Best Migomat Options: Bester vs Telwin - Top Models Under PLN 3,000 to Consider for Purchase

Hello
It's time to buy which migomat to choose? what company Bester, Telwin and what model up to PLN 3,000.

Hello
From my own experience I recommend OZAS migomats (reliable and pure copper vignette transformers), but these are already available as products from the so-called surplus because the factory in Opole was taken over by the Swedish ESAB, but still there they produce nice ORINGO series migrants. The transformers are coiled copper on primary and secondary aluminum. You have to admit that these are migomats for professional use and you can weld all day without long breaks, I advise you not to buy single-phase migomats (in supermarkets there are usually inventions that every now and then turn off due to exceeding the temperature) better results are achieved on 3-phase hits.
Regards

Hello
There are a lot of companies on the market, but when it comes to tig, it's just an invector and pure gas, I agree that for 3 phases
I have already processed Ozas and I am not satisfied with the stability of welding, this company pays too much attention to tradition, and not just about the quality of the weld
Regards

Hello.
I see that there is such a topic, so I will not start a new one, I need to buy a migomat quite quickly, it will be used mainly for car bodywork and paint jobs.

Welded sheets are usually 0.8mm and 1.0mm, but it would be good if you could also weld sheets well, starting from 0.5mm.

I'm thinking about TELWIN.
There are only two models:
195/2 - PLN 2050
183/2 - PLN 2,150

Only 195/2 is for 240V and 400V and I do not know if this is a good solution, especially when it comes to regulating the current, they write that it is from 30 to 200A, but 30A is available at what voltage? 240 or 400V?
The current at 60% is 80A
In addition, this model has 8 levels of regulation, only positions 7 - 8 coincide with positions 1 - 2, and there is an additional switch that can be used to switch the adjustment positions from 1 to 6 and from 7 to 8. I can't find anywhere how it is current regulation at 240 and 400 supplies.
I am afraid that items 1 to 6 are not to 240V, and 7 to 8 to strength.

Whereas TELMIG 183/2
It is powered only on 400V, adjustable current from 30 to 180A, 5 positions.
This one weighs 46 kg, the first one weighs 38 kg.
Working current 60%: 90A
Only now, the question is, I weld with 30A on strength, and in the first one, I do not know if the 30A is for strength or 240V, because if 240V it may be a problem with good welding with this current, and maybe sometimes the minimum current is 60A ??

For example, Bester 1801 has a given current regulation range from 40 to 160A, but by force the range narrows from 80 to 160A. Apparently, welding at 240V at the lowest currents is troublesome, and the welds come out perfectly to the end.

Unless Telwiny welds better at 240V than the testers, but I have strength, and I would like to use the welder at 400V. So he has to weld with small currents also in force.
Are the two Telwin models different, which is better? And how this current regulation in Telwin 195/2 works.

Regards
Personally, I think Mag is a bad idea to weld such a thin sheet. Tig even a bad idea is better and the weld does not require much machining. But if it has to be Mag, shield welding only with a mixture of inert gases. I recommend domestic products because of the price and quality, parts are also inexpensive.
On the other hand, the most precise regulations are, unfortunately, invectors are expensive but not unreliable.
january005

That's what I was wondering between BESTER and TELWIN.
Actually, I was determined for the 1801 bester, but I found information on the forum that Telwin fuses much better than the bester, and so now I am closer to Telwin.

I can buy it in the store, I do not have to go to the Allegro, and the seller says that there is no problem with the service when it comes to TELWIN welding machines.

The equipment will not be used on a daily basis, only from time to time.

Mainly, the migomat is to be used for repairing the chassis, welding the fender, replacing the sill, inserting the repair.

I don't know if TIG will be the best for these jobs?

Personally, so far I have welded with an ordinary electrode welder, but to weld 1.0mm sheet metal was already an art. I also borrowed a migomat bester, I do not know what model, only 380V, is about 8 years ago, max power. 150A.
4-step regulation, it welded quite well, but in the 1st current position there were problems, but it was possible to weld the floor in the car without any problems.

I also had some Chinese monophasic migomat, and it was impossible to work with normally.

I haven't welded TIG yet at all, I would have to learn.
And what is cheaper TIG or MAG welding?
What would be more practical when welding, let's give this floor in the car?

A moment ago I found out that Telwin has ALUMINUM windings!?!?!?

So what now, Aluminum is about to break?

So BESTER 1801 will be better?
BESTER 190 would be the best, but it costs a lot of PLN 3300.

But where to buy this Bester?
Kupczyk on Allegro sells for PLN 2169 with delivery, + cylinder, + wire 5 kg, + mask + reducer.
It is in Obi for PLN 1850 + wire, without a reducer, cylinder and mask.

Only the market ones are said to be defective, so how do you know them, how do they look the same on the outside? And on the Allegro, what are the market's normal tears ??

These 220/380 bests are also on aluminum, I have one at work and I will say that the exhausts are welded perfectly and at home I have a midi mig 210 and it is also wound with aluminum and I am not entirely satisfied with it, but I did not manage to do it. overheat
I find it a bit annoying to ignite the arc, but it cooks nicely at full power
Do not buy on 220V because it is not welding if you want something decent, it is only a three-phase tube
I used to weld industrie 250A and it welded very nicely and now I would buy one

Hello
After a long reflection, I decided to do it myself again, but this time it was a breeze for myself. I was supposed to buy ESAB 250A but the prices are crazy, the cheapest PLN 3450 and the standard 3750 bad, yes, 3F with 250A current with over 60% filling (both windings, i.e. primary and secondary copper vignettes) will cost around PLN 1600, for this a four-roller wire feeder for PLN 300 and the output cable for about PLN 200 and 6 thyristors on the secondary side for better regulation of welding parameters. After summing up all the costs, the total amount should be PLN 2,500. Savings a lot and parameters much better than in the store ones. And the whole control to be done by yourself
If someone has an idea of what and how, I recommend this solution

And I recommend Kempia Minarc Mig 200, a slightly higher price - over 4,000. PLN but with full synergy, portable, light, welded with any wire + braze welding.
Yes, it also has some limitations, because 200 A in 30% of the cycle, but 100 A in continuous and, of course, it is for 5 kg of a roll, which rather excludes it for production works, but for repairs, renovations, housework, workshops, it is OK. For me, this is the perfect equipment.

solar744 wrote:

Hello
After a long reflection, I decided to do it myself again, but this time it was a breeze for myself. I was supposed to buy ESAB 250A but the prices are crazy, the cheapest PLN 3450 and the standard 3750 bad, yes, 3F with 250A current with over 60% filling (both windings, i.e. primary and secondary copper vignettes) will cost around PLN 1600, for this a four-roller wire feeder for PLN 300 and the output cable for about PLN 200 and 6 thyristors on the secondary side for better regulation of welding parameters. After summing up all the costs, the total amount should be PLN 2,500. Savings a lot and parameters much better than in the store ones. And the whole control to be done by yourself
If someone has an idea of what and how, I recommend this solution

Personally and from experience, I know that ESABY or OZASY at the professional level start at 280A. I would say that the 250A version is a semi-professional product + what you have to pay for it.

Everyone has their own way of life and their choices. You will do it yourself, you will have satisfaction and joy, you will buy something decent - also. But I am an advocate of buying, because I do not have time to plan, I just prefer to lie down when I have time and not all my life, but create and patch up miracles.
Coming back to the topic, I am really pleased with the Kemppi MinarcMig 200, full synergy that works like clockwork. Recently I can see that they are getting a little cheaper and already around 4,000. are available for purchase.
Some of my colleagues have this model of mine, how does it look like after a long period of welding?

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Here I put the Kemppi MinarcMig dtr

I would like to add that in my opinion, when it comes to power supply, it is only 230 V, the greatest advantage is mobility, even if it is a backyard or a trip to the customer, there are already dilemmas and if there is still a power supply from the aggregate, it is a bigger problem.
200 And even in the 35% cycle it is really a lot, 100% at 100% it is almost a rough job.
Well, because here, of course, we are not talking about a production company because it is not the league.

It's been a few years since the last entry, new migomats have certainly appeared, and perhaps the quality of the companies has deteriorated, so what migomat do you recommend today?

- Various welding - flat bars, angles, profiles (walls 2mm, 3mm, 4mm, 5mm)
- Welding daily (7-8 hours)
- Good company (I prefer to pay extra and have a good migomat for years)
- 400V power supply

Forehead,

I will refresh the topic, there is a need to buy a migomat, first the thresholds in Astra will be replaced, then it will be useful when building a house.
Two suggestions:
- mine, Bester MIG190C Multi MMA MIG TIG Lift
https://bester-sklep.pl/polautomat-spawalniczy-bester-mig190c-multi.html
- a friend,


The price is similar, mine has additionally MMA and TIG methods, the only question is whether the welding function itself from mine corresponds to the one from my friend?
If nothing is missing, then for many more I have two additional options

I bought this type of mine, it is currently on promotion at Leroy Merlin, a discount of PLN 1,350, a good thing.
I started with welding the cracked fastening of the seat in the car, for a 20-year break in welding, I did quite well
The welder also did a great job, it is flawless

Hi.
Now I'm reheating the cutlet, because there are too many of all these devices and you can go crazy.
Until now, I welded everything with an old 3-phase transformer welder, i.e. with alternating current, mainly with rutile electrodes 6013, thickness 3.2 or 4. I do not remember the power of the welder, but it is not suitable for welding thinner metals.

I want to buy myself something to weld thinner things. Some profiles, tubes, compressors, sandblasters, hydraulic presses with time, probably some mufflers or sheet metal work in the car in their own toys or finally sleeping on a buggy / horse car.
Initially, I thought about the migomat, but I also didn't know which one.
Later I came across semi-automatic welding machines and I thought it was a very good idea, because when I buy one device, I can already weld with the MIG / MAG method, with an MMA electrode and I can already think about tig lift welding.

Initially, I thought about:
- the smallest equipment and here the seller said that a higher model would be better for welding sheets in cars, and here the price is tempting, because there will not be much of this welding anyway. In this one, I was tempted by opinions about a fairly well-developed automatic mode. https://allegro.pl/oferta/spawarka-migomat-torros-mig200-synergia-3w1-m2010-10678498408 and here the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mmVKnZo2g
- a higher model that is suitable for most, but because of my friend's opinion, I gave up a bit, apparently it had a big problem to sleep the exhaust (probably from acid), this automatic mode had to be edited in its own way and in the end he took his 3-phase migrate and finished the job. https://allegro.pl/oferta/spawarka-migomat-mig-200-synergia-puls-3-tryby-8271908243 and here the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vow9MheQYnE
- I also saw this bester, which my friend mentioned above, and I liked it, the opinions were rather good. https://bester-sklep.pl/polautomat-spawalniczy-bester-mig190c-multi.html
- with something like this for amateur applications, there is nothing to overdo it? https://www.bester-sklep.pl/inwertorowy-polautomat-spawalniczy-bester-210mp.html

The advantage of the bestseller is definitely the fact that I will rather always find spare parts. Torros is a bit unknown to me.
I will definitely use a migomat and an electrode welder. The question is why the TIG LIFT function is useful for me, because with real tig and welding, e.g. aluminum, for which you need alternating current, if I'm not mistaken, probably not too much in common (yes, I know it's not easy).

And in the end, I wonder whether to go for something automatic, such as 3-in-1, whether to buy 2 separate devices, a migomat and an inverter welder, or maybe try to buy a fairly easy-to-use TIG, but also not some crap (to be used for 30 years)
I will not get rid of a transformer welder.

Hi,
I recommend Bester, I have already had a tin plate with mine and the right side of the car (sills, a piece of floor and a corner behind the rear wheel), I do not complain.
So far I have welded with 0.8 mm self-shielding wire, for thinner and slightly crunched metal sheets in the car it is not very much (maybe it's also a matter of bad settings, although I tried different ones), from tomorrow I am taking the left side of the car but this time I have gas and classic wire, also Bestera, 0.6mm.
From what I've read, this should help.
Why Bester?
I saw a diametrical difference in welding with, for example, Bester wire and some other, probably Marshal, kind of good and in general, but he puked around horribly, when it ended, I bought the more expensive Bester with no other choice, as he took away with his hand, it welded elegantly.

PS
Even my 11-year-old son did well

I'ts cool
I tweaked the settings a bit and no longer burns, no vomiting and the spot welds come out elegant.

For information, I will leave it here, 2mm galvanized sheet against the floor in my car, i.e. no data ;)

Amateur welds


On such settings


Bester 0.6mm wire, Argon gas 82% CO2 18%.

Not comparable to the previous self-shielding wire.

Parowy wrote:

Not comparable to the previous self-shielding wire.

This shield wire was in an inverter or a transformer? I am just going to buy flashing on the protective wire - amateur / garage work

MM2X wrote:

This shield wire was in an inverter or a transformer?

It seems to me that in the inventory, I think there is no other option in my blink, I will check later.

MM2X wrote:

I am just going to buy flashing on the protective wire - amateur / garage work

And modern migomats do not have the option of welding with both types of wire?
For me, I only had to change the polarity to self-shielding and wio, for gas welding minus to mass, to self-shielding - the other way around.

Edyta:
On the Bestera website, next to my welding machine, it says "inverter technology".

Parowy wrote:

It seems to me that in the inventory, I think there is no other option in my blink, I will check later.

Trafo old type, new transistors, lighter.

Parowy wrote:

And modern migomats do not have the option of welding with both types of wire?

They have, only I need to weld thin sheet metal 2-3 times a year and therefore I only want a shield wire without a cylinder, without MMA, etc., light about 5 kg, I will probably choose PIFDS 120 A1, 120 A.

See the differences in the weld when using the shield wire and then the bare wire + co2 / argon?

MM2X wrote:

See the differences in the weld when using the shield wire and then the bare wire + co2 / argon?

I see huge, how thin are these sheets?

Self-shielding plate welding was ok, but only Bester, the thinnest angles 2mm thick.
The sheet metal in the car was a massacre, I did not find a self-shielding wire thinner than 0.8 mm, it was the likely reason, a thinner wire (0.6 mm) needs less current to blend in nicely with the material without burning holes, I read it somewhere and it worked .

Parowy wrote:

I see huge, how thin are these sheets?

Recently, I had a 1mm railing for a balcony railing, we are talking here about a garage amateur ,

Parowy wrote:

I did not find a self-shielding wire thinner than 0.8 mm, it was probably the reason, thinner wire (0.6mm) needs less current to blend nicely with the material,

I actually searched the net and can't find 0.6mm either.

Parowy wrote:

Self-shielding plate welding was ok, but only Bester, the thinnest angles 2mm thick.

I weld 2mm with an ordinary MMA electrode

Parowy wrote:

For information, I will leave it here, 2mm galvanized sheet against the floor in my car, i.e. no data ;)

Amateur welds


On such settings


Bester 0.6mm wire, Argon gas 82% CO2 18%.

Not comparable to the previous self-shielding wire.

this is what drunk welding XD looks like

pawe3k wrote:

this is what drunk welding XD looks like

There is something to it, but it was only one canned cold :D

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MM2X wrote:

I weld 2mm with an ordinary MMA electrode

Well, she's not such an amateur

Parowy wrote:

pawe3k wrote:

this is what drunk welding XD looks like

There is something to it, but it was only one canned cold :D

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MM2X wrote:

I weld 2mm with an ordinary MMA electrode

Well, she's not such an amateur

I'm not saying that an amateur only looks like a per mille, sir, you won't be able to see it

or immediately change to polished material

And I am not writing about you