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[Solved] How do you automate the control of a room thermoelectric fan?

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  • #1 21400145
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    WITAM, I have a question whether it is possible to create a control of a thermoventilator in a room based on such a scheme: basic temperature set e.g. 18 °C, when no one is present, a person enters, the thermoventilator turns on and raises the temperature e.g. 2 - 3 °C more. When the person leaves the room, the temperature returns to 18 °C. I was thinking of using a motion sensor, a temperature sensor, a phone app, maybe a Tuya system, as there is a control panel in the building on this system. Please give me some solution.
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  • #2 21400151
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    bolek11 wrote:
    maybe on the tuya system as there is a control panel on this system in the building. Please give me a solution
    .
    You have suggested them yourself ;) .
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  • #3 21400173
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    I don't have that much experience of what to connect to what and what I would need to create such a control and that is why I wrote a request on the forum for help in putting together the necessary components . The inspiration for the idea was such a fan heater with a motion sensor .
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  • #4 21400181
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    There are a whole bunch of tutorials on the web on how to create a scene in Tuya, besides it would probably be cooler if a worker entered an already heated room.
    What's a thermo-fan?
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  • #5 21400189
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    The fan heater should be turned on to a higher temperature 15-30 min before the staff arrive and when they are not there, maintaining 16°C is sufficient. If you have fixed working hours, a timer control will suffice.
  • #6 21400228
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    Thermo fan 230v 2000w wall mounted . Room occupancy varies and the timer does not come into use.
  • #7 21401362
    VPSA132
    Level 25  
    Two motion sensors will be needed.
    Rules in tuya:
    1. turn on when motion appears on sensor #1 and there is no motion on #2 and keep it that way.
    2. turn off when movement is on #2 and there is no movement on #1.
    Sensor #1 will be inside the room and #2 behind the door, for example.
    Sensor locations to be determined experimentally. Any delays are the same.
    I have lighting firing done like this in one place. I have gone through several configurations and this one works best.
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  • #8 21401458
    xury
    Automation specialist
    And what if there are, say, 10 people hanging around? Will it switch on and off every now and then?
    That's what human sensors are for, they detect "people" even when they don't move.
    And there are even some for tuya.
  • #9 21401513
    VPSA132
    Level 25  
    xury wrote:
    And what if there are, say, 10 of these people hanging around?
    .
    You are right. However, we do not have data on this. The author has not written anything about it. It would be useful to specify whether the employees enter and leave in one group or as whoever wants.
  • #10 21401661
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    The room is visited about 5 times at 10 minutes each for 16 hours, and for this reason the pattern of operation of the fan heater which gave me food for thought was as follows: the temperature was set at e.g. 20 degrees when someone entered the room, the motion sensor raised the temperature by 2 degrees for about 10 minutes, when the person left during the 10 minutes, the fan heater returned to 20 degrees and kept it that way. I know this from the owner, who had such a fan heater, but it got worn out and he brought it back from Norway, and that is why I want to copy this cycle of heating with a fan heater in my case.
  • #11 21403066
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    Raising the temperature because someone stays for 10 minutes and not much longer sounds like a joke to me, unless the room is a loo and the fan is blowing cool air from outside during that time.
  • #12 21403327
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    The time of the raised temperature lasted as long as the motion sensor saw the person, minimum 10 min (adjustable) to 20 min max.
  • #13 21404324
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    and let him stay for 30 minutes, I thought you were writing about a room where people stay much longer and do sedentary work.
    For light work and work carried out in office premises, the temperature must not be lower than +18°C, the recommended temperature in winter is 20-23°C.
  • #14 21437204
    bolek11
    Level 12  
    I am closing the topic because some posts miss the question and do not contribute any hints to the solution of the topic.

Topic summary

The discussion addresses automating the control of a 230V 2000W wall-mounted thermoelectric fan heater in a room with variable occupancy. The goal is to maintain a base temperature (e.g., 18°C) when unoccupied and increase it by 2-3°C upon detecting presence, reverting to the base temperature after occupants leave. The proposed solution involves integrating motion sensors and temperature sensors with a smart control system, such as Tuya, which supports scene creation and automation rules. Suggested configurations include using two motion sensors positioned inside the room and near the door to accurately detect entry and exit, preventing frequent on/off cycling. The system should allow adjustable delay timers (minimum 10 to 20 minutes) to maintain elevated temperature while presence is detected. The approach considers occupancy patterns of short visits (around 10 minutes, multiple times daily) and the need for temperature adjustments accordingly. Alternatives like timer-based control are less suitable due to irregular occupancy. The discussion also notes the availability of human presence sensors compatible with Tuya for more reliable detection. The solution aims to replicate a previously used fan heater with built-in motion sensing, now to be implemented via external sensors and smart automation.
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