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GaN 65W power supply/charger bought for four quid from Aliexpress - tests, thermal imaging, user ris

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  • White wall charger labeled 65 W GaN with EU plug
    I invite you to test the boisterously advertised welcome gadget offered to us by AliExpress for just £4 with free shipping. Here I will check what performance this power supply has in practice, whether it really supports QC and reaches 65 watts, and whether the voltage at its output is safe for our mobile devices. In addition, I will also look at its PCB under thermal imaging to determine what heats up the most.
    Advertisement for 65W GaN wall charger with USB C on AliExpress website
    Let's start with the purchase. The whole thing comes under different names, to me it popped up as a "GaN wall charger with USB C plug". I already have reservations about the name itself, if only because essentially the charging circuitry is already in the phone, and here we have, as it already is, a power supply, although I'm more concerned about that GaN and 65 W....
    Screenshot of 65W USB-C charger listing from AliExpress with product image and description
    Fast charging (QC standard - higher voltage?) also caught the title. Well, hard, we buy:
    AliExpress order summary showing a final price of 4.16 PLN with free shipping
    If problems arise, simply open discussions with the seller.

    First impression First impression
    I waited a long time for the package to arrive, but here it is - there's no mistaking it, it says 65W on the packaging and case too:
    Plastic packaging with 65W USB C charger label and visible EU plug Close-up of product label on Chinese electronic device packaging
    On the device we have its performance (?) - up to 7.2 A at 9 V, up to 5.4 A at 12 V and up to 3.25 A at 20 V:
    USB-C wall power supply labeled 65 W, model TRG-185 White charger labeled 65W GaN with European plug White charger with USB-A and two USB-C ports, labeled PD 33W.
    All nice, but QC trigger can't even switch on 7V - what's up?
    USB meter display showing 5.189 V voltage and 0.000 A current
    Let's not judge in advance. The QC trigger may have broken down for me, perhaps it's run-of-the-mill. Worse, at 5 volts I can also draw up to 2 amps and then the voltage drops:
    USB tester showing 5.23 V and 1.127 A connected to white power adapter and PCB. USB tester shows 3.593 V and 2.563 A, connected to a disassembled USB-C power supply.
    One might get the impression that we have a 5 V 2 A power supply here, but this remains to be checked.

    Interior of the gadget
    The whole thing is suspiciously easy to disassemble. I can get the impression that this device does the autodisassembly itself when plugged in and pulled harder at an angle.
    Disassembled USB-C charger showing internal PCB and loose power plug
    This is how the plug is connected to the board - on contact. Inside we have a small PCB with a load bonus:
    Disassembled plastic USB power adapter with exposed internal PCB and plug
    Here's the PCB itself. Everything is on a poor, single-sided board. It does not resemble a GaN power supply:
    Close-up of power supply PCB with electronic components and USB ports
    You can see by the pins from USB C alone that only 5 V is connected here. There are no derived signals responsible for QC negotiation.
    Close-up of power supply PCB with capacitors, USB ports, and electronic components
    I don't see anything else on the underside either - all we have here is a PSR (Primary Side Regulation - no optocoupler) flyback converter controller, a synchronous rectifier (on the secondary side - instead of a Schotky diode), and a small circuit to probably let the power supply report to the phone to let it know it can draw more than 500 mA.
    Power supply PCB with visible ICs, resistors, and solder joints.
    We only have a fuse at the input, and then there is a rectifier bridge. Then the minimum inverter circuit:
    Close-up of a single-sided PCB with electronic components from a USB charger.
    You can easily read that the inverter is based on the MT3612:
    Close-up of MT3612 chip on a power supply PCB with SMD components
    This fully dispels any doubts - according to the catalogue note, we have here up to 10/12 W depending on the version:
    Document excerpt showing MT3612 chip specs and a table of model variants with power ratings.
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    Now we look at the secondary, low-voltage side.
    PCB with MT6704 chip and other electronic components in a close-up view
    There is only one more modern aspect here, as we have an MT6704 synchronous rectifier (based on a MOSFET) instead of a Schotky diode:
    Typical application diagram of synchronous rectifier using MT6705 IC

    Practical tests
    To start with a current of 1.5 A:
    Electronic tester with fan connected to open USB-C power supply PCB
    After half an hour the main PSR controller approaches 50 °C, the synchronous rectifier heats up a little less.
    Thermal image of a PCB with three marked temperature readings Thermal image of a PCB with a hot spot marked at 48.3°C
    This is very strange, but after a momentary load of 1.5 A the voltage starts to jump to 6.5 V.



    What happens, on the other hand, when we increase the current?
    USB power tester with fan and red LED display measuring voltage and current Electronic module with LED display showing 6.59 V and small cooling fan
    At this load, the systems exceed the 50 °C limit.
    Thermal image of PCB with marked hotspot reaching 55.3°C Thermal image of PCB with highlighted area reaching over 50°C
    The voltage is also able to occasionally drop to 3.4 V, i.e. the overload protection is trying to protect the inverters.

    Summary
    This product is outright misleading and does not deliver what is promised. What's more, the whole thing is of poor quality, and after a load of about 3 A the voltage starts to jump in a strange way, up to 7 V, and the overcurrent protection does not always immediately engage.
    In addition, the construction is flimsy, I would be afraid that at some time of pulling out of contact a part of the device will be left in my hands.
    I wonder what the construction of the transformer is like, but I didn't want to destroy it to find out.
    All in all, it is hardly surprising that I would totally advise against buying this product. If this is what a "welcome deal" or a "welcome gift" is supposed to look like, then I dread to think what the actual "cooperation" will look like. The shop is still promoting it and non-technical people are ordering and getting fooled.
    Have you also come across this kind of electronic trap in online shops?

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  • #2 21825094
    szeryf3
    Level 30  
    Something occurs to me that someone already showed a similar power supply/charger of 65W only in yellow that year.
    Interestingly, he also rated it as electro-junk.
  • #3 21825291
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Most importantly, they didn't forget to give free 'plasticine'.
  • #4 21825329
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    E8600 wrote:
    Most importantly, they didn't forget the rather gratuitous 'plasticine'.

    Plasticine is added for two reasons.

    1. To increase customer confidence in the product by increasing the weight of the product.
    2. With loose web sockets, gravity improves contact.
  • #5 21825391
    Homo_toxicus
    Level 27  
    Nothing has changed for years, although the price should immediately "set off a red light". I used to do a lot of shopping on "Ali" and in many cases I was met with disappointment although I will honestly admit that many purchases were a pleasant surprise and, in the case of assumed disputes, refunds were quicker than from our home sales platforms. The generally low prices are a result of the "minimalism" of the Chinese manufacturers. In principle, for this amount of money there is not even anything to complain about. The only problem is misleading and endangering uninformed users.
  • #6 21825511
    Andrzej Ch.
    Level 33  
    What's the price, what's the product, after all, for US$1 you shouldn't expect miracles from majfriends.
  • #7 21825668
    kkknc
    Level 43  
    And so I'm surprised it works after all, for that £4 you can only expect a case.
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  • #8 21825811
    metalMANiu
    Level 21  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    the device disassembles itself when you plug it into the socket and pull harder

    I am a living (fortunately) example of how, when pulling such a charger out of the socket, the casing can stay in your hand and the live pins stick out of the socket all the time.
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  • #9 21825826
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    What surprises me most anyway is that it is called a "welcome gift" - a welcome gift? After all, rather such a gift should discourage further purchases on the site, unless seriously customers are that ignorant. Basically, that's why I set up this topic - because non-technical people might be fooled by it after all....
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  • #10 21826038
    jarek7714
    Level 27  
    If someone burns down their flat because of such inventions, there will be a problem/ unfortunately, the liberalism of the free market allows it - the devices are not checked and allowed for sale. As for Ali / I bought a few times, unfortunately after the last accident with the PoE-gigabit switch, I buy only well-known recognised brands / here the prices are not so colourful, often higher than at other sellers. And the pushy, deceitful marketing with promotions is indigestible.
  • #11 21826069
    Mastertech
    Level 30  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    My biggest surprise anyway is that it's called a "welcome gift" - welcome gift?

    And see, you've done us in. It's not the price of this charger for everyone, it's actually a welcome gift to those making their first purchase.
    Such prices appear as you view Aliexpress as not logged in. When you log in, the price spell disappears, then the price is £11.59, and the free delivery disappears too unless you buy for £40.
    And look how much it costs on Allegro and do you think that no one has pointed out to the sellers that the declared parameters are just a prank ?
  • #12 21826225
    forest1600
    Level 20  
    Mastertech wrote:
    And you see, you've done us in. It's not the price of this charger for everyone, it's actually a welcome gift to those making their first purchase.


    And it's clear you didn't read from the beginning "I invite you to test the lavishly advertised welcome gadget offered to us by AliExpress for just £4 with free shipping."
  • #13 21826354
    Mastertech
    Level 30  
    Ali has no welcome goodies. Those who register for the first time for almost EVERYTHING have an "occasional" price and free shipping. The $1 price was referred to by the author a few times later in the article and it annoyed me so I pointed it out to him.
    In the same way you can write that the Social Security will pay 9600 zloty on hand and there is no need to apply for those ...who turned 100 this month.
  • #14 21826480
    forest1600
    Level 20  
    Mastertech wrote:
    In the same way, it can be written that ZUS will pay out 9600 zł per hand and there is no need to apply for those ...who have turned 100 this month.


    I know it's a scam, you know, the author of the post wrote as above, he didn't emphasise that it's a "gift" for those who open an account.
  • #15 21826524
    bearq
    Level 39  
    I, recently, was looking for a charger above 65W to charge my laptop and phone/headphones at the same time. I found 3 chargers priced at 100£+ with a claimed power output of ~100W. After testing under load it turned out that two of the chargers do indeed give about 100W but only for the first 2-3 minutes, then they get breathless and go down to 40W max output. These may not have been top-of-the-range chargers, but they were not the cheapest no-names either.
  • #16 21826571
    jarek7714
    Level 27  
    bearq wrote:
    I've recently been looking for a charger above 65W to charge my laptop and phone
    I've also been using one for one of my older Macbooks for over 3 years/done over 200, 120W-USB-C, previously I bought ala the Apple original for about 100 and it was lame, and a brand new original for 400 I didn't want to buy for an old laptop. A Chinese brand B charger.... and only one other brand at U.... falls into the orbit of my choices. They colour everything heavily with marketing.... .
  • #18 21826713
    Karol966
    Level 31  
    I once bought a 120W charger from majfriends, such a beautiful yellow one, 4 USB ports including 2 USB-C with a silver border. Of course, it had the same power as the one in the topic - 10W. A piece of steel in the case was used as the load. However, it didn't cost £4, but something like £10 (although that's 250% more, I didn't expect anything from it - I needed a charger that would give a maximum of 20W - I was hoping that with 120 these 20W could be given, but I was wrong).
    I got it back, the charger was left (nobody wanted it) and I don't want it either.
    I bought a newer, weaker and more expensive one (something around 45W, with a small LED display). I've learnt from experience that before dismantling it, I applied a magnet and was pleasantly surprised - it doesn't have a piece of steel inside, but it weighs something. So maybe it will work. It didn't...
    Same crap, plastic inside. Power 10W. The display was lying in plain sight, but how interesting - at the very beginning it showed quite close to the current and after a few seconds it just increased the display by 1A (from 2A to 3) although in fact there was still about 1.8A flowing.
    Of course the money was refunded and nobody wanted this crap.

    I don't like these practices of the majfriends - there should be a complete ban on the sale of such crap to the EU under threat of heavy fines. They want crap, and a lot of people are writing them positive reviews/comments for it, so let them feed this crap at home and not send it all over the world. Shit!

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    bearq wrote:
    I found 3 chargers priced at 100£+ with a claimed power of ~100W. After testing under load it turned out that two chargers do indeed give about 100W but only for the first 2-3


    And I finally bought a good charger that meets the manufacturer's claim. It was supposed to be 33W and the most I saw on it was 31-32W (with an external meter). On 11.11 I bought it for just under 6USD:

    Black Toocki 33W charger with LED display and two USB ports.
  • #19 21827316
    fred_onizuka
    Level 19  
    In my opinion, the EU should introduce a law prohibiting the sale of goods with incorrect specifications (plus some penalties to discourage such practices). I am not in favour of banning the sale of crap, because at a low price it may be useful to someone. But the declared parameters should correspond to the real ones (with some tolerance, of course), so that the buyer knows what he is getting and decides for himself whether it is worth buying it. And yes, I happened to come across offers with "18650" batteries with capacities of the order of 100Ah :)
  • #20 21827569
    Kiermasz
    Level 23  
    Hmmm, maybe electro-junk. Maybe it's on the verge of burning itself a spanner. Maybe it's also on the verge of falling apart. But there are nice sockets and a handful of components.
    And all this for 4 PLN including postage! No matter how I look at it, that's less than any supplier in Poland charges for delivery alone. In fact, it's less than the tickets for a public transport :)
    To me, that's a fair price and quality for the price :)

    fred_onizuka wrote:
    In my opinion, the EU should introduce a law prohibiting the sale of goods with incorrect specifications (plus some penalties to discourage such practices).


    Let yourself be comforted by 4PLN play parts before banning that too.
  • #21 21827718
    MarekS6
    Level 17  
    Because on aliexpress you have to know how and what to buy. I, out of, sheer curiosity, bought one such cheap noName charger, 65 or 120W (I don't remember exactly) and after the first inspection I knew that I wouldn't be connecting it to any expensive device. It has probably 5-6 sockets, and it's also lighter than the single 25W original from Samsung. I use it to power some simple things and a Chinese inductive charger which should not damage the receiver.

    In the meantime, I have bought dozens of chargers with the Samsung logo (25, 45 and a trio of 65W) and so far it is ok. It is obvious that these are probably fakes, but they are definitely heavier and more solid than the noName ones and at the same time about half cheaper than the "supposed" original, e.g. the trio on allegro.

    Generally I order a lot on Ali - on average a dozen or so things a month and I am rarely disappointed.

    There are also things I am very positively surprised with, such as IP cameras from Anpviz. I had monitoring on 5 hikvision cameras (4Mpx At the price of about 600PLN/unit) and after problems with IR diodes burning out, which you cannot get anywhere, I bought one such Chinese camera 5Mpx At the price of about 45euro and it is much better than that overrated hikvision. I will be liquidating all other HV in favour of these Chinese ones in the near future. By the way, these also record audio :-)
  • #22 21828859
    Mateusz_konstruktor
    Level 37  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    Have you also come across this type of electronic trap in online shops?

    Yes, such a situation has happened to me. I described the case in my article A microSD card reader from an auction portal: test and summary of the whole construction . Marketed as operating at USB version 2.0 speeds, the reader turned out to operate at speeds adequate to the obsolete version 1.0.
  • #23 21829531
    LEDówki
    Level 43  
    Try this charger to charge a liion cell, or a pack, or a liion battery. I wish you good luck...
    Note to the Author - QC (quick charge) does not support voltage negotiation!!! Such inventions are supported by the PD (power delivery) standard developed for power supplies. Okay, I'm not extending this prompt because I'll generate too many tokens and the price will knock me off my pins.
    The test alone shows that it's not worth buying electrical junk made in Ch.R.L. or C.R.P.
  • #24 21829567
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    Probably Quick rather than Quck and rather negotiating:
    Wikipedia snippet defining Quick Charge (QC), mentioning USB power management and negotiating voltage.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_Charge
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  • #25 21829610
    LEDówki
    Level 43  
    This has changed... I correct the typo, oh shame.... Others should not be ashamed of their mistakes if they are so attached to them. A very good article, for the sake of clarity and to cut down on over-interpretation. Of course, electro-junk lovers will unabashedly buy this because it's cheap.
  • #26 21831397
    fred_onizuka
    Level 19  
    Kiermasz wrote:
    Give yourself comfort with fun parts for 4PLN before you ban that too.

    After all, I'm not in favour of banning sales, just that products should be honestly described and the buyer should know exactly what they are buying. I was convinced that this was unequivocally clear from my post <br/span>:)
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