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Residential Heat Pumps: Satisfaction, Installation & Types - Seeking West Pomeranian Insights

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  • #1 12148651
    markoopoloo
    Level 11  
    Hello. I would like to hear from people who have heat pumps installed in their homes. I found a few topics and articles on the web, but mostly with purely technical information, and most of the entries I found were sponsored articles, or comments from installers or service technicians, and those who know will praise theirs.
    And I mean general information about whether you are satisfied with the solution, what mistakes to avoid when reinvesting, what type of pump you have, how to deal with the installation company, etc.
    If there was someone from the West Pomeranian region near Czaplinek, who would be so nice and willing to show me his installation, I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance for any information!
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    #2 12149002
    eidur
    Level 11  
    After 7 years of use, I can say that I am very happy with the PC. Especially when it comes to running costs - compared to what my neighbors are paying, my PC is much cheaper.
    The costs in my case (150m2, ground floor, floor) for the heat pump is about PLN 800. Accordingly, the heat pump saves me annually:
    approx. PLN 4,000 in relation to electric heating;
    around PLN 1,600 compared to gas.
    To perform a well-functioning installation, you need a lot of knowledge and experience, so take specialists because if they install them wrongly, it will be inefficient and fail safe.
    If you have any questions, ask, I will be happy to answer.
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  • #3 12149339
    markoopoloo
    Level 11  
    eidur wrote:

    To perform a well-functioning installation, you need a lot of knowledge and experience, so take specialists because if they install them wrongly, it will be inefficient and fail safe.
    If you have any questions, ask, I will be happy to answer.


    You have marked on your profile that you are from Gdańsk, I am also from West Pomeranian Voivodeship, maybe I could drive up to you and see the installation? Who did the installation for you?
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    #4 12150937
    piotr_boncza
    Level 29  
    I installed a few and tweaked a few :)
    Important things:
    what stage of construction are you at?
    do you have a chance for gas :)
    what is your heat demand,
    where you can install the pump.
    The pump type depends on the above-mentioned ground conditions.
    Then you can talk about selecting a pump.
    A parameter that hardly anyone pays attention to before making a purchase is the noise level :)
    The basic errors are poorly made / designed lower source with no possibility of additional heating with a device other than PC. Especially with new houses, which in the initial period have a greater demand for heat, it causes freezing of the ground source and loss of efficiency. Problems also often appear with the economical implementation of underfloor heating (floor heating is the best for a PC). A few years ago I had a problem with a floor heating with very long loops and quite high operating parameters, but the problem was solved by installing recuperation and a hydraulic clutch. Demand dropped to values that the PC could handle. And I have my own methods to repair the lower source :)
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    #5 12153989
    eidur
    Level 11  
    markoopoloo wrote:

    You have marked on your profile that you are from Gdańsk, I am also from West Pomeranian Voivodeship, maybe I could drive up to you and see the installation? Who did the installation for you?


    Yes, I am from Borkowo near Gdańsk, I sent you the full address to the pw, you can drive from Monday to Friday, I am at home after 6 p.m.
    I don't remember the name of the company that did the installation for me, but I have a company number for Mr. Marek - 509 764 561. He was responsible for the entire installation for me, he is a very nice guy, he is one of the best specialists in the field of heat pumps in our region, call us and find out what and how.
    I see that Mr. piotr_boncza is also familiar with the subject, so maybe write to him too.
  • #6 12158733
    markoopoloo
    Level 11  
    Mr. Peter:

    >> what stage of construction are you at?
    we have finished laying the foundations, but as the weather conditions improve, we are moving forward sharply.

    >> do you have a chance for gas :)
    there is a chance, but I don't know when, besides, the gas from what I read (and what Mr. Eidur wrote) is less profitable.

    >> what is your heat demand,
    I will just have an audit done, I already have some estimates, but I doubt that it will be credible.

    >> where you can install the pump.
    I'll have a basement.

    >> The pump type depends on the above-mentioned ground conditions.
    The soil is mainly clay, I have fertilized myself with some soil from 0.3 m, but it is not easy to dig deeper.

    >> And a parameter that hardly anyone pays attention to before buying is the noise level
    the noise level generated by the pump ???

    >> Basic errors are poorly made / designed lower source with no possibility of additional heating with a device other than PC.
    The PC is supposed to be the only source of heating.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    eidur wrote:


    I don't remember the name of the company that did the installation for me, but I have a company number for Mr. Marek - 509 764 561. He was responsible for the entire installation for me, he is a very nice guy, he is one of the best specialists in the field of heat pumps in our region, call us and find out what and how.


    thanks for the bearing, that's what you mean: http://www.cieploznatury.pl/?id=dane_teleadresowe ???
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    #7 12163257
    piotr_boncza
    Level 29  
    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> what stage of construction are you at?
    we have finished laying the foundations, but as the weather conditions improve, we are moving forward sharply.

    This is the perfect moment to think about whether you are making a PC forever, whether you expect to install other heating and make chimneys. So the cost of the chimney + the area occupied by it. It is also important to determine what pump you will install. Most preferably ground energy. Then you need to determine what bottom source:
    1. Coil made of pipes arranged horizontally in the ground - generally cheaper, but requires a larger area and does not allow for any development of the plot
    2. Boreholes where pipes are inserted.
    In the first case, it is good to prepare a well-sealed and insulated passage through the foundation wall, in the second case, either the same or you can drill within the foundations and insert the pipes directly into the PC area. This reduces costs and facilitates subsequent operation. Only problem with soil compaction around the hole, but that is manageable.

    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> do you have a chance for gas :)
    there is a chance, but I don't know when, besides, the gas from what I read (and what Mr. Eidur wrote) is less profitable.

    Less, but when we calculate the investment costs, in my opinion, in most cases, PC loses to a condensing natural gas boiler. If, on the other hand, there is no chance for natural gas, it is indeed the most profitable.

    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> what is your heat demand,
    I will have an audit just done, I already have some estimates, but I doubt that it will be credible.

    But in the case of a PC, it is necessary to establish the demand quite accurately. Too high means unjustified higher costs (you have to add to the difference in the price of the pump itself the higher cost of the bottom source). Too low means working with an electric heater / other heat source and much higher operating costs.


    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> where you can install the pump.
    I'll have a basement.

    So you need to think about the method of connecting the lower source - as above.

    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> The pump type depends on the above-mentioned ground conditions.
    The soil is mainly clay, I have fertilized myself with some soil from 0.3 m, but it is not easy to dig deeper.

    You do not need much deeper, but ask how much the boreholes in your area cost, for 80-120m and an excavator, because you will not dig the horizontal one by hand :)

    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> And a parameter that hardly anyone pays attention to before buying is the noise level
    the noise level generated by the pump ???

    Yes, some make noise like old Minsk. The basement makes it possible to soundproof.

    markoopoloo wrote:
    >> Basic errors are poorly made / designed lower source with no possibility of additional heating with a device other than PC.
    The PC is supposed to be the only source of heating.

    So special attention to detail is recommended. Consider also mechanical ventilation with recuperation. The heat loss for ventilation is quite large, and with airtight houses, good ventilation is important for comfort and protecting the walls from moisture.
  • #8 12176827
    markoopoloo
    Level 11  
    Thank you for the information, Mr. Piotr, I will think about the matter and contact you with any questions.
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    #9 12181536
    eidur
    Level 11  
    markoopoloo wrote:


    thanks for the bearing, that's what you mean: http://www.cieploznatury.pl/?id=dane_teleadresowe ???


    Yes, he is probably the best PC specialist in Pomerania. Report to him, he will give you information on former clients and talk to them about the pump.
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  • #10 12185338
    markoopoloo
    Level 11  
    Ok, I will call this gentleman, could anyone else describe their experiences with the PC?
  • #11 12730702
    kkuj
    Level 1  
    Hello.
    I wanted to resume the topic.
    I am looking for the opinions of heat pump users, people who can describe the advantages and disadvantages of these systems. Describe the costs of installation and operation in relation to the building area and thermal insulation.
  • #12 12947137
    wnoto
    Level 34  
    Remember that for economical work you need underfloor or "wall" heating. Not radiators.

    Ask for a quote and a method of implementation in the company. Post it here (outline) ... we'll give you a hint.
  • #13 13032256
    franek_zwola
    Level 2  
    Hello. Works in the construction industry. I am finishing my first house and I have to start thinking about the heat pump ... What do you recommend? I have heard a lot of good things about NTS Energy, moreover, they are close to me (from Wrocław). Some people buy Chinese and then ask for help in dimensioning on forums ... I would like to avoid such situations and consult someone who may have already purchased this equipment. I am waiting for a response.
  • #14 13062314
    ericson
    Level 12  
    Hello, I will stick to the topic.
    I have a gas stove, 7m combustion (all) for 24 hours, is it profitable for me to set up a heat pump and connect it to the existing radiator installation, behind the stove a divider and then with pex pipes. The size of the house is about 100m, radiators 8 pcs. The heat pump is probably Chinese, power 5kw, air, water
  • #15 13064606
    anwist
    Level 13  
    On my website I have "dry" numbers ---- >>> "m2", the number of "kilowatts" consumed and live temperatures.
    If you have a floor heating installed, do not even think about installing a heat pump, because it is really worth it.

    www.pompaciepla-24.pl
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  • #16 13065589
    William Bonawentura
    Level 34  
    ericson wrote:
    I have a gas furnace, combustion 7m (all) for 24 hours, is it profitable for me to install a heat pump?


    If you already have a gas connection and a boiler, the investment will be unprofitable. Even if the PC gave you PLN 1,000 in savings during the season, the 30,000 spent on installation will never be returned.
  • #17 13066073
    ericson
    Level 12  
    pump cost 3500
  • #18 13141525
    Maniek1981r
    Level 11  
    Hello, can anyone recommend a company from the vicinity of Lodz that deals with this and the current costs?
    Thanks
  • #19 13141638
    irus.m
    Heating systems specialist
    Maniek1981r wrote:
    Hello, can anyone recommend a company from the vicinity of Lodz that deals with this and the current costs?
    Thanks


    Maybe not from Łódź itself, but nearby.
    They have working installations behind them, I have seen them and recommend them.

    biuro(_at_)intel-dom.eu
    tel: 503 193 548; 796 146 451

    Contact Krzysiek or Michał,
    they will explain everything to you, including the cost estimate.


    greetings
  • #20 13202629
    Larien
    Level 1  
    Maniek1981r wrote:
    Hello, can anyone recommend a company from the vicinity of Lodz that deals with this and the current costs?
    Thanks


    I can recommend the company Skandia Polska (ekopompaciepla.pl). A very good company, they also operate in the Łódź Province.
    When it comes to costs - it depends on the heat demand of the building.
    It's best to send an inquiry and they will surely answer all your questions.
  • #21 13224542
    Maniek1981r
    Level 11  
    Thanks for the answer, I have sent inquiries, waiting for the cost estimate :-(
  • #22 13267405
    marcel878
    Level 10  
    Colleagues, I advise you to read about what you will start investing in a heat pump installation article by MG Projekt This is because such an installation is not always profitable, and there are also various assembly methods. This is invaluable knowledge that you should have before making a final decision.
  • #23 13355669
    firkristo
    Level 2  
    If you are interested in this topic, I encourage you to participate in the 2nd Heat Pump Forum, which will be held on March 5, 2014 at the Municipal Stadium in Wrocław. An accompanying event to the 1st InEnerg International Energy Innovation Fair. It promises to be interesting. If someone is on the way, it is worth going. Admission is free, but registration is required.
  • #24 15218314
    karinos83
    Level 2  
    On the website of Wrocław Termolit there is a lot about heat pumps, so it's probably worth reading http://www.termolit.pl/pompy-ciepla.html . I always thought it was such an expense that there is no option for it to be paid back. And I was wrong. As someone wrote earlier, the return on such an investment takes 5-7 years. And it is ecological and clean heating. I ended up with pellet heating and, unfortunately, I will have to live with it for some time, but if I had to choose now, it would only be a heat pump.
  • #25 15311120
    Marecki987
    Level 1  
    That's right, heating with a pump is now profitable, ecological and it will definitely pay off in a few years. Especially when it comes to a ventilation system with heat recovery. Now you can buy it all with a 40% subsidy. Co-financing also applies to modernization, so you can replace the existing heating system with an ecological one.

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    I have removed the advertising content

  • #26 15311910
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    Marecki987 wrote:
    that's right, heating with a pump is now profitable, ecological and it will pay off for sure after a few years. Especially when it comes to a ventilation system with heat recovery. Now you can buy it all with a 40% subsidy.

    It is profitable under the condition of favorable conditions for the bottom source and in a few, because for now it is a considerable investment that will pay off (or not) in 10 years.
    Ventilation with heat recovery is not an element that reduces heating costs, but rather improves comfort in rooms while maintaining the necessary heat recovery. If someone thinks that installing recuperation will "heat" cheaper, they will take all real investment costs into account.
    Marecki987 wrote:
    Now you can buy it all with a 40% subsidy.

    Just like all subsidies, they have an overstated cost of at least 30% from market prices and what you would normally buy for 10,000 you buy for 8,000 with a 40% discount. Installation companies, suppliers and banks earn, and T is left with another unnecessary loan. Why there is no cash payment subsidy, only super loans?
    I recently started a heat pump installation downstream of the ground source as a horizontal collector in a wet clay ground and it works very well indeed. At the last frost outside. -16 for several nights and -10 during the day return temperature from the ground +7 degrees Celsius. Building 200m2 floor heating, pump (I think) 10kW. In the case of wells, the situation would be much worse, and in addition (apparently) the first 10-15 mb of each well is not counted as an effective bottom source working, and you have to pay for it.
    Another example is an installation with a condensing gas boiler powered by LPG from its own tank, i.e. purchase on the open market. Costs for the whole year + DHW + gas cooker about 4,000, house 180m2 and, in my opinion, overheated apartments (23 degrees Celsius on the floor).
    The cost of the (underground) tank with the design and connection to the house is PLN 8,500. That is about 2x as much as the average gas connection from the "pipe". So the client only spent about 4,000. more than with natural gas, and the cost of gas alone is comparable. It is certainly also a cheaper solution than a coal-fired boiler room.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    eidur wrote:
    The costs in my case (150m2, ground floor, floor) for the heat pump is about PLN 800. Accordingly, the heat pump saves me annually:
    about PLN 4,000 in relation to electric heating;
    around PLN 1,600 compared to gas.

    Can you specify that you spend these PLN 800 on heating the PC for the season / year / month?
  • #27 15317983
    wnoto
    Level 34  
    andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:
    The cost of the (underground) tank with the design and connection to the house is PLN 8,500. That is about 2x as much as the average gas connection from the "pipe". So the client only spent about 4,000. more than with natural gas, and the cost of gas alone is comparable. It is certainly also a cheaper solution than a coal-fired boiler room.


    How much "tank" gas is then available. Please enter the price per liter.
    Propane? or propane-butane?
  • #28 15480823
    pirmex
    Level 10  
    People, what are you writing about here. PCs should deliver measurable financial savings. I have a cottage before renovation (old windows, uninsulated brick, 50 cm walls) with an area of 70 m2 with an unused attic. My heating costs for the season are max 1500 PLN + 50 PLN / month for electricity (total bill with lighting, etc.). I burn wood in SAS, but I buy wood in the forest. When I read that the cost of electricity for a PC is a few hundred zlotys / month, I wonder what you have lost your head with ...
  • #29 15481095
    mauri_b
    Heating systems specialist
    primex, but for a woodshed of 70 m2, nobody installs a heat pump. Electricity 50 PLN / month? I think you live alone and burn candles in the evening. Tell these fairy tales in kindergarten. The costs of heating central heating and domestic hot water with a 240m2 ground heat pump in a house to a temperature of 23-24 degrees are a maximum of PLN 300-400 in the two coldest months. It's probably not bad what?
  • #30 15481695
    pirmex
    Level 10  
    mauri-b, forgive yourself your spite. The house before renovation, by autumn there will be a usable attic, so the area is about 140 m2, windows replaced and insulated with wool. I am not going to change the furnace. Cast iron cauliflower and thick pipes also not .... As for electricity - 2 adults, energy bulbs -5 pcs, ordinary 7 pcs, TV (kinescope), stationary computers + 2 laptops, oven, washing machine, fridge and freezer over 300l. Since we work most of the consumption in the 2nd tariff. Pump which works only at minus temperatures (power consumption 50-60 W). Above zero outside, gravity works. Temperature in the house 20-21. Hot water in the heating season "free", apart from heating from a self-made solar panel at the cost of about PLN 500. Solar operation does not require even 1W of energy. However, I still have to make a buffer and then a pump will be needed (1-2 hours a day). As for the heating costs you provide, will you give your dealer information? Such a herb is a rarity today ...

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around residential heat pumps, focusing on user satisfaction, installation experiences, and types of heat pumps. Participants share insights on the cost-effectiveness of heat pumps compared to traditional heating methods, with one user reporting annual savings of approximately PLN 4,000 compared to electric heating. Key considerations for installation include the type of heat pump (ground vs. air), noise levels, and the importance of proper installation to avoid inefficiencies. Users emphasize the necessity of underfloor heating for optimal performance and caution against poorly designed systems. Recommendations for local installation companies and specialists are provided, along with discussions on the economic viability of heat pumps, particularly in relation to existing heating systems like gas. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding heat demand and soil conditions for effective heat pump operation.
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