Buying a Vander Eccentric Sander: Comparing Performance, Quality & Reliability to Makita & B&D

And how about these two milling machines. Makita RT0700CX2J 710W and VFR710 VANDER milling machines look almost the same, the only noticeable difference is the upper plastic cover of both milling machines, all attachments are compatible, I wonder if this Vader has the same motor (sizes) because they even have exactly the same same parameters?

Mikrob wrote:

And how about these two milling machines. Makita RT0700CX2J 710W and VFR710 VANDER milling machines look almost the same, the only noticeable difference is the upper plastic cover of both milling machines, all attachments are compatible, I wonder if this Vader has the same motor (sizes) because they even have exactly the same same parameters?

Read post # 30 carefully, there is an answer.

I don't think you understood me, I wrote if it has the same mechanical parameters, dimensions, I know that the quality is definitely worse, but if this Makita counterfeit fails, you could replace the entire engine and bearings from Makita and have solid equipment

Mikrob wrote:

I know that the quality is definitely worse, but if this Makita counterfeit fails, you could replace the entire Makita motor and bearings and have solid equipment

Of course, it is only better and cheaper to buy Makita's equipment right away - at least you will save yourself nerves and time.

Hello
And I must say that I have Vander miter saws purchased in 2012
it runs smoothly, no slack to the sides
I'm proud in general

How much work has she done already?

Personally, I'm happy with it.

I'm looking for a milling machine for one hand and I'm thinking about Vander,
they have a lot of options for such a price

Is there any Vander VFR 710 milling machine user here at all?

tadek125 wrote:

milling machine for one hand and I'm thinking about Vander,
a lot of starters

I finally bought this one: Makita RT0700CX2J 710W practically this Vander is an exact copy of this Makita set, only there is no pakmak (I think that's what this equipment box is called) as for the quality, it will turn out to be 3 times more Makita, but apparently the quality the materials are also better, the workmanship is hard to tell in the pictures it looks like it was made in one factory on the same machines, only the colors are different. Unfortunately, Makita is also not 100% perfect, for example, to cut out a circle, it is written in the instructions to drive a nail where the center should be and a guide can be used, only that there is a hole over 6 mm in it, so the accuracy will be like a large nail we cut. For such a good company's equipment, it's a bit of a mockery. We'll see what will happen with other works or if such trifles will be missing, there is not even one cutter in the set for testing, it's a pity that Makita can't afford such gifts. Overall, I'm not quite sure what would be better yet.

Are Vander and Yato batteries the same? I want to buy a Vander device and I have Yato batteries.

I don't know if Vander is junk. It's a waste of battery for this crap.

Is it so bad with Vander?

When I read it, I come to the conclusion that here only amateurs of new supermarkets write what they want very cheap new and solid equipment, it's like water and fire irreconcilable.
Where will it spread, such technical indolence, buy one with the other branded used equipment, you'll find out that it will survive supermarkets, but for this you need a bit of knowledge and courage because the old ugly one with no warranty, etc.

prezmulti wrote:

Is it so bad with Vander?

Yes.
To this day I have a Vander screwdriver, of course damaged. Unfortunately, I do not have time to go to Rzeszów, where the reloading headquarters of this company from China is located, so that this screwdriver will be happy to spread ... against the wall in their facility. It was repaired several times under warranty and always broke down reliably within a dozen or so minutes of work. Since no job could be done with this tool, I offered the company to give me my money back and we parted without regrets. However, these bastards couldn't even afford to honorably return the PLN 200 (that's how much my screwdriver cost at the time). At the next failure, I just put it on the shelf because maybe someday I'll actually go to these crappies.
I hope that I will help you make the decision to resign from buying scrap from this company.

I wanted to buy something like this https://vander.pl/pilarka-do-galezi-vpa855/ but if this company is so bad, I think I'll let it go.

I know it would be best to buy something from a reputable company, but if someone needs it once in a while and not for continuous work, then a person wonders about the choice and since I already have Yato 18 V tools, I thought about something like this.
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My experience is as described, honestly.
The worst thing is that they just beat the client and believe me that if you plan your time and start the job and your tool fails here, it's bad. Okay, everything can go wrong. But not every now and then. What this scrap returned from the site, I immediately sent it back. In the end, I gave up, which I'm sure the Vander tanners were hoping for. The dog licked them...
Make a decision, after all, it's your money and the forum is for people to exchange experiences, also regarding the purchase and use of products of a specific company. I'm sure I won't buy anything from these grandparents and I won't waste my time to warn others who are considering buying tools from this company. The case with them is so bad that it concerns not only the poor quality of the product but also the reprehensible approach to the customer. They have a bag of free parts from China and a repair man so I'll patiently take the damaged scrap and repair it. Don't expect that they will give it back to you even a little earlier than the maximum date of the planned repair. So in the event of a failure, you are without a tool for 2 weeks + of course, add shipping time.

And do you think Yato will be a better choice? https://toya24.pl/product-pol-10016865-CHAIN-SAW-4-18V-WITHOUT-BATTERY.html

I already have an 18V jigsaw and it's ok too
I have an 18 volt drill too
I have an 18V hedge trimmer - it's ok
I have an 18V pruner - it's ok
everything Yato

Aren't Yato and Vander the same?

NO.
If you have Yato equipment and you are satisfied, and you have a Yato battery, don't even think about it and buy Yato, even more expensive. That's my opinion. Why buy another company's product when you're happy with yours? Especially now that I've described the problem with Vander.

I'll do that, thanks for the tip

Look, scrap Vander you have for PLN 600:
link
It's better to add PLN 50 and buy Stihl:
link
This is the best example from the net. You can search more carefully, maybe you will get something more branded on sale. However, since you have a Yato battery, it probably makes the most sense to buy a tool from this company for PLN 244 without a battery, especially since you will use it occasionally. You will reconnect the battery for the duration of work and that's it. You save PLN 250.

prezmulti wrote:

I'll do that, thanks for the tip

No problem, I wish you a good decision and a successful purchase.

Dolce wrote:

Look, scrap Vander you have for PLN 600:
link
It's better to add PLN 50 and buy Stihl:
link

"Example" is wrong.
The Vader from the given link is powered by an 18V battery and will work somehow.

Whereas Sthil only 10.6V. In a word, it's weak and I wouldn't buy it.
It's just a toy.

Dolce wrote:

However, since you have a Yato battery, it probably makes the most sense to buy a tool from this company for PLN 244 without a battery, especially since you will use it occasionally. You will reconnect the battery for the duration of work and that's it. You save PLN 250.

This is a good idea and a real saving.

LightOfWinter wrote:

"Example" is wrong.
The Vader from the given link is powered by an 18V battery and will work somehow.

Whereas Sthil only 10.6V. In a word, it's weak and I wouldn't buy it.
It's just a toy.

Weak is Vander because it is a weak company from China.

Yes, and in countries where the mains voltage is 110V, devices by definition have 2x less power than in Poland
Stihl will draw more current at a lower voltage at any given time.

Both chainsaws are intended for small works in the garden, here is an example video from Stihl's work to illustrate what it is intended for:
link
As you can see, this "toy" is very handy, light and easy to manoeuvre.
These are her advantages, not the fact that she has to cut down oaks.

Vander is generally crap, regardless of what voltage it works on.
The battery will also be crap in this crowd.
This is my opinion, I had Vander equipment and the dubious "pleasure" of using this company's website, which I described above.

However, we agree that for a prezmulti friend who already has Yato equipment, it is best to simply buy a Yato saw for PLN 244 without the battery he already has.

Dolce wrote:

Weak is Vander because it is a weak company from China.

As for the Vader company, I have a different opinion.
I have a cordless drill driver bought cheaply a few years ago and it works just fine.
I am satisfied with this equipment :)

As I wrote equipment powered by a 10.6V battery is weak and the brand is irrelevant here . Sthil - yes, it's a good company, but a 10.6V toy is not worth the money .

What about devices powered by batteries for higher voltages.

Dolce wrote:

Stihl will draw more current at a lower voltage at any given time.

It will not.
Such batteries are made on industrial cells that have their maximum current and cannot charge more because the battery will go up in smoke.

On the other hand, a higher battery voltage gives a higher power available to the device, with the same or even slightly lower current drawn :)

Dolce wrote:

Vander is generally crap, regardless of what voltage it works on.

In my opinion, in this particular case, Vader with an 18V battery would work much better than a toy Sthil powered by 10.6V :)

Although when buying a battery device, I would definitely choose a different company than the 2 above. Probably Yato or Dedra.

It is just that branded equipment uses cells with such parameters that have the appropriate current efficiency.
It's not such a big deal to put a few more powerful 18650 cells in the battery, especially since you can see that the company has developed a small, lightweight and ergonomic model. I don't think they made it cheaper on a few links, because it wouldn't make any sense at all. There are fewer cells due to the lower operating voltage because it is supposed to be compact.
But Vander, I'd agree about the industrials.
In the video you can see that Stihl is doing well in garden work, that's what it's designed for. Isn't that the point?

On Allegro I saw a tempting bevel for about 1500 zl. Evaluations with 250, most of the buyers strongly praise.At a similar price is Metabo, but fi disc has a larger. What to think about it
PS. Just because brand-name companies produce in China does not mean that they make it out of crap.What is different is the independent production of the Chinese.

palmus wrote:

On Allegro I saw a tempting slash for about 1500 zl. Evaluations with 250, most shoppers strongly praise. At a similar price is Metabo, but the fi of the disc has larger. What to think about it
PS. Just because brand-name companies produce in China does not mean that they make it out of crap. What's different is the independent production of the Chinese.

1. Digging 2. The brand remains the brand. I would choose Metabo. Chinese can be bought as much as possible for home use if it has good reviews and is cheap enough.
Manufacturing in China is governed by its own laws, if there is to be high quality you have to pay for it accordingly.

How many people, so many opinions. I used to work in a gardening wholesaler and I know that even Husqvarna is assembled in China. I advise you to check the paperwork before buying. And I prefer to pay 3 x less for equipment assembled in China. Sorry, maybe I misspelled it - the inscription literally reads "Made in China".

Folded, not manufactured.There is a difference.

Yato, Vander, Worcraft are mostly the same equipment just in different colours. (Sometimes also Blaupunkt, but it has two systems.) There are differences, so sometimes if something is missing in one system, you can reach for another.
Of these, Yato is the cheapest, which is why I started collecting Yato.
I don't know what the differences are in terms of the approach to warranty service.

Of course, this is amateur equipment - contrary to what the salesmen say. 8 h on a construction site won't last. But for DIY it seems just right.

Earlier I was thinking of getting into some high end systems and buying second hand. E.g. Makita, which can be supplemented with compatible Chinese (Deko, Geko, Gisam, Drillpro and a few more as well as "Makita" in 7 colours, Makitta etc.). But it's not so easy to buy a little ridden used one. On OLX they are not cheap at all. So expensive that when I buy a new one on fv and deduct it from tax, it turns out that the difference is traceable.
I've also started to pick up a Bosch Professional 12-volt, but used ones are also very expensive. So for DIY I'm going to focus on Yato and possibly Dedra.

Maciej000000 wrote:

Of course it's amateur equipment - contrary to what vendors say. 8 hrs on site will not last.

It all depends on who uses it and how they use it.
There is a lot of discussion about equipment and brands e.g:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3953552.html