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Aliexpress 2.5 HDD: Altered Usage Hours & Health Indicators Explained

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  • #1 21331568
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    I bought a 2.5" HDD on Aliexpress, I know this drive is used but it shows few hours of use and good health in CrystalDiskInfo. What do the Chinese change in the HDD to mask hours of use and true health?

    Do they also change or remove important HDD functions such as head parking and drive power management?
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  • #2 21331931
    dt1
    Admin of Computers group
    Hi.
    Modern HDDs are equipped with SMART technology, which is responsible for monitoring and storing crucial drive parameters, including power-on time. Theoretically, these values are stored in a place not accessible to the user and cannot be erased or changed manually. So this should not be modified by the user, but there are ways to do this, and all values stored by SMART can be initialised to factory defaults (including power-on time, power-on count, pending sectors, g-sensor and everything else).

    This way, the disk is shown with excellent health in SMART reporting programs such as Crystal Disk Info.

    If you bought such a drive, you should definitely check its entire surface to see if this disk is usable at all. It may be a piece of junk, or it may be good; it's a lottery.

    AAM and APM parameters can be modified on some drives, but most likely they are kept default because there is no need to touch them when "factory" resetting SMART values.
  • #3 21332131
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    Do the Chinese from aliexpress only change the SMART or do they remove and change HDD 2.5" firmware functions such as power management and head parking?
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  • #4 21332207
    Łukasz_W

    HDD and data recovery specialist
    One will dig deeper, the other will just reset SMART.
    This is a question for the Chinese, whether they modify the software to a greater extent or not.

    The solution is not to buy devices from questionable sources.

    Tell us better what you mean.
    What question should we answer exactly?
    Why are you so interested in head parking and power management?
    Until the disk receives the "sleep" command, it will wait for commands in the ready state - it will work.
  • #5 21333495
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    From your experience with HDDs, do the Chinese modify or remove the HDD firmware functions such as power management and head parking in addition to SMART to show few hours of use and good health for used HDDs?

    What is the sleep command? Is it related to the Windows function of ejecting "safely remove hardware" and parked heads of 2.5" HDDs inside USB enclosure cases?
  • #6 21348166
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    up ???
  • #7 21348469
    dt1
    Admin of Computers group
    gamemaniaco1987 wrote:
    From your experience with HDDs, do the Chinese modify or remove the HDD firmware functions such as power management and head parking in addition to SMART to show few hours of use and good health for used HDDs?
    .
    From my the don't because it is economically unjustified and not needed for drive to spin up and get detected. If they sell scrap as refurbished disks or even new, they will not waste too much time per unit to make it appear ok, but, as said earlier:
    Łukasz_W wrote:
    This is a question for the Chinese, whether they modify the software to a greater extent or not.
    .

    gamemaniaco1987 wrote:
    What is the sleep command? Is it related to the Windows function of ejecting "safely remove hardware" and parked heads of 2.5" HDDs inside USB enclosure cases?

    I believe You had that question answered in one of Your other threads.
  • #8 21361418
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    alteredSMART ok

    Do they change or disable some system settings (such as power management) within the firmware and does this affect the parking system?

    my hdds Western Digital WDC WD10JPVX-08JC3T5, HGST APPLE HDD HTS541010A99E662 inside enclosure kesu 2530
  • #9 21361546
    dt1
    Admin of Computers group
    This is becoming boring. You got a bunch of answers to this question and you still ask the same. The answers are the same. Do You expect another answer if You post the same question a dozen times?
  • #10 21361614
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    >>21361546 Thanks for the answers, friends. I just want to understand how this manipulation works. In the answers, I see that they change SMART, to show few hours of use and good health, but if they change SMART, at the same time, the energy settings within the firmware will also be changed, and this harms and disables or modifies the head parking system.
  • #11 21361624
    Łukasz_W

    HDD and data recovery specialist
    Reset SMART clear all parameters, no one sets parameters individually, I have never encountered this.
    Similarly, I have never encountered anyone changing operating parameters related to energy saving or heads parking functions.
    If the disk has mechanical problems, this will not change anything.

    Do a full surface scan with MHDD or Victoria and you'll know if the drive has problems. And in the future, buy devices from trusted sources.
  • #12 21361626
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    >>21361624 I used HD Tune Full Scan surface no errors

    on the two 2.5" HDD models mentioned that I bought on Aliexpress. After I read and saw that they change usage hours and show good health on the crystal disk, I wondered if they would change important features of the 2.5" HDD such as power management and parking of the heads when ejecting in Windows.
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  • #13 21361746
    Łukasz_W

    HDD and data recovery specialist
    gamemaniaco1987 wrote:
    I used HD Tune Full Scan surface no errors
    .
    You were recommended two programs that we recommend using for this purpose and HD Tune was not there. Why do you create topics if you neither follow the recommendations nor respect our answers?
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  • #14 21361752
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    the test I carried out a few months ago before the answers were posted, the HDD Tune is not fine ok?

    on the two 2.5" HDD models mentioned that I bought on Aliexpress. After I read and saw that they change usage hours and show good health on the crystal disk, I wondered if they would change important features of the 2.5" HDD such as power management and parking of the heads when ejecting in Windows.
  • #15 21363127
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    >>21361746 Aliexpress sellers changing power management settings, parking and other features within the 2.5" HDD firmware is easy to manipulate like resetting SMART?
  • #16 21363514
    dt1
    Admin of Computers group
    No, as said earlier this is not easy. Try to find how to do it and you will know.
  • #17 21363556
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    The Chinese from Aliexpress change SMART to show a few hours of use and good health in CrystalDiskInfo, all other parameters are also reset. Does this procedure access and modify within the firmware in the power management and parking system? Have any of you analysed a used 2.5" HDD from Aliexpress?
  • #18 21363569
    dt1
    Admin of Computers group
    You are asking the same again and again. All of Your questions that could be answered have already been answered. Read the whole thread again if You missed them and You will find these answers. What's the point of asking the same questions over and over again?
  • #19 21363605
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    @gamemaniaco1987
    You buy something from a Chinese and then ask us what they were tinkering with?
    Ask the Chinese what they did there!
  • #20 21364045
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    >>21363605 Chinese will never tell the truth
  • #21 21365971
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    Have any of you had access to a 2.5" HDD from AliExpress and analyzed the modifications made to its firmware?
  • #22 21366046
    Kolobos
    IT specialist
    Don't buy hard drives from Aliexpress and that's it. You've already got all the answers, you can close this thread.
  • #23 21366066
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    gamemaniaco1987 wrote:
    Chinese will never tell the truth
    .
    But did you find out about it now or did you know about it before?
    If you found out now, you have learned your lesson.
    And if you knew in advance and still knowingly left them money, it's your own fault.
  • #24 21368880
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    Does the Aliexpress seller have any influence on the HDD modifications? Example: I bought an external HDD from the KESU brand (enclosure case Kesu 2530 2.5" HDD models Western Digital WD10JPVX-08JC3T5 and HGST APPLE HDD HTS541010A99E662) I wonder if all sellers buy the HDD from the same person and resell it with the brand's USB case.
  • #25 21368954
    Łukasz_W

    HDD and data recovery specialist
    Again - this is not a question for us.
    In what language should we write so that you understand that SMART is completely erased, no one sets individual working hours, just zeros its values and that interference in the software that you are talking about does not pay off for anyone.

    gamemaniaco1987 wrote:
    I wonder if all sellers buy the HDD from the same person and resell it with the brand's USB case.
    .
    I don't understand this at all - anyone can sell a drive in an external casing.
    The source of these devices can be good or bad, what do you expect from us?

    Tell us, what would be the point of modifying the head parking function that you are talking about all the time from the vendor's point of view?
    What would cause this?

    An HDD drive is a mechanical device, if it is degraded, both on the head side and on the surface, then changing the parking function does not change anything at all.
  • #26 21368966
    gamemaniaco1987
    Level 2  
    >>21368954 I speak Portuguese

    but I use the translator

    yes I know they change SMART

    does the Chinese need to change the power management and parking system of the 2.5" HDD to hide errors and defects in the drive or force the purchase of another HDD??

    is the difficulty to reset SMART the same as to change, disable or remove original functions of the 2.5" HDD?
  • #27 21368989
    gulson
    System Administrator
    Report:
    If the author has any doubts, they should ask the seller. The questions asked here don't help others in any way, and we are not able to answer them with 100% certainty due to their nature - these are not strictly technical questions but merely presumed suspicions, which cannot be verified in any way anyway.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the concerns of users who purchased 2.5" HDDs from Aliexpress, questioning the integrity of the drives' reported usage hours and health status as shown in CrystalDiskInfo. Participants explain that while SMART technology typically prevents manual alteration of usage data, it can be reset to factory defaults, potentially masking true drive conditions. Users express skepticism about whether sellers modify firmware settings related to power management and head parking to further conceal defects. The consensus suggests that while SMART values can be reset, altering firmware settings is more complex and economically unjustified for sellers. Recommendations include performing thorough surface scans to assess drive health and avoiding purchases from unreliable sources.
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