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Determining Ivory Material on a Pre-War Piano: Chemical Testing and Other Methods

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How can I tell whether the white material on old piano keys is really ivory, and can it be identified with a chemical test?

You can’t confirm ivory with a simple chemical test, because vinegar or acetic acid will also attack bone, so it only tells you the material is a calcified animal material, not definitively ivory [#8643522] [#8644612] If you try that method, test a scrap first, and note that 10% food vinegar may be too weak; concentrated acetic acid was suggested instead [#8644612] To rule out plastic, a hot needle can quickly show whether it melts, but that still won’t prove it is bone or ivory [#18461776] Other suggested checks are a microscope, density, and UV light; ivory/bone were described as having stripes and dots rather than pores [#18461776] If you need a firm identification, ask someone experienced such as a jeweler or customs officer, who may recognize it immediately [#18458209] [#8749273]
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  • #1 8643471
    niikii
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    Hello
    Hey guys, I've acquired a pre-war piano and would like to sell it, but I'm afraid the keys are covered in ivory (someone tried to remove the cream finish on some of the keys).
    Do you know any way to check if what is there is actually ivory? Can it be tested chemically? Maybe ivory reacts to something in a specific way?

    Regards and waiting for suggestions.
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  • #2 8643522
    bestboy21
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    It will certainly start to "dissolve" in contact with vinegar .... but that's every bone.
  • #3 8644612
    ziemek56
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    How to check if a pearl is real? (bone too)
    1 - Drop into concentrated acetic acid
    2 - we are waiting ......
    3 - how did it dissolve WAS true :)

    Check on a scrap. 10% vinegar (food grade) may not be enough for the test.
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  • #4 8645006
    bestboy21
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    ziemek56 wrote:
    How to check if a pearl is real? (bone too)
    1 - Drop into concentrated acetic acid
    2 - we are waiting ......
    3 - how did it dissolve WAS true :)

    Check on a scrap. 10% vinegar (food grade) may not be enough for the test.


    Vinegar can be frozen, acetic acid freezes at -16, water is known, ice cubes and concentrated vinegar will form in the bottle when thawing. This vinegar will be little (after all, it's 10%). By chance, don't put a glass bottle in the freezer, I won't clean your fridge :lol:

    It seems to me that the ivory should have been wiped from the fingers if this piano was used. Not literally wiped off, but there are other marks on the bone like some kind of plastic.
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  • #5 8645730
    niikii
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    I'll try next weekend. I will write the results.

    But I am open to other suggestions.

    I can send some photos of this piano to interested parties.
  • #6 8749273
    rafcio838383
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    hello, I am also looking for something where I could find out how to recognize ivory, well, I bought some time ago in a junk shop (I love them) the buddha figurine is not too big but I am 90% convinced that it is made of ivory I miss the 10% up to 100% :) well, I guess the only thing left is a jeweler, if I find one who will know his stuff, I'm curious how much such a figurine is worth, if it's natural ivory, if I have the opportunity, I'll take a picture of it. it is made of full bone, you can see the jars in the base, and there is a core in the middle on the top of the buddha's head, there is also a dot or a core (at least it seems to me), the buddha is also after the cut, there are slight cracks after that, ok, I'm not bored, as the pictures will be I will show you greetings...
  • #7 18456980
    dark972
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    I found your post by accident. And what is ivory or plastic?
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  • #8 18458209
    palmus
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    Look for someone from the customs service in the area. He will 100% recognize it.
    They are very sensitive to it.
  • #9 18458298
    dark972
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    I found a little figurine. .a sidewalk exhibition in Germany. In the cardboard box was an almost new backpack that interested me (I still have it ;) . There were also old toys, stuffed animals, figurines. Clearly someone left it in the trash.
    Ok. I will try with vinegar.
  • #10 18461776
    Fourier5
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    The first is a microscope, the fangs have stripes and dots, not pores like other types of bones. The second is density, the third is uv light.

    A hot needle can quickly tell if it's plastic or not. It won't confirm it's bone, but it can rule it out.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around methods to determine if the keys of a pre-war piano are made of ivory, particularly after attempts to remove a cream finish. Participants suggest using vinegar for chemical testing, noting that ivory will dissolve in concentrated acetic acid, while also advising caution with the concentration used. Other methods mentioned include examining the material under a microscope for specific markings, checking density, and using UV light. A hot needle test can help differentiate between plastic and bone, although it won't confirm the material as ivory. Additionally, consulting a customs officer or a jeweler is recommended for expert identification.
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