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Free Energy: Exploring and Discussing the Searl Generator's Magnets, Rings & Rollers

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  • #1 10116123
    haker201200
    Level 9  
    Hello everyone. Recently, I have become interested in Searl's generator. I just tinkered around and came to something like this:
    Free Energy: Exploring and Discussing the Searl Generator's Magnets, Rings & Rollers Free Energy: Exploring and Discussing the Searl Generator's Magnets, Rings & Rollers Free Energy: Exploring and Discussing the Searl Generator's Magnets, Rings & Rollers
    The whole thing is made of small magnets, rings and rollers. Everything holds up nicely to the ring. Write what you think about it and whether it makes any sense. How could I set it in motion now?
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  • #2 10116166
    tronics
    Level 38  
    Willpower ;) Or the great force that binds the universe together, in Polish translations, the power called and produced by midichlorians. But now a bit more seriously (a bit) - from what I saw in the videos, the device was first powered, and when it got going, "business-visionaries" claimed that it was spinning by itself, baaa, it can provide energy :P
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  • #4 10116269
    haker201200
    Level 9  
    I must have read all the available articles on the web. Even the ones in English. Unfortunately, there was no question of how to make a coil: what thickness of wire, what core ...
  • #5 10116297
    tronics
    Level 38  
    Of course you haven't found it, because there is no such information about a working generator. There is also no description of how this would work miraculously.
  • #6 10116520
    zimny8
    Level 33  
    haker201200 wrote:
    How could I set it in motion now?
    tronics wrote:
    Willpower :wink: Or the great force that binds the universe together, in Polish translations, the power called and produced by midichlorians.
    I will be more constructive - maybe with my hands, it will be the cheapest this way.

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    watch out for the ceiling
  • #7 11494137
    Alien_END
    Level 11  
    a generator as constructed as the seral was constructed is very difficult to make. The stator and rollers must be magnetized with a constant and alternating magnetic field to obtain the so-called magnetic paths. For this you still need to control it somehow. Some information on this in the file.
  • #8 11515259
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Alien_END wrote:
    The stator and rollers must be magnetized with a constant and alternating magnetic field to obtain the so-called magnetic paths.

    Nonsense already in assumptions.
    You can only magnetize something permanently with a constant magnetic field. There is no concept of magnetization with an alternating magnetic field. It is the same as if you want to magnetize something with alternating current - the effect is that you magnetize and demagnetize again and magnetize "in the opposite" direction. If you turn off the current flow, some residual magnetic field will remain in the material. Exactly the same magnetic field can be created with the help of direct current.
    See - magnetic hysteresis

    This proves that the one who published such wisdom has no idea about magnetism and the phenomena associated with it.
  • #9 11516859
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    08 Lis 2011 15:25 jankolo wrote:
    And were you also interested in this Searl article?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Searl
    It is gone - on the reasons for removing the articles: John Searl and Searl Effect Generator .
    Earlier discussion on the proposed deletion of the article Searl Effect Generator .
    There is a topic about Searl's generator Free Energy, Searla's Free Energy-Generator .
  • #10 11517765
    Alien_END
    Level 11  
    Quote:

    Nonsense already in assumptions.
    You can only magnetize something permanently with a constant magnetic field. There is no concept of magnetization with an alternating magnetic field ... This proves that the one who published such wisdom has no idea about magnetism and the phenomena associated with it.


    The alternating current added to the main direct magnetization current is used to create the stator and rollers magnetic tracks which are necessary for the SEG to work. Russians Roschin and Godin cleverly avoided this inconvenience by inserting small permanent magnets around the circumference of the stator and rollers :)
    As for the green concept, please address S. Gunnar Sandberg from the University of Sussex because he is the author of this study.

    Below you can see some devices and engineers who have nonsense in assumptions. Maybe write them an email with an explanation - don't let them waste your time and money :)

    Best wishes
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  • #11 11517841
    jankolo
    Rest in Peace
    Alien_END wrote:
    As for the green concept, please address S. Gunnar Sandberg from the University of Sussex because he is the author of this study.

    1. "This" or which?
    2. If you would like to indicate this study:
    http://www.rexresearch.com/searl/searl.htm
    then please pay attention to what was its purpose.
  • #12 11518083
    Alien_END
    Level 11  
    Quote:

    1. "This" or which?
    2. If you would like to indicate this study:
    http://www.rexresearch.com/searl/searl.htm
    then please pay attention to what was its purpose.


    Hmm ... I suggest scrolling to the beginning in this link because if my eyesight is correct, there is something like the title, and the title has it that explains what is written below :)
  • #13 11518106
    jankolo
    Rest in Peace
    And yet I will quote the first sentence of this memorable work:
    Quote:
    The objective of this report is to reconstruct the experimental work carried out between 1946 and 1956 by John RR Searl that concerns the geometry, materials used, and the manufacturing process of the Sear1-Effect Generator (SEG)

    Is it written somewhere that the purpose of this work is to start the constructed device? And does it say throughout this publication that the device described in it was built and put into operation?

    The second sentence of the above-mentioned work is also significant:
    Quote:
    The information given here is based on private communication between the author and Pearl and should be considered preliminary as further research and development may give reason to alter and / or update the content
  • #14 11518237
    Alien_END
    Level 11  
    Quote:

    Is it written somewhere that the purpose of this work is to start the constructed device? And does it say throughout this publication that the device described in it was built and put into operation?


    As for a working device, look for it on the Internet.

    Besides, why do you feel so distinguished that others have to prove something or convince them to something? I am certainly not one of them and I am not going to do so. Write yourself an email to seral magnetics ltd and they will write back if they work or not :)
  • #15 11518356
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    Someone from SEG's supporters sent me a photo, based on which I decided that it was fiction
    (he himself was convinced that the photo confirmed the operation of the SEG, but I detected that it remained
    faked) - so I think writing to "seral magnetics ltd" is unnecessary. From your discussion
    With jankolo I guess this "work" shows the same - so what else to write about?
    I have looked at this "work" - it describes a reconstruction of a Searl device, it does not
    nothing about trials being done, how it works, or what the results of any trials were.

    I found something else: http://www.newphysics.se/archives/keelynet/gravity/searle1.txt
    During the speech Searl said that Gunnar Sandberg (a scientist at
    Sussex University) had seen him demonstrate perpetual motion with
    his magnet bar and his magnetic rollers. Sandberg was not present at
    the speech.

    I visited Sandberg at Sussex University and asked him about the
    demonstration. Gunnar had seen the magnetic bar and the magnetic
    rollers, and Searl had told him a lot about them, but Searl had not
    demonstrated any unusual effects to him.

    In this case Searl was apparently not being truthful.

    I have the impression that this quote explains it without any doubt. ;)
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  • #16 11518429
    Alien_END
    Level 11  
    _jta_ wrote:
    Someone from SEG's supporters sent me a photo, based on which I decided that it was fiction
    (he himself was convinced that the photo confirmed the operation of the SEG, but I detected that it remained
    faked) - so I think writing to "seral magnetics ltd" is unnecessary. From your discussion
    With jankolo I guess this "work" shows the same - so what else to write about?


    Well, since jta on the elektroda.pl forum stated that he knows it better than Searl Magnetics ltd, I think that it convinces me 100%. Well, I think only me - so I bow my head and greet
  • #17 11518475
    jankolo
    Rest in Peace
    Alien_END wrote:
    Well, since jta on the elektroda.pl forum stated that he knows it better than Searl Magnetics ltd, I think that it convinces me 100%

    What convinces me to the highest qualifications of John Searl and his company Searl Magnetics is:
    The Californian free energy company, Searl Magnetics, seems to have made progress towards their goal of building a fully functional Searl Effect Generator
    (http://pesn.com/2011/12/20/9601991_Part-I_Searl_Magnetics_Nearing_Eureka/)
    Am I to understand that John Searl, the one who made a working Searl generator, now has a serious company and has been trying with the entire company for a long time to repeat what he himself did without success?
  • #18 11518501
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    I'm not saying that I know better than Searl Magnetics ltd, that Searl is not telling the truth.
    You missed something else in the text I quoted: there are witnesses,
    who, according to Searl, would see his device working, including Sandberg -
    when the author told Searl he wanted to talk to Sandberg, it was Searl
    he tried to discourage him from this conversation; the author also asked Searl if he could
    show how your device works, it turned out to be impossible.
    Further research showed that Searl spoke untruthfully on many other matters.
    It is interesting that he does not remember (so claims) the name of his childhood friend,
    with which he was supposed to do some "free energy" magnetic device; father
    this friend was buying magnets, his name was George Haynes, he's dead.
    Someone had been found who had been experimenting with Searl for many years,
    but he saw nothing to support Searl's claims about their results.
  • #19 11518619
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Alien_END wrote:
    The alternating current added to the main direct magnetization current is used to create the stator and rollers magnetic tracks which are necessary for the SEG to work. Russians Roschin and Godin cleverly avoided this inconvenience by inserting small permanent magnets around the circumference of the stator and rollers

    A thousand times nonsense.
    Read and understand the basics of magnetism (even from the link I showed you), and then express your opinion and challenge the phenomena that have been proven long ago and so far unchallenged.
    Have you ever made even half a magnet? Do you have any idea how it's done? I have a lot to do with magnets, the key word - loudspeaker. I know what, how and why the material becomes magnetized the way and not otherwise.
    Without it, there is nothing to discuss with you.
    There is no such thing as a magnetic path in a homogeneous material (such as the stators of motors and other electromechanical devices) because such a material cannot be spot-magnetized so that part of the material is magnetized and another part is not.
    Even in a heterogeneous material, e.g. an audio tape, with time, the more strongly magnetized fragments interact with those that are less magnetized - that is why very old tapes, unused for a long time, have a high level of noise. As a result of the influence of more strongly magnetized fragments on the less magnetized ones - the fields are aligned and, as a result, the dynamics of the recorded signal deteriorates.

    You can believe everything, facts are important. So far, the facts are clear - no one has ever seen a working generator, only its creator claims that it works.
  • #20 12536967
    Radd
    Level 13  
    Ok, I know that the topic has probably expired, but something occurred to me. Tell me what you think about it. John's stories show that conductive rings must be made of two different materials. My English is a bit lame, but I managed to find out. The point is that it contains a Peltier cell, i.e. a junction of two different metals. If the current flows through them for a long enough time and a fairly large current, one side cools down a lot. And it is known that at very low temperatures, some materials become superconducting. My question is, can this give this system some strange, so far unknown properties? I don't know the behavior of superconductors in a magnetic field - I only saw levitation.
  • #21 12537247
    jankolo
    Rest in Peace
    Radd wrote:
    John's stories show ...

    If he is your colleague - and the fragment of your post I have quoted indicates it - then you can ask him about it yourself and provide us with an answer.
  • #22 12537682
    saskia
    Level 39  
    jankolo wrote:
    haker201200 wrote:
    Recently, I have become interested in Searl's generator

    And were you also interested in this Searl article?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Searl


    jankolo, the link from your earlier post is no longer up to date, the content has been deleted.
    I wonder who this content bothered me?
    There were comments and a way to write in Wicki so that it was known what was going on and everyone could draw their own conclusions, and now it looks like deleting information so that someone would not accidentally end it.
    A real paranoia, with that Wicki. Less reliable than Searl's generator. :-)
  • #24 12538412
    saskia
    Level 39  
    Apparently so, but what was the sense of it, since he is still writing about it, the deletion took more space for them in wicki than in the previous description. :-) :-)
  • #25 12538708
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    Because it was not about the place, but about the credibility of the information provided - after all, they wrote about it.
  • #26 12539020
    Radd
    Level 13  
    Give up on these entries. Who cares has been removed then has been. The subject goes the other way again. I don't feel like talking about it anymore. Always the same. And no one has even bothered to check how the Peltier cell is constructed. Well, not as I described earlier, only from two layers of a conductor, and inside a semiconductor layer alternately combined with external plates, i.e. semiconductor N then P, etc. What I described earlier is a thermocouple widely used as a temperature sensor. Unfortunately, I hurried up a bit - the so-called sheep's rush.
  • #27 12539496
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    It can be made of two different metals - for example, to be shown at a physics lesson, it is made of iron and copper; Gülcher's battery was made of antimony and nickel. The use of semiconductors allowed to obtain higher voltages (which is more convenient), and probably higher efficiency (although it is still quite low), but lower current (because the semiconductor has more resistance).

    In order to cool a place using the Peltier effect, the current must have a constant direction, and the magnetic field produces an alternating current, unless we switch the circuit with a commutator. Besides, cooling is quite weak, and metals have to be cooled to a very low temperature (a few ° K - no chance of getting that much) to become superconductors. But there will probably be those who will convince the naive that you can get something extraordinary in this way.
  • #28 12541120
    Radd
    Level 13  
    I don't want to tell anyone anything, that's what occurred to me after watching the video.
    You are right that an alternating magnetic field induces alternating current, and this contradicts the ability to pump heat. It is more likely that everything will be heated from eddy currents to temperatures where the magnets will lose their magnetism and this whole toy will fall apart.
  • #29 12541623
    _jta_
    Electronics specialist
    But sooner or later, both you and others will find videos (if they haven't already hit them) made to convince you of something like that.
  • #30 12978992
    e8500
    Level 15  
    Hello
    I am in the process of looking for a company that will make magnets for the order. I'm going to check if it works like others. The Russian's latch is impossible.
    Interestingly, everyone wants to build this generator, there is a catch, if it existed, space shuttles would be built on it. true.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the Searl Effect Generator (SEG), a device purported to generate free energy using magnets, rings, and rollers. Participants express skepticism about its feasibility, citing a lack of credible information on its construction and operation. Some contributors mention the need for specific materials and designs, such as the use of neodymium magnets and the importance of magnetic fields. Others argue that the device is a scam, pointing out that no successful prototypes have been demonstrated despite decades of claims. The conversation also touches on the principles of magnetism, energy generation, and the challenges of creating a working model. A few participants suggest theoretical approaches to powering the generator, while others emphasize the necessity of scientific knowledge and practical experience in building such devices.
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