Connecting Multiple 2.5mm Cables to One Circuit Breaker: WAGO Connectors vs Insulated Strips

Dear,

I found old threads about this both here and on the sep forum. Some people even proved by loading with weights that you can connect up to 3 wires of the same cross-section, and others that this should be avoided like the plague.

From my tests on 2.5mm cables, it turned out that two (I note: of the same cross-section) hold very well and three poorly. (If they stick tightly, it's only apparently, one can be easily moved and removed). Twisting here doesn't help, it even makes it worse, they all move. Maybe soldering twisted...

Anyway, are there any professional methods for this? One of the regular users of this forum said that WAGO connectors. how? So loose over the switch?

I also found these small insulated strips on the net:
http://www.empiriakk.pl/lpi-6_czarna_listwa_rzylaczeńowa_izolacyjna_a18-0038,428,3555.html
http://www.empiriakk.pl/lpi-14_czarna_listwa_przyl_izol_a18-1038,428,3559.html
but it takes up one field in the switchgear.

It's important to be insulated. In Castorama, Leroy and Grognie they have only blue and yellow non-insulated.

Any other suggestions?

sforek7 wrote:

Connecting several upstream leads to one overcurrent circuit breaker

I do it by inserting a bent (folded) wire. By introducing even one in this way, you can be sure that it "sits" well, and several will easily go under the clamp.

You can press several wires (similarly to a cable).

sforek7 wrote:

(If they stick tightly, it's only apparently, one can be easily moved and removed)

I understand that hurricanes and hurricanes blow in the switchgear and they will move each of the wires and pull it out ??
Although I do not recognize the connection of many wires in devices, I like to pull them out either to Wago, but then it does not look very nice after opening the switchgear, or on similar connection rails.

Everything must be done with the head, sometimes it is possible to connect 3 correctly, sometimes 4, and sometimes 5 etc. depends on the contact in the camera.

lechm56 wrote:

You can press several wires (similarly to a cable).

Only.

retrofood wrote:

lechm56 wrote:

You can press several wires (similarly to a cable).

Only.

I'm asking to be sure. Can the wires be ironed or is it just a rope? Is there any tool for this?

serwisor wrote:

sforek7 wrote:

(If they stick tightly, it's only apparently, one can be easily moved and removed)

I understand that hurricanes and hurricanes blow in the switchgear and they will move each of the wires and pull it out ??

They do not go crazy but, for example, such switchgear bells make the entire switchgear buzz and vibrate. And I checked it in the market, there was a working SE company on display.

sforek7 wrote:

I'm asking to be sure. Can the wires be ironed or is it just a rope? Is there any tool for this?

Yes, the tip with a sleeve, wires or cord into a sleeve and press in the press.

I also fold them in the eyelets and a few can be easily attached because they squeeze each other. Checked after a few years without any play.

retrofood wrote:

Yes, the tip with a sleeve, wires or cord into a sleeve and press in the press.

And how to disconnect it when measuring or looking for a fault?

It's done like this - horror!

Not a good idea with the sleeve. In fact, it guarantees good contact of the wires with each other and if it is well clamped, nothing will come out. However, this is putting a face on anyone who will look for damage or modify something in this switchboard.
I'm talking about residential switchboards, not industrial ones.
Secondly, if the wires are arranged well, nothing has the right to slide out, and if you can't, the wires will come out of the clamped sleeve.

TWK wrote:

retrofood wrote:

Yes, the tip with a sleeve, wires or cord into a sleeve and press in the press.

And how to disconnect it when measuring or looking for a fault?

It's a theory. Firstly, only homogeneous circuits are connected to eS, e.g. several wires of lighting circuits. Tell me, what measurements can't you make without disconnecting the phase wires?
Secondly, how often do you look for a lighting fault in the switchgear?
Thirdly, if there is such a fault even once every twenty years, you simply cut the connection and the wires are disconnected. I don't think there will be a problem with reconnecting later if the wire has shortened by 20mm (two centimeters).

And so many beautiful solutions are provided by switchgear manufacturers:
https://www.google.pl/search?q=electric+blocks+distribution
If someone today regrets one place in the switchgear, tomorrow he will cry or exchange it for a larger one.

O^O wrote:

And so many beautiful solutions are provided by switchgear manufacturers:
https://www.google.pl/search?q=electric+blocks+distribution
If someone today regrets one place in the switchgear, tomorrow he will cry or exchange it for a larger one.

Looks like not much. These blocks are for large cross-sections of 2.5 and more.


Coming back to WAGO connectors...

I connected it double 2.5mm2. Very rigid construction. The wire in the switch is bent and returns to the connector. It sits very tight. And there are 6 free ones in the connector

Alternative electricity continued...

Łukasz-O wrote:

Alternative electricity continued...

WAGO connectors were suggested by kkas12 in an old thread on this topic.
My connection is just solid.

Each wagtail praises its tail buddy.

First of all, this should not be done from the junction box switchgear.
Is it not possible to run the installation in such a way that the circuit starts with one wire (or two) in the switchgear?
And secondly, what's the point of placing the connector right above the circuit breaker?
Is there no better place in the switchboard?
And how will you connect the protective and neutral wires?
Do you also put the connector under/above the rail?

sforek7 wrote:

WAGO connectors were suggested by kkas12 in an old thread on this subject.
My connection is just solid.

I don't remember him mentioning a Wago like in your picture. Instead, he wrote about terminal strips, the so-called Zugach.

Łukasz-O wrote:

sforek7 wrote:

WAGO connectors were suggested by kkas12 in an old thread on this topic.
My connection is just solid.

I don't remember him mentioning a Wago like in your picture. Instead, he wrote about terminal strips, the so-called Zugach.

"Electrical installation without junction boxes" SEP forum
http://www.forumsep.pl/viewtopic.php?p=52022#52022

Dude are you mocking me? What does a boxless installation and connecting with wago connectors behind the equipment have to do with it?

Łukasz-O wrote:

Dude are you mocking me? What does a boxless installation and connecting with wago connectors behind the equipment have to do with it?

You didn't read it thoroughly. The discussion and statement by kkas12 was exactly about multiple connections to one circuit breaker

jarecki56 wrote:

Quote:

The design of the eSa clamp allows you to connect several wires, even with different cross-sections.

Of course.
And without any twisting of wires.
My oldest connections are already of legal age, and there have never been any complaints on this account.
And it won't, because there is no force that would pull out any of the wires from the eSa, you can only tear off the wire itself or break the entire switch.
There is only one small problem here - you have to be able to do it.
But for practitioners, it's just a piece of cake.

kkas12 wrote:

jarecki56 wrote:

There is only one small problem here - you have to be able to do it.

Of course you have to be able to. Or maybe you just need to know what to use.
To connect stranded wires, use a double TV-type ferrule.
On the other hand, single-core wires can be connected using, for example, a WAGO connector.
Otherwise, the practitioner's advice may turn into someone else's bungling performance.

Moderated By kkas12:

If you once again use my statement taken from another thread to "support" your idea that you presented in the photo in this thread, I will close this topic.
Don't look for my support for a bad solution.

One of them was also doing this in the switchgear, but he used not Wago, but multi-circuit strips.

Effect -

By the way, I would like to point out that the Wago company produces a whole range of products for connecting wires. Not only installation connectors.
link
So just because someone mentions Wago doesn't mean they think like the author of the topic is trying to suggest.

Łukasz-O wrote:

By the way, I would like to point out that the Wago company produces a whole range of products for connecting wires. Not only installation connectors.
link
So just because someone mentions Wago doesn't mean they think like the author of the topic is trying to suggest.

Ah, that's what we're talking about :)