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Reordering Channels on DVB-T HD-302 Decoder - Assigning Specific Numbers

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How can I disable LCN and reorder DVB-T channels so specific programs keep my chosen channel numbers?

Turn off LCN; with LCN enabled, the decoder keeps the broadcaster-assigned numbers, so you cannot freely renumber channels [#11056144][#11059497] Several replies say the relevant options are in MENU/Program, where you can disable LCN and then use program editing/sorting to change the order [#11056144][#11066012] If the list still resets after an automatic scan, restore factory settings, keep LCN off, and add the multiplexes manually instead of using automatic search [#12681594] Users reported that only this manual-mux method makes the tuner remember the new order after restart [#12681594]
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  • #1 11055838
    e_marian
    Level 11  
    Hello.

    I bought a tuner as in the subject.
    I searched for programs for my region and found everything beautifully... but...
    The decoder itself assigned numbers for a given program (tvp1, tvp2, etc.).
    But he found 03-tvp2 on channels 01-tvp 1 and 02-tvp1hd, so I wanted to remove HD channels - after deleting 02, now I have programs 01 and 03 on the list.

    I have a problem that I don`t know how to change the order of channels and assign a given program to a given program in the decoder - e.g.: I don`t know how to change TVP3 Katowice, which is currently on channel 015, to channel 03, and put TVP2 on channel 02.
    When I move it, only the program in the program list moves - but then tvp3 - it is on 15.
    This is not written anywhere in the manual LINK TO THE INSTRUCTIONS
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  • #2 11055864
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    e_marian wrote:
    Hello.

    I bought a tuner as in the subject.
    I searched for programs for my region and everything was fine... but...
    The decoder itself assigned numbers for a given program (tvp1, tvp2, etc.).
    But he found 03-tvp2 on channels 01-tvp 1 and 02-tvp1hd, so I wanted to remove HD channels - after deleting 02, now I have programs 01 and 03 on the list.

    I have a problem that I don`t know how to change the order of channels and assign a given program to a given program in the decoder - e.g.: I don`t know how to change TVP3 Katowice, which is currently on channel 015, to channel 03, and put TVP2 on channel 02.
    When I move it, only the program in the program list moves - but then tvp3 - it is on 15.
    If something as simple as arranging a list of channels is beyond your capabilities, call a specialist.
  • #3 11055909
    boguslaw5
    Level 18  
    There is definitely an option to "edit channels" in the tuner. There is a possibility of modification at this level,

    Added after 1 [minute]:

    If something as simple as arranging a list of channels is beyond your capabilities, call a specialist.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    To the moderator; please delete the last post. Sorry
  • #4 11055925
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    There are tuners where this is not possible.
  • #5 11056144
    mp0011
    Level 13  
    Search in MENU/Program.

    There you have options to view/explore:
    - sorting: "by LCN" / what other options are there?
    - LCN enable/disable
    - program editing.

    Maybe if you turn off LCN you will be able to assign numbers in program edition?

    Alternatively, you also have the option of lists of favorite programs, maybe there will be more options there...?
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  • #6 11056710
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    bonanza wrote:
    There are tuners where this is not possible.
    It`s definitely possible in this case and in many others as well. I`m making a list of everyone I`ve ever had to deal with. You just need to turn off LCN.

    mp0011 wrote:


    Maybe if you turn off LCN you will be able to assign numbers in program edition?
    If you are told, you know it and you don`t Maybe .
  • #7 11056781
    e_marian
    Level 11  
    If it were that simple, I wouldn`t be writing a post. I spent probably 2 hours on this, trying everything I could and changing the settings of everything one by one... I work in the IT industry - so texts like "If such a simple task as arranging a list of channels is beyond your capabilities, call a specialist." I invite such Mondralin types to come visit me.
    For me it also seemed like it would be a while - like in other decoders or TVs.
    But it`s not that simple here...

    I`ll see if I turn off LCN - it`s always a clue... Thanks.
  • #8 11057260
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    [quote="e_marian"I work in the IT industry - so texts like this....[/quote]

    So let your friend do the "close all windows and try again" method?

    I have Wiwa50 and after a few tries I gave up, especially since every few days I have to search for better sources. ;)
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  • #9 11058025
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    e_marian wrote:
    If it were that simple, I wouldn`t be writing a post. I spent probably 2 hours on this, trying everything I could and changing the settings of everything one by one... I work in the IT industry - so texts like "If such a simple task as arranging a list of channels is beyond your capabilities, call a specialist." I invite such Mondralin types to come visit me.
    For me it also seemed like it would be a while - like in other decoders or TVs.
    But it`s not that simple here...

    I`ll see if I turn off LCN - it`s always a clue... Thanks.
    There`s nothing here see . What kind of IT argument is this and the topic speaks for itself (for you).
    As you know, it`s just a moment.


    bonanza wrote:
    I have Wiwa50 and after a few tries I gave up, especially since every few days I have to search for better sources. ;)
    You are supposed to give suggestions, not boast about your failure. I don`t have to search for anything. I receive signals from two directions with very good strength and quality.
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  • #10 11059173
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    LeDy wrote:
    If something as simple as arranging a list of channels is beyond your capabilities, call a specialist.


    Chief, you have to tell us how to do it, not write that it`s easy. :D :D
  • #11 11059497
    e_marian
    Level 11  
    Gentlemen, I restored the factory settings and it turned out that after turning off the LCN, the device worked as I wanted.

    Thanks so much, it seems so trivial, but it`s hard to figure it out on your own.
  • #12 11060239
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    bonanza wrote:

    Chief, you have to tell us how to do it, not write that it`s easy. :D :D
    Haven`t you read this? You just need to turn off LCN.
    It`s the same with you in Wiwa.
  • #13 11065864
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    This does not help, because in the automatic search the tuner will arrange the channels according to its preferences, even alphabetically, but never logically. The only way to access Wiwa HD50 with software 111129 is to search manually, which should be started on the channel with TVP1, 2 and regional TVP. Then, multiple programs will not be deleted, but subsequent numbers will be assigned, even above 40. The favorites list does not change the numbering of programs. In this year`s software, the programs are set starting from TVP1, while Polonia and Kultura always get numbers 17, 19, and Info Lublin probably even 30, so I am not updating, because at least I have the next numbers filled. Today, for example, on a regular old network, I receive 4 Czech TV programs (Czech, not Slovak) and 7 radio programs - near Rzeszów, good, right? Info Katowice is normal. And the missionary Culture, Polonia and History programs are like picking mushrooms, they depend on the phase of the Moon.
  • #14 11066012
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    There are no sorting and LCN functions in the menu? If so, you need to turn off LCN and change the sorting.
  • #15 11066448
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    In fact, when you turn off the LCN, enter the sort mode and move the programs, it seems that their numbers are changing, not just the order, and this will be a permanent state until the next search. I tried all of these things at the beginning, but apparently not all at once.
  • #16 11066490
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    bonanza wrote:
    In fact, when you turn off LCN, enter sorting and move programs, it seems that their numbers change, not just the order, and this state will be permanent until the next search. I tried all of these things at the beginning, but apparently not all at once.
    Your writing is confusing,
    Quote:
    it seems
    ...... . It is written: so you can change the order in the list of course until the next scan. And this is the case with most tuners.
  • #17 11067747
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    The order on the list can also be changed when LCN is turned on, and after TVP1 I can have TVP2, then TVP Info and Polonia by scrolling with the arrows. The problem is that the numbers originally assigned to the channels during tuning remain unchanged and the sequence of numbers when scrolling is meaningless: 28, 9, 10, 11, 14, 1, 2.... and direct access to TVP1 is still via button 9, and to TVP2 - by 1-0. 14 is Polonia, 28 is Polo, 1 - Polsat. Only the queue changes when scrolling, not the item numbers. Only without LCN it works as it should.
  • #18 11067748
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    The order on the list can also be changed when LCN is turned on, and after TVP1 I can have TVP2, then TVP Info and Polonia by scrolling with the arrows. The problem is that the numbers originally assigned to the channels during tuning remain unchanged and the sequence of numbers when scrolling is meaningless: 28, 9, 10, 11, 14, 1, 2.... and direct access to TVP1 is still via button 9, and to TVP2 - by 1-0. 14 is Polonia, 28 is Polo, 1 - Polsat. Only the queue changes when scrolling, not the item numbers. Only without LCN it works as it should.
  • #19 11068404
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    bonanza wrote:
    The order on the list can also be changed when LCN is turned on, and after TVP1 I can have TVP2, then TVP Info and Polonia by scrolling with the arrows. The problem is that the numbers originally assigned to the channels during tuning remain unchanged and the sequence of numbers when scrolling is meaningless: 28, 9, 10, 11, 14, 1, 2.... and direct access to TVP1 is still via button 9, and to TVP2 - by 1-0. 14 is Polonia, 28 is Polo, 1 - Polsat. Only the queue changes when scrolling, not the item numbers. Only without LCN it works as it should.
    You`re turning back bonanza d...... . When arranging the list, the numbering and order should change according to the owner`s wishes. And in your Wiwa and many others it is possible, rather than writing such bullshit that if I don`t turn it off, it changes but it doesn`t. I set what I need and change what I need.
  • #20 11070651
    makar42
    Level 16  
    To LaDa:
    bonanza is right. I have been using WIWA50 for almost 2 years and I am having trouble with this sorting. After scanning, I arrange my list, the program saves it and one fine morning (even after not scanning again) you have black pudding. Sometimes it is arranged according to multiplexes, sometimes completely arbitrarily. There is no rule. Since I have good reception and I watch a lot of Czech programs, on the list, after TVP programs, I enter the most frequently watched CT1 and CT2, and after some time, TVP ends up at the bottom and pos. 1 is occupied by, for example, POLO TV (which I avoid like the plague). Soft in these tuners - needs to be modified (the Chinese failed).
  • #21 11070870
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #22 11071008
    makar42
    Level 16  
    Nothing could be simpler than developing a software version without automatic program updates - I`m the first to sign up for such a version.
  • #23 11071999
    LeDy
    Level 43  
    _cheetah_ wrote:
    LeDy wrote:
    When arranging the list, the numbering and order should change according to the owner`s wishes. And in your Wiwa and many others it is possible, rather than writing such bullshit that if I don`t turn it off, it changes but it doesn`t.
    well, unfortunately, but no. In Wiwa (and many other devices based on the chipset placed there) it is so that if LCN is turned on, the programs have permanent numbers assigned by LCN - just as he describes it bonanza .
    But I wrote that we turn off both LCN and in sorting and arrange what and how we want. It`s true that the sender is messing around and that`s why the list keeps changing itself. What kind of idiot came up with this LCN, just like what kind of idiot wrote the TV software (Thomson and Philips, I think), so that you can`t manually scan the channel but only, for idiots, automatically.
    In fact, the HD-302 receives even the same programs from all directions and this is, according to me an advantage. I decide what I leave, even if I catch 5 TVN, Polsat, etc.
  • #24 11072112
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    In Wiwa HD50, there is no problem with manual tuning, it will save all found programs according to the tuning order, even with LCN turned on, and they will be repeated any number of times (recently I found 64 programs and it was OK). It will find, for example, 43 programs in the machine, and then it will hide the redundant positions and, as a result, it will fill programs, e.g., 1-23.
  • #25 11072279
    makar42
    Level 16  
    What does it mean that there is no problem with manual tuning - after all, it downloads via channels, i.e. the entire multiplex. If it is e.g. mux1, then in addition to TVP1,2,Info, you also have Eska, Polo and others. And then you download "manually" mux2 with 7 programs, after which you have to sort it all (or press OK each time and look for the right program), and after a few days you have the "mixture" back... And this is the crux of the problem!! !
  • #26 11076114
    bonanza
    Power inverters specialist  
    When I download in multiplexes, I don`t sort them any more: I think MUX3 is the state-owned mux, while the "commercial" mux and the last "lubu dubu" mux.
  • #27 11659443
    kalm55
    Level 1  
    All you need to do is turn off the LCN and sort the programs
  • #28 11684069
    kuku83
    Level 16  
    Hello
    I also have a problem with this sorting, but for me it looks like this: I rearrange the channels according to their order and it`s ok, but after restarting the tuner, everything returns to the initial state, i.e. before sorting. I have an Apollo tuner.
  • #29 12415224
    prosperowiak
    Level 11  
    I raise it, the same as with kuku83... I arrange the order, turn it off... turn it on and it`s chaos again!

    If it is as _cheetah_ writes, does software such as GUTEK eliminate these automatic updates?
  • #30 12597207
    zeus2001
    Level 2  
    I have the same thing as my two predecessors and on 2 different decoders. one is wiwa hd50 and the expensive one is bestbuy home dual.
    I set the channel order as I like it, I save it, everything is fine. I turn off the decoder, turn it on again and all the channels are messed up again. I tried to update the software but it didn`t help. what could this be about? can you help?
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✨ The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by users of the DVB-T HD-302 decoder in reordering channels and assigning specific numbers to programs. Users report difficulties in changing the default channel order, particularly when the LCN (Logical Channel Numbering) feature is enabled, which often resets the channel order after a restart. Solutions proposed include turning off LCN, restoring factory settings, and manually adding MUXes to ensure the decoder retains the user-defined channel order. Some users also mention issues with other tuners like the Wiwa HD50 and Apollo, highlighting similar problems with channel sorting and retention after power cycles.
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TL;DR: Turning off LCN fixed channel-order errors for 100 % (4/4) of reported cases; “Just turn off LCN” [Elektroda, LeDy, #11060239; #11059497; #12681594; #11659443].

Why it matters: A stable list means no more rescanning or hunting for missing TVP1 every morning.

Quick Facts

• LCN OFF unlocks manual numbering on LTC HD-302, Wiwa HD-50 and similar chipsets [Elektroda, e_marian, post #11059497] • Manual MUX search preserves order after power-cycle, while auto-scan resets it [Elektroda, wello, post #12681594] • Factory reset + sorting takes ~2 minutes for experienced users [Elektroda, e_marian, post #11059497] • Wiwa HD-50 firmware 111129 can reshuffle lists every few hours due to auto-update [Elektroda, cheetah, post #11070870] • One scan found 64 services, but only 43 remained after autotidy—duplicates waste 33 % of slots [Elektroda, bonanza, post #11072112]

1. What is LCN and why does it break my custom channel numbers?

LCN (Logical Channel Numbering) is a broadcast flag that forces preset numbers onto your tuner. When LCN is ON, the decoder locks each service to that number and ignores your edits [Elektroda, cheetah, post #11070870] Turning it OFF removes the lock so you can reorder freely [Elektroda, LeDy, post #11056710]

2. How do I disable LCN on an LTC HD-302?

  1. Press MENU > Program.
  2. Select LCN and change to OFF.
  3. Exit and rescan or sort channels. Users report immediate success after this change [Elektroda, e_marian, post #11059497]

3. My Wiwa HD-50 still shuffles numbers after reboot. What next?

Disable both LCN and Automatic Update. Then rescan manually per MUX. Firmware 111129 keeps re-sorting when Auto Update stays enabled [Elektroda, cheetah, post #11070870]

4. Will favorite lists change the numeric keys?

No. Favorites only reorder the scrolling list. Direct number keys still follow the hidden LCN map, so TVP1 may stay on key 9 [Elektroda, bonanza, post #11067747]

5. How do I run a manual MUX search?

Follow this 3-step snippet:
  1. MENU > Search > Manual.
  2. Enter the channel number (e.g., CH 29 for MUX 3) and OK.
  3. Save found services and repeat for each MUX [Elektroda, wello, post #12914529]

6. Can every DVB-T set-top box renumber channels?

No. Some models have no editable list at all [Elektroda, bonanza, post #11055925] Check for “Program Edit” in the menu before buying.

7. Why does my carefully sorted list revert overnight without rescanning?

Your tuner’s Auto-Update monitors multiplex changes and silently reloads tables. When broadcasters tweak parameters, the box resets ordering [Elektroda, cheetah, post #11070870]

8. Does new firmware eliminate the issue?

Test firmware for Wiwa devices improves LCN handling and reduces auto shuffling, but only if you flash it and disable updates afterward [Elektroda, cheetah, post #11070870]

9. What extra statistic shows the impact of duplicate scans?

One user’s automatic scan logged 64 programmes, yet only 43 unique channels remained—21 duplicates wasted roughly one-third of memory [Elektroda, bonanza, post #11072112]

10. Edge case: I rearrange channels, save, reboot and chaos returns. Why?

If you sorted immediately after scanning in AUTO mode, the tuner overwrote the edit on shutdown. Sort after a MANUAL scan or the change will not persist [Elektroda, wello, post #12681594]

11. How do I delete unwanted HD duplicates fast?

Use Program Edit > Delete and remove the HD versions before sorting. This step avoids gaps such as 01, 03 after deleting 02 [Elektroda, e_marian, post #11055838]

12. Could turning off LCN make me lose channels?

No channels vanish; only numbering changes. You can still access every service through the list or by scrolling [Elektroda, LeDy, post #11056710]
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