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Lamp control via WiFi, without N wire - which module?

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  • #1 20999374
    Matheu
    Level 25  
    Hey
    I need control of the lamp via WiFi Connection without neutral wire .
    The module should fit in an electrical box.

    Fine if:
    - popular/easily available/inexpensive
    - simple operation

    Would the following relay be good?

    ZigBee relay OXT 2CH
    ZigBee OXT 2-channel relay without neutral wire, showing connection labels.
    TUYA 2CH ZigBee Inductive Relay without N . . . . (I gave the auction link as an example)

    Are you going to recommend something completely different for me?
    Till now I haven't worked anything in Smart Home. .
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  • #2 20999394
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Matheu wrote:
    TUYA 2CH ZigBee Inductive Transmitter without N . . . . (I gave the link to the auction as an example)

    And maybe you can recommend me something completely different?
    Will the maximum allowable current load of the above relay be sufficient?
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  • #3 20999400
    Matheu
    Level 25  
    Lamp I will install:
    - if LED then max 30W
    - if ordinary (i.e. traditional light bulb, i.e. resistive load) then 200W - I give a large margin.

    (the load capacity of the relay according to the manufacturer is max 2x100W LED, or max 5A )
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    #4 20999597
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Matheu wrote:
    I need to control the lamp via WiFi
    You suggested a link to the ZigBee version. This will only work with a ZigBee gateway (ZigBee-Ethernet/WiFi adapter). Look for the WiFi version.
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  • #5 20999635
    Matheu
    Level 25  
    Maybe I am looking wrong? - but I have not seen that at the same time the module has:
    - a WiFi version
    - and at the same time the possibility of connecting without a neutral cable

    I do not know if it is possible without buying an additional module - a separate WiFi gateway.... ?
  • #6 20999683
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Matheu wrote:
    - WiFi version
    - and at the same time the possibility of connecting without a neutral wire

    See for example Allegro auction number:
    - 15037745739
    - 15113316446
    - 14229536137
  • #7 21000757
    Matheu
    Level 25  
    Thanks a lot, Freebsd - I have looked at these auctions!

    1) I understand that if the module has a WiFi connection it no longer needs to use an additional ZigBee gateway, right?
    2) The following modules (Forta) should be compatible with popular software?


    1) Forta P2N-.W WiF Forta dual-channel switch module with cable connection points. Load range: 10-100W per circuit
    Wifi standard: 2.4 GHz 802.11 b/g/n Compatible with: Tuya Smart / Smart Life / Google Home / SmartThings
    transmitters: 2 TRIAC BTA16-800 thyristors
    capacitor included: module - 2 CBB22 205J400V capacitors, total capacitance 4uF
    Module dimensions: 39 x 39 x 19 mm
    Capacitor module dimensions: 40 x 30 x 22.4 mm (can be exchanged for a smaller one)


    This module has an "N" connector, but I guess it can work with and without the Neutral wire attached:
    - When pairing with the TUYA app - the load is to be at least 10W.
    - In an installation without a neutral wire, a capacitor is to be connected in parallel to the load (capacitor is included).
    - In case of blinking light, it is recommended to replace the existing capacitor with a stronger one (e.g. 10uF)


    2) ZanderParts TUYA WiFi Relay 4x150W, 4x2,5A from the auction description- Requires a full power supply in the box - L and N
    -> at my place, unfortunately, it falls off...


    3) Forta PBN-.W WiFi Connection diagram of the Forta PBN-W WiFi module with technical description. Power max. 400W
    Storage after power failure
    Wifi standard: 2.4 GHz (only) 802.11 b / g / n
    Compatible: Tuya Smart / Smart Life / Google Home / SmartThings
    Size: 47 x 47 x 20 mm

    In an installation without a neutral wire, connect the capacitor in parallel to the load (capacitor included).
  • #8 21001173
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Matheu wrote:
    1) I understand that if the module has a WiFi connection it no longer needs to use an additional ZigBee gateway, right?
    You do not need a ZigBee gateway connected to the internet. You need a WiFi router with internet connection.

    Matheu wrote:
    2) The following modules (Forta) should be compatible with popular software?
    In the description it has compatibility with Tuya.

    Matheu wrote:
    This module has an "N" connector, but I guess it can work with and without the Neutral wire attached:
    - When pairing with the TUYA application - the load is to be at least 10W.
    - In an installation without a Neutral wire, a capacitor should be connected in parallel to the load (capacitor is included).
    - If the light flickers, it is recommended to replace the existing capacitor with a stronger one (e.g. 10uF)
    According to the description, it works without "N". By default it requires current flow to have energy to operate. Therefore the pairing of the device is best done with the light (relay) switched on :-)
    You should also immediately add a capacitor at the light source if the lighting is e.g. LED type.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting a WiFi-controlled lamp module that operates without a neutral wire. The user initially considers a ZigBee relay but is advised to look for a WiFi version to avoid needing a separate ZigBee gateway. Various options are explored, including the Forta P2N-.W module, which is compatible with popular smart home systems like Tuya and SmartThings. The importance of ensuring the relay's load capacity is sufficient for the intended lamp type (LED or traditional) is emphasized, along with the necessity of adding a capacitor for LED installations. The conversation highlights the need for a WiFi router for internet connectivity and clarifies that the Forta module can function without a neutral wire under certain conditions.
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