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Difference between a T and a B + E driving license

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  • #31 13955149
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    That's exactly what I was saying. You can drive the tractor, but you have a set DMC limit.
    Hence, B + E is not equivalent to category T. Only it is overlapped to a certain extent.

    If you have a small "role" and a tractor with a trailer to transport half a ton of dung, you can.
    But if you have a farm and a large trailer for crops or other products or animals - it's better to do "T".
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  • #32 13955270
    Kpc21
    Level 24  
    As for me, with tractors, even with B + E, there is no DMC limit. Apart from what the tractor has in evidence, of course. See my bill quote with comments on the previous page.

    But I'm not a lawyer, I won't argue. The provisions of the act can be interpreted in two ways (I am inclined to my version), and whether any of these interpretations is more correct, a qualified lawyer is needed here.
  • #33 13955658
    sb1956
    Level 12  
    Maintaining the topic, I would like to point out that in order to meet the current regulations, the old Ursus C30 is at stake? weight 2150 kg plus the current agricultural trailer - 2000 kg, which means the total weight is below the allowable. From antiquity? Ursus C330 already weighs 2430 kg.
    On the other hand, of the current Polish tractors, each with a trailer exceeds the permitted weight. And some of them, such as the Ursus 15014 (weighs 6900 kg), cannot even be driven alone because their own weight exceeds the permissible standard.
    To sum up, the recipe is a bit archaic.
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  • #34 14054821
    zylax4
    Level 16  
    You cannot interpret simple rules. Since the limitation of 3.5 t applies to motor vehicles and an agricultural tractor is not such, it means that in category B you can drive a tractor with an undefined total weight and additionally pull a light trailer with a permissible total weight not exceeding 750 kg.
  • #35 14124189
    kult5
    Level 21  
    In practice, category B allows you to drive an agricultural tractor without a trailer or with agricultural machines attached to a lift. Due to the low weight of the trailer (750 kg), no one mentions it and no one with such a category plays with attaching such toys.
    When it comes to B + E, the new regulations have practically superseded making a category T driving license. To my question asked to the person conducting the course, whether the B + E category covers 100% of category T entitlements, the answer was negative, but it is not about tonnage matters, as he stubbornly claims Madrik but for the total length of the lien of vehicles.
    Category B + E allowed to move a tractor + trailer with a total length not exceeding 18.75 meters (car + tow truck - 16.5 m)
    When category T allowed to move Tractor + 2 trailers with a total length of 22 meters.
    This was the legal status in 2007. I have no idea whether the restrictions on the number of trailers and the total length of the vehicle combination for the B + E category have been lifted until today.
  • #36 14126290
    Kpc21
    Level 24  
    In 2007, a completely new act regulating the issue of authorizations to drive vehicles entered into force. Which has already been quoted several times here. So everything could have changed.

    Before writing a reply, the previous posts are read. It doesn't really bite, especially if the thread is 2 pages rather than 200.
  • #37 14126620
    kult5
    Level 21  
    I read and it follows that there are no limits to 1 trailer as it was before, but nowhere can I see the total length of the set. Probably because everyone puts only interesting clippings of the acts.
  • #38 14129338
    Kpc21
    Level 24  
    And what's the problem to open up the entire text of the bill and see if there is a limit to the length of the set?
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  • #39 14142833
    kult5
    Level 21  
    Advice like "google search"
    Here are ONLY the last changes and amendments to the act.
    http://orka.sejm.gov.pl/proc7.nsf/ustawy/1957_u.htm
    I have struggled with laws and regulations several times and I do not intend to waste any more time on it. If someone has time and head for such things, go ahead.
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  • #40 14143089
    sb1956
    Level 12  
    The cited act only mentions the entitlements of instructors and not the entitlements of the holders of a B or B + E driving license.
  • #42 14188813
    bogus9011
    Level 1  
    I recently made E to B category and with this set I can drive a car with a maximum weight of 3.5 tons and a trailer with an overrun brake with a maximum weight of 3.5 tons. So the whole set can be 7 tons. I know that in category B only, you can drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer, as long as agricultural produce is transported. For example, it is no longer allowed to transport wood from the forest. Such a concession is given by Polish law to farmers. I know from the example of my brother's case in court where the police wanted to give him a ticket for driving a tractor with a trailer in category B. The court refrained from doing this because of these concessions for farmers.
  • #43 14282046
    euzebiox
    Level 12  
    In the case of category B + E, the trailer with overrun brake cannot have more than ~ 2.6 tons of actual weight. Only a trailer with an air brake can have a real weight of 3.5t. It results from the regulations (coefficient 1.33). It should not be forgotten that in both cases the towing vehicle must also have a real weight of 3.5t. no less. It should also be remembered that in the case of category B itself, we are concerned by Art. 88 of the Highway Code, which specifies the curb weight of the towing vehicle and the permissible total weight of the trailer. If we have category B + E, we are subject to Art. 62 of the Highway Code, which specifies the actual total weight of the towing vehicle and the actual total weight of the trailer, in practice it even means that the trailer may have a higher permissible total weight in the evidence, but in fact it cannot weigh more than 3.5t together with the load. The Code is imprecise here, two articles (88 and 62) are somewhat inconsistent with each other because Art. 62 can also be applied to category B itself, after all, it also refers to a car vehicle up to 3.5 tons. and "allows" this article to do something other than Art. 88. There is no reservation in any of these articles that they contradict each other, as it is in other cases, so theoretically one can stick to Art. 62 which allows for a bit more to the holder of category B. because pursuant to Art. 62 theoretically, you can drive the maximum set of 1.75 t + 1.75 t and pursuant to art. 88 e.g. with a 2.0t + 1.5t set. In the first case, it is possible to drive a combination with a heavier trailer with an air brake. This arrangement can be found in theory, but the law allows it. It does not change the fact that a person without training can drive any trailer that is worse than light (heavy), which is a far-reaching misunderstanding for me.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the differences between driving licenses B + E and T in the context of operating agricultural tractors and trailers. The B + E license allows driving a tractor with a trailer, but is subject to a total weight limit of 3.5 tons, including the trailer. In contrast, the T license permits driving tractors with one or two trailers without weight restrictions, specifically for slow-moving vehicles. Users emphasize that while B + E allows for towing light trailers, it does not equate to the broader capabilities of the T license, which is essential for professional tractor operation. The conversation also touches on legal interpretations and practical implications of these licenses in agricultural settings.
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