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Comparing Power Change Costs to 16kw at PGE: 3100 PLN for 3 Phases vs 800 Zlotys for 11kw

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  • #1 16895334
    maciacho
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    Hello,
    I got new connection conditions for 3 phases from 1phase. The cost of connection in the ground is 3100 PLN net! What is the price? Box in the fence 3mb from the switching station. A neighbor for a new connection of 70mb to the house paid 800 zlotys for 11kw. Why should I pay so much?
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  • #2 16895438
    emigrant
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    These are the expected costs that PGE must bear on their side, but you have to pay. Because it is rebuilding the connection at your request. I paid PLN 1500 net for PGE for the reconstruction of the overhead connection. On their side it was only 39 meters AsXSn 4x25 mm ^ 2, several RL tubes fi37 and clamps. The connection was under voltage, so the cost of switching off the transformer for the time of connection also missed me. As you can see, you have to pay your own costs even though it would not cost so much. Here, rather, the connection power has nothing to do with it. Unless it has to be a work plant with high connection power.
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  • #3 16895611
    maciacho
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    It is written with a cost of 10.000 PLN and I have to pay 3100 PLN net. Is it better to terminate the contract and make them cancel the link and then submit the application again? After all, it's the same job and costs almost 4 times higher. This is a public deception. In the price list it is written that I pay for connection power, not my whim.
  • #4 16895698
    zbich70
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    Upload the scan of the connection conditions and your application.
    What is the existing condition? I think a single-phase overhead connection.
    What did you ask for? For replacing the overhead connection with a three-phase connection?
    Or maybe you yourself wanted the operator to buried the connection and put the box on the edge of the property?

    PS. It is better to describe the same problem in one thread, not in one two .
  • #5 16895819
    maciacho
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    Terms of the first page. I applied for changing the connection from 1phase to 3 and raising power from 4 to 16kw. There is an overhead line and in the application I indicated that it has to be a cable in the fence. What should I do to make it cheaper? Conversations with the Lord with PGE always end with a quarrel because he does not want to help, they only advise with a fochem they ask what they want?
    Is the solution with liquidation of the overhead line ms sense? I understand that I will not have electricity for at least 6 months but the amount for me 3k is unacceptable. Maybe it is an option to put a mailbox, it will be cheaper?
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  • #6 16895970
    stacho60
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    Read, for example, for the general concept, https://kb.pl/porady/ile-kosztuje-przylacz-energetyczne-jakie-formalnosci-musisz-spelnic/ .A whether the neighbor paid or not we do not know, every such case is treated individually and depends on a lot of conditions. Eg Energy Company can build a new connection for free as part of the modernization of the line.
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  • #7 16896005
    mawerix123
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    maciacho wrote:
    There is an overhead line and in the application I indicated that it has to be a cable in the fence.


    I suspect that here is the whole problem, since you want cable, you have to cover the costs, but I can be wrong, I do not know PGE's customs.

    In Tauron there is no problem to build 200 m of lines in the price of the connection.
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  • #8 16896069
    stacho60
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    There is no problem like a silent, the author wrote that "distributes" 3 meters from the fence, i.e. cable line. Real costs charged 9,500 zlotys, and this may include the replacement of a cable connection, maybe some cable in the network nn, and it is still unknown what .

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    Oh mistake, hypocritical.
  • #9 16896143
    tom_bart1
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    What is another is the increase in power and the related exchange of connections, and a new connection is something else. With a new connection, you pay only a flat rate for the ordered power, you pay for extra power when you increase the power and exchange the connection, and you participate in the cost of replacing the connection
  • #10 16898881
    pikarel
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    You do not pay for a new connection.
    My connection has been modernized free of charge; four single aluminum wires were changed to 4 copper twisted into the face
    I paid for what was mine: a switchboard to the wall with the equipment (security) and angle with the hook for the carrying cable (although it did not belong to me, because it is in front of the switchgear, but a friend of electrician made it quicker to me).

    Of course, the first approach in the "power plant" - I bear all the costs of materials and workmanship (I do not remember the exact amount, but over 3000 PLN without what I have to do on my own).
    It was only the support of the law (power, ownership) that divided costs for my and the distributor respectively (the power remained the same, so I did not pay anything).
    I will add that this is the third modernization in the history of this installation, for which the "power plant" did not even pay a zloty.

    If your contract is in the same location and same name, only the structure and power are changed
    - the costs depend on whether the official is a tsar, or a normal person who only has to help you, that you can have what you have planned and pay in the future for what you consume and for your wages (this is the execution power supply services, it is no favor of the tsar from behind the desk).
    All you have to do is follow what's up to you according to the "art" or regulations in force (you can ask for it in the office).
  • #11 16898890
    emigrant
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    pikarel wrote:
    four single aluminum wires were changed to 4 copper twisted into the face


    Do you have copper connection? How is this possible. There are no self-supporting copper wires. It is a heavy burden. Unless some with a carrying rope.
  • #12 16898968
    maciacho
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    Anyway, I can not speed up the connections and maybe they will connect me for next winter! However, the price is unacceptable because the cable is 3800 PLN and the air is 2500 PLN.
  • #13 16899695
    pikarel
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    emigrant wrote:
    pikarel wrote:
    four single aluminum wires were changed to 4 copper twisted into the face


    Do you have copper connection? How is this possible. There are no self-supporting copper wires. It is a heavy burden. Unless some with a carrying rope.

    On this I have suspended cables:
    https://dlaelektrykow.pl/elementy-linii-napow...y-przylacza-do-asxsn-4x16-25-polam-naklo.html
    and between the hooks is approx. 12m, from the hook to the switchboard is still 4m in the pipe.
  • #14 16899712
    Pan.Kropa
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    This is the handle for ASXN, the wires are aluminum.
  • #15 16902631
    maciacho
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    Well, you can close the topic because the case unfortunately remains unresolved because it is like no one will change it! For increasing the power you need to make 3x as much as for the new link in PGE, so the state in the state gives no chance, pay and cry! Until the state-owned companies are divided into real private companies, not with government capital, nothing will change in this country for the benefit of the citizen and we will still pay the most in the EU for electricity! No mercy!

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the high costs associated with changing an electrical connection from a single-phase to a three-phase system with increased power capacity at PGE. The user questions why they must pay 3100 PLN for a 3-phase connection when a neighbor paid only 800 PLN for an 11kW connection. Responses indicate that costs can vary significantly based on individual circumstances, such as the type of connection (overhead vs. underground) and the distance from the switching station. Some participants suggest that the user may be responsible for additional costs due to their specific requests for a buried cable and a new connection. There are also mentions of the complexities involved in power upgrades and the potential for higher costs when increasing power capacity. Overall, the sentiment reflects frustration with the pricing structure of state-owned utility companies.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Upgrading to 3‑phase 16 kW with PGE can be 3,100 PLN while a new 11 kW build was 800 PLN; “you have to pay your own costs” for reconstructions. [Elektroda, emigrant, post #16895438]

Quick Facts

Why is my upgrade to 3‑phase more expensive than my neighbor’s new connection?

A new connection is priced by a flat fee per ordered power. An upgrade is a reconstruction of your existing link, so you co‑finance the replacement and any requested changes. That makes upgrades look pricier than brand‑new builds at the same kW. “New connection” and “increase in power” are billed differently. [Elektroda, tom_bart1, post #16896143]

Does asking for an underground (cable) connection raise the price?

Yes, when you request a buried cable and a fence‑mounted box, the distributor can charge you for that scope as a reconstruction. Users report this request as the main cost driver compared with leaving an overhead span in place. Keep the scope minimal if cost is your priority. [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #16896005]

Can canceling my contract and reapplying as a new connection make it cheaper?

It might change pricing logic, but expect a long outage window. One applicant anticipated being without electricity for at least six months after canceling to reapply. Savings can be offset by downtime risk and seasonal delays. Assess continuity needs before choosing this path. [Elektroda, maciacho, post #16895819]

What real costs have people paid for similar reconstructions?

One user paid 1,500 PLN net for 39 m of overhead reconstruction, including AsXSn 4×25 mm², RL fi37 tubes, and clamps. The line was live, so transformer shutdown costs did not apply. Use such cases to benchmark quotes for comparable spans and materials. [Elektroda, emigrant, post #16895438]

How do regional practices differ (PGE vs Tauron)?

Reports suggest Tauron sometimes includes up to ~200 m of line within the connection price, while PGE may bill reconstruction extras separately. This variance explains why neighbors under different DSOs or scopes see very different totals. Compare offers and scope definitions before deciding. [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #16896005]

What is “connection power” and why does it matter for pricing?

Connection power is the kW you contract. New connections are priced by that ordered power. When you increase power on an existing link, you also pay toward replacing or modifying the connection hardware, which changes the bill beyond the kW fee. [Elektroda, tom_bart1, post #16896143]

What is AsXSn cable mentioned in overhead connections?

AsXSn is a self‑supporting, insulated aluminum overhead cable used for service drops. One case used 39 m of AsXSn 4×25 mm² during reconstruction. It enables compact spans without separate messenger wires and is common for low‑voltage links. [Elektroda, emigrant, post #16895438]

Could copper overhead conductors be used for my service drop?

Forum electricians clarified that the discussed hardware was for ASXSn, which uses aluminum conductors. Self‑supporting copper service drops are atypical due to weight, so expect aluminum in such systems. Confirm materials in your scope to avoid surprises. [Elektroda, Pan.Kropa, post #16899712]

How long could I wait for a reconnection if I change plans mid‑process?

One applicant feared reconnection might slip to “next winter,” estimating about six months without power after canceling. Scheduling, redesign, and crew availability can extend timelines. Consider temporary supply or keep the existing service until the new one is ready. [Elektroda, maciacho, post #16898968]

Who pays for what during modernization without changing power?

A user reported free modernization by the distributor when power stayed the same, with the user covering only their own equipment like the switchboard and mast hook. Quoted full costs dropped after clarifying legal responsibilities. [Elektroda, pikarel, post #16898881]

How can I cut my upgrade cost today?

Minimize scope. Avoid requesting a buried cable or moving the box if not essential, since that triggers reconstruction charges. Keep the existing overhead route when safe. Ask for pricing with and without the underground option to compare. [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #16896005]

Is transformer shutdown a hidden cost during reconstruction?

It can be. One user avoided extra charges because the connection was performed under voltage. If a shutdown is needed, switching costs may appear. Ask your operator whether live work is planned to manage this risk. [Elektroda, emigrant, post #16895438]

What does a fence‑mounted meter box change in my quote?

Moving or adding a fence‑mounted box is part of altering the connection layout. That counts as reconstruction, which the operator can bill to you. Keep existing placement if code‑compliant to limit scope and expense. [Elektroda, zbich70, post #16895698]

Why do quotes vary so widely between neighbors?

Each case is scoped individually by distance, materials, overhead vs buried, and whether it’s a new build or reconstruction. Neighbors on modernization programs may pay far less than someone requesting bespoke changes and a power increase. [Elektroda, stacho60, post #16895970]

What’s an example of pricing for cable vs overhead in one case?

The original poster cited quotes of 3,800 PLN for cable versus 2,500 PLN for an overhead solution. This illustrates how underground routing adds cost compared with an aerial span for the same premises. [Elektroda, maciacho, post #16898968]

Quick how‑to: get a leaner, faster upgrade scope

  1. Ask for pricing that keeps your existing overhead route and box location.
  2. Request a separate variant with underground cable to see the delta.
  3. Choose the minimal compliant option and confirm live‑work to avoid shutdown charges. [Elektroda, emigrant, post #16895438]
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