • #4 20616469
    r103
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    In Poland, you would have to apply to the electricity supplier /Tauron or whatever/ for the connection conditions you want.

    How about in the UK - ? - but I guess you also have to contact the supplier ?
  • #5 20618078
    guzendaad
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    In the IRL, the problem is that you have to pay a lot for such a service - which has already happened, the guys at the power station can put out such a charger and on phase 1 they won't do it because they don't know if, for example, there's any life-threatening equipment like a pump or respirator in the house. Here, outages are clearly monitored. This is just a curiosity because the main problem is cost. 3-phase electricity is simply more expensive.
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  • #6 20618313
    clubber84
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    So you want to quickly charge your "iPhones", but for almost free, because electricity is expensive?
    And even though it can't be done, you still want to play "Polish onion" in Ireland?
    Good luck then


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    Malice and irony are not needed.

  • #7 20618396
    guzendaad
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    But you're stupid boy, it hurts my head. Did you bring something wise with this poop to the discussion, or did you just show other followers of this thread how it burns the ass with envy?
    11kW is primitively fast in your opinion? After all, people reading this have fallen off their stools.
    Moderated By Topolski Mirosław:

    3.1.5-3.1.7 Do not post content that deliberately causes conflicts in the forum and violates good manners. Do not challenge the other side of the discussion, even if you have a different opinion.
    3.1.9. Don't be ironic or mean to the other side of the discussion. Please respect dissent and other opinions on the forum.

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  • #8 20618484
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
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    But you can't connect 3 phase to 1 phase......
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    clubber84
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    guzendaad wrote:
    or did you just show other followers of this thread how to bake ass with envy?

    If it burns you where the back line loses its noble name, because:
    guzendaad wrote:
    The problem with IRL is that you have to pay dearly for such a service

    then who is envious here and who has a problem - me or you?
    I'm not complaining that the electricity is expensive, I just earn enough to pay my electricity bills "without groaning, complaining and messing around on the forum".
    And if you haven't heard your friend's first answer that you can't connect 3F devices to 1F installations, it means that you can't and there's no point in bending reality.
    Moderated By krzysiek7:

    3.1.9. Don't be ironic or mean to the other side of the discussion. Please respect dissent and other opinions on the forum.


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    Ktoś_tam
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    clubber84 wrote:
    guzendaad wrote:
    Did you just show the other followers of this thread how they burn their ass with envy?

    If it burns you where the back line loses its noble name, because:
    guzendaad wrote:
    The problem with IRL, because you have to pay dearly for such a service
    ,
    then who is envious here and who has a problem - me or you?
    I'm not complaining that the electricity is expensive, I just earn enough to pay my electricity bills "without groaning, complaining and messing around on the forum".
    And if you haven't heard your friend's first answer that you can't connect 3F devices to 1F installations, it means that you can't and there's no point in bending reality.

    Whether it is possible, I don't know. Everything is a matter of money and imagination, people fly into space. In Poland, it will certainly not be possible, because no one will provide you with such power plus a reserve for other 1F devices.

    Please stop this arguing already. An electricity bill in a house/apartment is one thing, and an electricity bill if you need to charge your car is another. Everyone cares about money, so do you.
    clubber84 wrote:
    I was only asking how best to settle accounts with an electrician for checking the installation in the apartment.

    This is your post on Elektroda in the topic you started.
    You'd rather pay less than more for a service. I suspect that as you continue to drive, you fill up before leaving, and not on the highway, where it is more expensive.
    And wealth also comes from rational financial management. The fact that someone can afford an electrician and does not drive a 20-year-old gas car does not mean that he has to pay more for electricity if he can have it cheaper.
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    Okay, thanks for straightening me out.

    Only, why did the author, sitting in Ireland, ask on the Polish forum if he can connect 3 inverters to one WLZ there?
    Let him ask the natives, they know better.
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    Strumien swiadomosci swia
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    Then you would have over 50A from 1 phase. A lot of.
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    kmarkot
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    I don't quite understand why you need so much power to charge.
    40 kWh allows you to drive 200-300 km. Battery charging time is about 8 hours with a 7 kW charger.
    How many kilometers do you drive daily?
    Of course, people could be on the moon and one phase can be connected to a single-phase motor plus a generator, or an inverter from 1-phase to 3-phase. From an economic point of view, it will be cheaper to drive from time to time and charge the battery on a fast charger.
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    lukiiiii
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    How about bridging the phases...?
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    Rezystor240
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    lukiiiii wrote:
    How about bridging the phases...?


    There will be a short circuit ;) could be a bridge rectifier. But that's not the problem.
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    Ktoś_tam
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    Rezystor240 wrote:
    lukiiiii wrote:
    How about bridging the phases...?


    There will be a short circuit ;) You could use a bridge rectifier. But that's not the problem.

    Only the author has a 1f power supply and the receiver is 3f. The proposal to bridge the phases was to bridge the phases in the receiver.
    Whether this is a solution, I don't know. I have serious doubts in general. While it is possible that the lack of phase shift does not bother the electronics, lowering the voltage by almost half will involve a considerable increase in current to maintain the power at the output. Even if the input circuits are star-connected and the charger uses N, a very large current will flow through this N. It is in the input circuits of the charger that the problem may be. Firstly, can it work on such a voltage, secondly, does the charger have any protections.
    In my opinion, it will not work, if only because of the increased current, to get the same power at the output.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the challenge of connecting a 3-phase 11kW EV charger to a home power supply that is limited to a single-phase 7.2kW charging capability. The original poster has a 230V supply with a 63A main fuse and seeks advice on how to achieve the desired connection. Responses highlight the impossibility of directly connecting 3-phase devices to a single-phase supply, with suggestions including the use of multiple off-grid inverters. Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility and safety of such setups, emphasizing the need for proper electrical management and the economic implications of charging an EV at home. The conversation also touches on the potential for bridging phases and the technical challenges associated with increased current demands.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Over 50 A on one phase is needed for 11 kW; "Then you would have over 50A from 1 phase." Without three‑phase, you won’t deliver 11 kW at home; upgrade to three‑phase or use single‑phase charging. [Elektroda, Strumien swiadomosci swia, post #20619955]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps 230 V single‑phase homeowners figure out safe, compliant ways to charge EVs when 11 kW three‑phase isn’t available.

Quick Facts

Can I run an 11 kW three‑phase EV charger from my 230 V single‑phase supply?

No. A three‑phase charger needs a three‑phase supply. "You can't connect 3 phase to 1 phase." Use a single‑phase EVSE or upgrade to three‑phase. [Elektroda, Strumien swiadomosci swia, post #20618484]

How many amps would 11 kW pull on a single phase at 230 V?

11 kW at 230 V is about 48 A. With margins and losses, expect over 50 A. As one member said, "over 50A from 1 phase." That exceeds many domestic circuits. [Elektroda, Strumien swiadomosci swia, post #20619955]

My home supports about 7.2 kW single‑phase. Is that enough overnight?

For daily driving, yes. A 40 kWh battery can cover 200–300 km. Charging at about 7 kW takes roughly 8 hours. Daily mileage often fits this window. Use public fast charging for longer trips. [Elektroda, kmarkot, post #20620286]

Can I bridge L1, L2, L3 together to fake three‑phase?

Do not. Short‑circuit risk is high. As noted, "There will be a short circuit ;)". This approach can damage equipment and breach safety rules. [Elektroda, Rezystor240, post #20622462]

What happens if I tie all phases to one phase and use neutral?

Input circuits may see low voltage per phase and high current. "A very large current will flow through this N." Electronics may trip, overheat, or fail. This is not a safe workaround. [Elektroda, Ktoś_tam, post #20622793]

Could three off‑grid inverters (e.g., 3×5 kW) let me run 11 kW?

It still requires over 50 A drawn from one phase to supply 11 kW. Such setups add complexity, cost, and compliance questions. Discuss alternatives with your utility and installer. [Elektroda, Strumien swiadomosci swia, post #20619955]

How do I get 11 kW at home the right way?

Request a three‑phase service from your electricity supplier. They set connection conditions and capacity. Work with a licensed electrician for installation. How‑To: 1. Apply to your supplier for three‑phase connection. 2. Complete site assessment and approvals. 3. Install EVSE and commission per permit. [Elektroda, r103, post #20616469]

Why might the utility decline a big single‑phase charger install?

In Ireland, operators consider critical home equipment during outages. Installers avoid creating risks on one phase. A user noted life‑support devices like pumps or respirators as concerns. Policies also reflect cost controls and monitoring. [Elektroda, guzendaad, post #20618078]

Is three‑phase electricity more expensive in Ireland?

A user reported three‑phase service is more expensive. Budget for higher standing charges or tariffs when upgrading. Ask your supplier for current rates before proceeding. [Elektroda, guzendaad, post #20618078]

If I can’t upgrade now, what’s a practical charging plan?

Charge at home on single‑phase overnight near 7 kW. This refills a typical 40 kWh battery in roughly one night. Use public fast chargers when you need quick top‑ups. This reduces upgrade pressure. [Elektroda, kmarkot, post #20620286]

Who should I ask about UK/IRL‑specific rules and options?

Check with your local supplier and local electricians. As one poster advised, ask the natives who know local practice. Regulations and tariffs vary by country and utility. [Elektroda, clubber84, post #20619127]

Do I mean kW, kWh, or kW/h when discussing charging?

Use kW for charging power and kWh for battery energy. kW/h is not standard. Example: 7 kW charger adds about 7 kWh per hour. Energy bills and battery sizes are in kWh. [Kilowatt-hour]
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