Energy Cabinet Key Access in Terraced Housing Estate: Pre-Meter Fuses, WLZ & Resident Rights

We are starting to live in a terraced housing estate and I am writing a bit on behalf of a large number of residents. Power engineers (from the energy distributor) closed lockers in our housing estate. Even before people started living here. Meanwhile, the contents of these cabinets - in part - are our property. We paid for the pre-meter fuses (they are ours), we paid for the WLZ (they are ours), the only thing that was done outside of us was the meters installed and the meters and connections sealed. Everything is locked in cabinets. Each house has its own. Nobody gave us the keys to these lockers and I do not want to give them. For each crap (e.g. a dropped pre-meter fuse, WLZ replacement at a neighbor's place, measurements), an energy emergency must be called and arrived. They agree that we should have the keys (because inside, what is important is sealed and the rest is ours, not theirs), but they will not give us the keys, and their superiors, of course, prefer to charge us PLN 120 for each drive, if it is not a failure. The level of frustration is getting higher. One of the neighbors had already broken the door and picked up the fuse himself. Now he is being threatened with conduct. We tried to look for such keys in electrical wholesalers. So far no result. Can anyone help in getting such a key (photo attached)?

regards,
Wojtek

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Have you seen the original key. It is similar to the one from Allegro (offer number-3327964047)

Every electrician (real, not self-proclaimed) in your area should have such a universal key. I would try this way.

highlanderus wrote:

Have you seen the original key. It is similar to the one from Allegro (offer number-3327964047)

I think my colleague has something to do with this heat. I advise you to look more carefully at the photos posted by vojtek_o2.
Greetings

This is not the key from this listing. What the energy workers (from the emergency room) had - has a handle covered with white plastic, in the shape of a diamond. and the tip that goes into the lock is long, in cross section - like a half of a cylinder. and I think he has some teeth. but they open all the cupboards with the same key so this is probably some standard ...

regards,
Wojtek

Added after 4 [minutes]:

And a note about other electricians. I called two to me. One "borrowed" from a friend who runs a large company and has a full-time job, for a decade, proven, from "more than one furnace ..." etc. He was reorganizing the entire board for me. And he did beautifully. But neither those called by me, nor anyone who has ever repaired anything in this estate (and a lot is happening, because the Mongols that made the installations should have their permissions taken away) - no one has ever seen such a key with their eyes. And they had to get into the boxes more than once.

greet
Wojtek

vojtek_o2 wrote:

This is not the key from this listing. What the energy workers (from the emergency room) had - has a handle covered with white plastic, in the shape of a diamond. and the tip that goes into the lock is long, in cross section - like a half of a cylinder. and I think he has some teeth. but they open all the cupboards with the same key so this is probably some standard ...

regards,
Wojtek

So that's what I'm writing about. Ask the local electricians if they have a universal key for ZK. Maybe someone will have mercy and lend you some extra money. By the way, each recipient should receive a key from the ZE for their measurement and control part. I don't know why you didn't get ...

vojtek_o2 wrote:

One of the neighbors had already broken the door and picked up the fuse himself. Now he is being threatened with conduct.

And they did him very well and they will do the same to anyone who without permission and permission will open what is not his. If someone paid for the fuses, you think that it is your property and you can do what you like. This will quickly straighten your views. This post would be suitable for Moderator.

Krzysztof Reszka wrote:

vojtek_o2 wrote:

One of the neighbors had already broken the door and picked up the fuse himself. Now he is being threatened with conduct.

And they did him very well and they will do the same to anyone who without permission and permission will open what is not his. If someone paid for the fuses, you think that it is your property and you can do what you like. This will quickly straighten your views. This post would be suitable for Moderator.

You must be exaggerating a bit. Nobody here says that unauthorized people "fumble" at the connector. But an adult can attach an "esa" pre-calculator do not you think? Why call an energy emergency every time for such a simple activity? In my city, they do not even want to come to such cases - you have the key as the recipient and turn it on yourself.

Krzysztof Reszka wrote:

vojtek_o2 wrote:

One of the neighbors had already broken the door and picked up the fuse himself. Now he is being threatened with conduct.

And they did him very well and they will do the same to anyone who without permission and permission will open what is not his. If someone paid for the fuses, you think that it is your property and you can do what you like. This will quickly straighten your views. This post would be suitable for Moderator.

Where did you come from, man? The times of disposing of someone else's property are long over, the actions of ZE in the way presented by a colleague are unlawful extortions of money.
Greetings

The neighbor who pulled out the door was definitely an authorized person, and to break it, the other one definitely broke the seals and now you have the same thing, buddy, you also break the seals in front of the meter and replace the fuses with larger ones (changing the connection conditions).

Krzysztof Reszka wrote:

The neighbor who pulled out the door was definitely an authorized person, and to break it, the other one definitely broke the seals and now you have the same thing, buddy, you also break the seals in front of the meter and replace the fuses with larger ones (changing the connection conditions).

Buddy, read the first post with understanding. Who writes about breaking the seals and replacing the fuses with larger ones? It is about the habits of "picking up", closing the tripped circuit breaker. Let's not go crazy.

He writes like ... he lifted the fuse. If he had other intentions, he should write attached. I just added about sealing because they are often sealed.

Buddy, it's not the same.
Here we are dealing with the (intentional) user not being able to restore the power supply after the overcurrent circuit breaker is tripped.
And you don't have to be an electrician with a valid qualification certificate to turn the switch on.
This is to charge the user for the team's arrival.
It is an open protection money for the imposed "care".
Care not wanted, unnecessary and forced.

ZE regularly break the law, disregarding the selectivity of security.
So they do not have the slightest premises, even moral ones, to create their own "legal" requirements.
All the more so, because it can be seen with the naked eye that the reason for this "solution" is extorting cash from the customer.

Of course, I do not support breaking locks, but an official inquiry about the legal basis of such a "solution" is perfectly appropriate.

The times of ZE omnipotence are a thing of the past, which, as you can see, is difficult for some to accept.

Yes, buddy, I agree with you 100%, but why the neighbor has a case (probably in court) there is a bottom line in this case. If it were and it should be like the colleague writes, they would get the keys.

Can't my friend write my nickname correctly ??? [[ kkas12 ]

Krzysztof Reszka wrote:

The neighbor who pulled out the door was definitely an authorized person, and to break it, the other one definitely broke the seals and now you have the same thing, buddy, you also break the seals in front of the meter and replace the fuses with larger ones (changing the connection conditions).

What's this nonsense? Who wrote about the arbitrary exchange of collateral in this thread? We cannot read with understanding?

In this forum, my colleague is turning a lot to using the correct terms

vojtek_o2 wrote:

he picked up the fuse himself.

Because then there are such topics and no writing is needed. And what do you think this neighbor has for breaking the lock? Something mate doesn't fit here.
Ps. Moderator sorry this is the momentum.

Krzysztof Reszka wrote:

And what do you think this neighbor has for breaking the lock?

Who wrote that they had a case?

vojtek_o2 wrote:

Now he is being threatened with conduct.

"Threatening proceedings is probably not the same as a case in court.

I do not know what the standards of energy locks are in the capital, but the one in the photo does not suit me in any way. It looks more like a castle built by a manager / community / developer, etc., and energy workers have just such a key.

If so, then charging a fee in this case is justified - which of you Electricians will start d * psko in the middle of the night to attach S-k to someone for free ???

Either way, there is a lack of basic information known as the ownership or operating boundary, or the place where energy is supplied. Without it, you can only guess.

zbich70 wrote:

who of you electricians will move d * psko in the middle of the night to turn on somebody's S for free ???

And that's why they should have their key. So much for the topic

I absolutely do not agree with this, Zbyszek.
I mean charging due to deliberate lack of access.
The user has the right to take measurements, he has the right to turn off the power, he has the right to turn on the overcurrent switch after it has tripped and has the right to read the meter
A possible transfer of the operating limit closer to the recipient and beyond the meter is unjustified.
Can it also seal the residential switchboard and all the miniature circuit breakers located in it?
After all, their design allows it.

kkas12 wrote:

I absolutely do not agree with this, Zbyszek.
I mean charging due to deliberate lack of access.

I agree that the deliberate blocking of access by the distribution company and charging for the "services" provided therein call for vengeance to heaven.

But we still do not know who locked these boxes and who has the keys to them. Officially!

But we know

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For each crap (e.g. a dropped pre-meter fuse, WLZ replacement at the neighbor's place, measurements), you have to call and an energy emergency will arrive . They themselves agree that we should have the keys (because inside, what is important is sealed and the rest is ours, not theirs), but they will not give us the keys, and their superiors, of course prefer to charge us PLN 120 each for each journey if it is not a malfunction.

kkas12 wrote:

But we know

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For each crap (e.g. a dropped pre-meter fuse, WLZ replacement at the neighbor's place, measurements), you have to call and an energy emergency will arrive . They themselves agree that we should have the keys (because inside, what is important is sealed and the rest is ours, not theirs), but they will not give us the keys, and their superiors, of course prefer to charge us PLN 120 each for each journey if it is not a malfunction.

We know because this is what the author of the topic wrote. Because it is easier to remember the emergency number 991 than the nine-digit number of the electrician from the "cooperative" who will say after the 15th that ... we know what he will say.

TWK wrote:

"Threatening proceedings is probably not the same as a case in court.

We have civil, criminal and fine proceedings.

And can a colleague justify why he considers the pre-meter protection as his own? In what form did you pay for these collateral? And it is best to quote a point in the contract that begins with "the place where energy is supplied is ...".

There may be, for example, a situation (buddy dentist) that the cabinet has (Enion guidelines) a MASTER KEY lock with an insert No. K35 or KR32.
When one of these inserts is used meter reading by the Recipient it is possible through an inspection window made of a transparent element or an inspection opening closed with the recipient's lock
Additionally, it enables safe maneuvering of the installation switch through the inspection opening closed with the recipient's lock.

Beating the foam all the way - is it only normal for me (well, almost normal), and for you (some of you) it is not?

elpapiotr wrote:

is it only for me it is normal (well, almost normal)

It is also normal for me - i.e. master keys, recipient's access to read the measurement and switch on the S-ki and no fees in the case of calling an ambulance to "runny nose" ...

Ignoring the rules - I'm closing.