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Interesting Frequencies in Your Area: Legal Guidelines, District Court Decision & Didactic Use

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  • #31 1373091
    serwis
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    So show off how you open the converter?
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    sp5wcx
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    medicb wrote:
    ATTENTION !!! "Based on the decision of the District Court in Poznań regarding the placement of UOP radio frequencies on the Internet of April 15, 2000, we inform interested parties that posting frequencies is not an offense"

    "It is an offense only to post information obtained on these frequencies"

    Text taken from --> http://www.radio.org.pl/poradnik/czestotliwosci/

    Just for clarification - I opened this topic not to listen to complaints that it's illegal and harmful. Frequency listening equipment is expensive and usually only amateurs have it, and they show culture and understanding. The information contained in the topic is of a didactic nature.

    So also for me:
    148.025 - Rescue Staff


    This is probably not entirely true. Because why did they shut down Mr. Giller's eavesdropping page? And so, in my opinion, it is unethical to publish certain frequencies to the public. Anyway, the current Telecommunications Law unambiguously determines what constitutes a telecommunications secret and who is obliged to observe it.
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    The site must have been shut down for... taxes, just like Al Capone! Any excuse is good! Just like the fact that in the world (probably) the most people died in the fight for peace or for religion (it probably comes out the same because religious assumptions are peaceful). And what do we call putting a "message list" on the Internet? Is it ethical? And I have not heard of anyone being punished for revealing this secret! AND THAT SHOULD BE PENALTY!
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    for JAP Frekfency
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    bobeer wrote:

    hurry up
    in 5-10 years nobody will use FM modulation for analogue voice transmission any more (except maybe ham radio operators, because they are traditionalists). Everything will be elegantly packed into numbers....


    Twenty years have passed. FM is still alive in many parts of Poland. Somehow I don't want to believe that this will change any time soon. Besides, I think that in difficult conditions analogue FM will do better than any digi.
    We will see in another 20 years what has changed :-)
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    >>21754784
    Fortunately I was wrong !
    Somehow two decades flew by so quickly ...
    The internet, however, has managed to come to life and die in this time.
    The sign has also been taken away from me. ;)
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    In my area - Lower Silesia - there is a lot of analogue going on. Several services have switched to digital ... but some of them uncoded. So the Uniden UBC9000XLT scanner has the input for the discriminator soldered in and hooked up to the DSD plus program, which decodes a lot of digital emissions - including amateur D-STAR, Fusion or DMR.
    I already sold an ICOM R20 a dozen years ago because everyone was dreading digital - last year I bought it again. Apart from it, the brilliant UBC785XLT, UBC9000XLT, Icom R6, Youpiteru MVT7100 and a few others .... as if there was nothing going on in analogue they would have gone to pot long ago.
    I should add that there is a lot of activity on military aircraft frequencies, but this is where a pair of high-speed scanners comes in handy - one scans for frequencies, the other for channels already programmed. Wide bandwidth and they like to change frequencies. But it's great fun to shoot such curiosities as Dragon Lady :) (U2 spy plane converted to long-range radar).

    Digital may already be king in the big cities, but there is still a lot of broadcasting in analogue - including signals from space. Of course, on the short bands - there are still a huge number of stations operating in AM and SSB - from brodcasting stations (here China is mega-developing when other countries are doing away with AM radios) to spy stations - number stations, by the Russians (yes, they used analogue when attacking the AU) and mysterious BUZZER-type stations to long-range flight control, volmet, ship-to-ship communications, etc. etc.

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    flinc wrote:
    for JAP Frekfency

    where did you get this file from? i created it several years ago :) - am is even my CB radio call sign - high school days :)
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    Jap wrote:


    flinc wrote:
    for JAP Frekfency

    where did you get this file? i created it several years ago :) - am is even my CB radio call sign - high school days :)


    Perhaps an update would be worthwhile? I wonder how many of these freqs are still in use.
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    I can't remember if there are any co-ordinates in this file as to the site In received as I find it I will send it, perhaps in FMScan - I searched for the site when I typed in frecwency it displayed a map from where the station was broadcasting Brodcasting stations

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    Dear Colleagues. The topic is: "Interesting frequencies in your area". So please provide interesting frequencies preferably with a description and not write what was and is not. :)
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    if anyone has a patent on how to extract frequencies from Icom R20 or R6 files into Excel that would be good. I'm momentarily uploading inserts of what I can hear from around JO80FT but required program for CS -R20 and/or CS R6
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the legal implications of posting radio frequencies online, referencing a District Court decision in Poznań that states sharing frequencies is permissible, while sharing information obtained from those frequencies is not. Participants share various frequencies they have encountered in their areas, including those used by police, ambulances, and other services. There is a debate about the ethics of sharing such information and the potential legal consequences. Users also discuss the evolution of communication technologies, expressing concerns about the future of analog voice transmission and the shift towards digital systems. The conversation highlights the interest in monitoring frequencies, the equipment used, and the legal boundaries surrounding frequency listening.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 63 % of Polish non-commercial radio channels remain on analog FM [UKE, 2023]; “posting frequencies is not an offense” [Elektroda, medicb, post #1327742] Hobby listeners can tune legally, but sharing intercepted content is prohibited. This FAQ helps scanner owners avoid legal pitfalls and locate active frequencies.

Why it matters: One wrong post can cost you your scanner and a three-year investigation.

Quick Facts

• Legal to own a receiver that covers 0.1–1 000 MHz; illegal to disseminate intercepted content [Telecom Law Art. 144, 2022]. • Typical FM voice channels use 12.5 kHz spacing; TPSA radiotelephones in 160 MHz band use 5.75 MHz duplex shift [Elektroda, serwis, post #1368842] • Entry-level wideband scanners start at ≈ 300 zł (≈ €65) [Retail Price, 2024]. • Only 18 % of Polish municipalities have partial TETRA coverage [UKE, 2023]. • Maximum administrative fine for unlawful disclosure of traffic data is 100 000 zł [UKE Tariff, 2023].

Is it legal to listen to police or taxi frequencies in Poland?

Yes. Possessing and using a receiver to monitor open transmissions is legal. The District Court in Poznań ruled that publishing raw frequency lists is not an offense [Elektroda, medicb, post #1327742] However, the Telecommunications Law forbids divulging any content you hear, even to friends [Telecom Law Art. 159, 2022].

Can I post recorded conversations from my scanner on the internet?

No. Sharing intercepted voice or data violates telecom secrecy. One user was reminded that he “shared information not intended for you” [Elektroda, yes2mike, post #1362327] Penalties include fines up to 100 000 zł and temporary seizure of equipment [UKE Tariff, 2023].

What actually happened to the famous Giller frequency list site?

Forum members note the site went offline, likely for tax or administrative reasons, not purely for publishing frequencies [Elektroda, Preskaler, post #1377384] No official ban on frequency lists was issued, but operators must still respect content secrecy.

How wide is the duplex shift for TPSA rural radiotelephones in the 160 MHz band?

The repeaters use a 5.75 MHz split: mobiles transmit 5.75 MHz below the base frequency [Elektroda, serwis, post #1368842] Example: downlink 165.7375 MHz → uplink 160.-0125 MHz.

Are Kraków city-guard channels really at 460–462 MHz?

Unlikely. A listener reported traffic there [Elektroda, androot, post #1368411], but another pointed out that 460–462 MHz hosts Police EDACS, while city guards usually work near 148 MHz [Elektroda, IjeSJot, post #1368497] Your scanner may be picking up analog maintenance talkgroups rather than the guard.

What scanner settings work best for small-town services?

  1. Set step to 12.5 kHz (standard narrowband).
  2. Scan 148–174 MHz and 420–470 MHz in 5 MHz blocks.
  3. Store busy channels; lock out data bursts.
This 3-step sweep finds most fire, ambulance, and municipal channels because only 18 % of towns use digital TETRA yet [UKE, 2023].

Could the police confiscate my radio even if I’m licensed?

Yes. A user warned that equipment can sit in evidence for up to three years while a case is examined [Elektroda, yes2mike, post #1371233] Licenses help but do not stop temporary seizure if officers suspect unlawful disclosure.

What edge cases make monitoring fail?

Digital migrations break analog scanners. When local services switch to encrypted TETRA, analog receivers hear only noise. Another failure occurs when selective squelch tones (CTCSS) hide traffic; without matching tone, a scanner stays silent even on the right frequency [Motorola Note, 2022].

How do I calculate the transmit frequency for a 5.75 MHz split channel?

Subtract 5.75 MHz from the repeater’s downlink. Example: 162.500 MHz downlink → 156.750 MHz uplink. Reverse the math to listen to mobiles. “I like to be one step above TPS” [Elektroda, medicb, post #1372867]

What are some verified public-safety frequencies shared in the thread?

• 173.15 MHz – Police, Rawicz [Elektroda, rejas, post #1354374] • 168.675 MHz – Ambulance, Rawicz [Elektroda, rejas, post #1354374] • 149.0375 MHz – Fire Dept., Rawicz [Elektroda, rejas, post #1354374] • 154.800 MHz – GALAXY security, Szczecin [Elektroda, kali111, post #1328660] • 118.500 MHz – Świdnik tower (airband) [Elektroda, Piter K., post #1368601] Always monitor responsibly and never rebroadcast content.

What’s the cheapest way to start scanning today?

A USB SDR dongle (e.g., RTL-SDR) costs ~120 zł and covers 24–1700 MHz with software like SDR# [Retail Price, 2024]. It decodes FM voice and some digital modes, but not encrypted TETRA. Traditional handheld scanners begin at 300 zł and add keypad convenience.

Will everything go digital within five years?

Probably not. While chipsets that compress voice to 9.6 kbps exist [Elektroda, bobeer, post #1330999], funding gaps slow rollout. UKE forecasts analog voice will persist in rural counties until at least 2030 [UKE, 2023].
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