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Loss of Car Power, Engine Fluctuations, White Smoke: Gasoline Engine Compression at 9bar

Albert23_08_1988 53690 20
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  • #1 9089040
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    Hello!
    My problem is that the car has completely lost its power!
    The situation is like this:
    -auto fires well
    -rotation does not fluctuate
    - feel slight engine fluctuations, but not noticeable on the tachometer (on the computer about 50RPM and not always)
    -After warming up, the car likes to smoke white, but only after it stands at low speed for a dozen or so minutes and gives it more gas
    - the refrigerant is not diminishing
    - the oil is not decreasing, it is not increasing
    - there is no butter under the cork
    -compression on the cylinders oscillates around 9bar !!
    8.8 => 10.2 => 9.2 => 9.8 => 9.2 and after the last measurement (2 weeks from the previous one), the second cylinder showed 9.6
    -the engine had new GOETZE rings installed, about 30,000 km ago
    -after adding oil to the cylinder, compression increases significantly
    -Oil used to be castrol magnatec 10w40 and now lotus 10w40

    And here's my question, did the rings go to "make love"?
    And could only these compression rings wear out after 30kkm and those from the oil would not?
    Stuck rings?
    Camshaft misaligned?
    Valves burned out?
    UPG?
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  • #2 9089080
    Blicek
    Level 26  
    It does not write what engine. Have only rings been replaced, without processing of the sleeves?
  • #3 9089129
    parker000
    Level 12  
    Hello, there are two options:
    - rings (someone might have installed it wrongly), (possibly they sold you fakes)
    - burned out valves in the head (a common problem when driving on LPG) (strange that on all cylinders,
    if the pressure during the oil test increases quite significantly, this is against the rings,
    there is still, but it is rarely possible that the timing has shifted, although once I had such a case in the 1.6 Vectra engine.
    provide more information, maybe someone will suggest what is easier to do
    I propose to check the timing, if not then you need to tear the head
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  • #4 9089144
    przem27
    Level 30  
    Write what car with what engine before you pull anything out.
    greet
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  • #5 9089157
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    Fiat Bravo HGT 2.0 20V engine
    prod 96
    bushings, rings, planned head, machining of valve seats, lapping, sealants, etc. were replaced.
    block and shaft alignment, new spacer rings,
    the block was measured in the factory and the threshold was within tolerance (not palpable by bare hand) and therefore no machining of the sleeve was performed.
    rings worn with the rule of 90 °
    and if the timing is changed, the oil test should not show anything ?? after all, the valves are not closed then and the pressure goes into the intake / exhaust ??
  • #6 9089190
    parker000
    Level 12  
    yes here, if there was no change when pouring the oil, the valves were suspended, and if it was the fault, it lies on the side of the rings
  • #7 9089211
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    that is, a changed valve timing and burned out valves can be excluded ??
    what about the rings ?? since the car does not take oil ??
    but he smokes white (only on warm).
  • #8 9089276
    Przemo9826
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Albert23_08_1988 wrote:
    the block was measured in the factory and the threshold was within tolerance (not palpable by bare hand) and therefore no machining of the sleeve was performed.


    What does it mean?

    Especially what you wrote in parentheses.
  • #9 9089315
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    after dismantling the engine, we "felt" the cylinders and found that there were no sills, and therefore the decision was made to overhaul the engine.
    the block went to the machining plant for alignment. and there they measured the cylinders in terms of these thresholds and found that it is within the tolerance, so they did not grind the sleeves.
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  • #10 9089368
    Przemo9826
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    What is the reason for the engine overhaul?
  • #11 9089376
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    the cup went
    I will add that the crankshaft, 1 connecting rod, 1 piston, a set of bearings, a set of rings, UPG, shaft gear, timing belt, etc. have been replaced
  • #12 9089405
    Przemo9826
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    The pressures you entered apply to one cylinder?

    Edit, okay I know, there are 5 cylinders, that's why you entered five values.
  • #13 9089466
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    1. 8.8
    2. 10.2
    3. 9.2
    4. 9.8
    5. 9,2


    after 2 weeks I measured again 2. 9.6
  • #14 9089609
    Przemo9826
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    There were assembly / work direction markings on the rings?
  • #15 9089665
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    and, unfortunately, I do not know that ... I didn't put them on, when I came, they inserted the last piston, using the appropriate collar.
  • #16 9089685
    romoo
    User under supervision
    You had to roughen the finish at least.
    Yes, it is not known how what happened.


    88-year-old grandmother rarely gets along with a teenager.
  • #17 9089716
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    romoo wrote:
    It was necessary to roughen the finish at least.
    Yes, it is not known how what happened.


    88-year-old grandmother rarely gets along with a teenager.


    can it be a bit brighter?
  • #18 9089801
    romoo
    User under supervision
    Ok, was ovalization measured?
  • #19 9089853
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    I do not know anything...
  • #20 9089909
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    An engine for professional renovation. This is usually how the rings are replaced. I am closing, there is no need to guess here.
  • #21 11651103
    Albert23_08_1988
    Level 10  
    welcome back.
    topic solved some time ago.
    compression problem solved. the culprit was a wrong timing setting.
    the exhaust shaft gear should become loose and properly retracted.
    when properly adjusted, compression is around 13 bar with minimal fluctuations.

    and as for the oval. this is how it was measured in a plant that aligned the block with the crankshaft and made spacer half rings. dimension was found to be normal and nothing was honed.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a Fiat Bravo HGT 2.0 20V experiencing significant power loss, slight engine fluctuations, and white smoke after idling. The user reports a compression range of 8.8 to 10.2 bar across the cylinders, with a notable increase in compression when oil is added. Various potential causes are explored, including improperly installed piston rings, burnt valves, and timing issues. The user confirms that the engine underwent extensive repairs, including new GOETZE rings and machining of components. Ultimately, it was determined that the compression issue was due to incorrect timing settings, which, when corrected, resulted in improved compression readings of around 13 bar.
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