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Connecting cables in a box - wago / twisted pair? How is it now?

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  • #1 15801206
    Diesslay
    Level 9  
    Hello.
    I am preparing a small modernization of the electrical system in my grandmother's house. Due to the fact that there is an old installation, it is necessary to replace practically everything that is outside the meter.

    I have already chosen fuses (from Moeller):
    1.16A for sockets (1 room / 4 sockets = 1 fuse + separate kitchen and bathroom), 3x2.5mm2 YDYt cable,
    2.10A for lighting (1st floor = 1 fuse), 3x1.5mm2 YDYt / 2x1.5mm2 cable (if there are no clinks),

    Now I have a problem of a different nature, because all the time I connected the cables in boxes with twisted pair, additionally soldered and put on heat-shrinkable tubes. Recently, my uncle and I went to the topic of electrical installations and he persuaded me to use wago quick connectors, I knew about them before, but I used them only a few times and only for lighting wiring.

    Is it safe to use Wago for socket wiring, if so, what type to use (because Wago has a whole catalog with these connectors)? I am asking because I would have run away much faster with the job and I hesitate because the opinions are divided. The installation must last for years, so that the grandmother would not have problems with her grandson ^^
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    #2 15801229
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    Nothing has changed in terms of sockets operated by laymen, sockets and lighting in bathrooms - obligatory use of supplementary basic protection in case of ineffective operation of other means of protection against direct contact or in the case of carelessness of users. A friend of course knows what I mean ...
    In terms of connections on the so-called the hammer (twisted pair) also has not changed - you should use appropriate / branded - connections.
    Diesslay wrote:
    2x1.5mm2 (if there are no clinks),

    Please leave the design of the installation to a person who has at least a minimal understanding of the requirements and at least a minimal understanding of the 60364 standard (electric shock protection).

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    #3 15801281
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Diesslay wrote:
    2x1.5mm2 (if there will be no clinks)

    Why 2x?
    Wall lamps or not, it doesn't matter. The protective vein should be and enough.
    Even where it seems unnecessary at the moment, including connectors.

    As for the twists (also called "knuckles", "rams", "petami" etc.) - the times of their glory were when either nothing else was available or what was available was of terrible quality.
    Today's couplings ensure both quick and reliable assembly.
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    #4 15801407
    rafi84
    Level 24  
    As for Wago (and only the original Wago companies), I have been using them successfully for several years. If you make the connection in accordance with the instructions on the cardboard box, there is no whip for something to happen.
    And I mostly use these.
    Connecting cables in a box - wago / twisted pair? How is it now?
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  • #5 15801486
    Diesslay
    Level 9  
    Thanks to everyone for the advice :)
    As for 2x - good to know, thank you beautiful - there will be 3x.

    What are your opinions on Moeller? In fact, I have all the fuses from this company alone at home and there have never been any problems. Unless there are some better companies? I was also thinking about Hager - they are cheaper than Moeller and they have a similar opinion.

    So tomorrow I'm going to stock my equipment with Wago connectors ;)
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    #6 15801524
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    Diesslay wrote:
    I was also thinking about Hager - they are cheaper than Moeller and they have a similar opinion.


    Both manufacturers are a good choice.
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  • #7 15801545
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    Maybe before you go shopping, please provide us with the installation and switchgear diagram.
    It seems to me that you have defined the circuits by accident, and there will not be what you need in the switchboard.
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    #8 15801627
    jann111
    Level 33  
    Diesslay wrote:
    I have already chosen fuses (from Moeller):
    1.16A for sockets (1 room / 4 sockets = 1 fuse + separate kitchen and bathroom), 3x2.5mm2 YDYt cable,
    2.10A for lighting (1st floor = 1 fuse), 3x1.5mm2 YDYt / 2x1.5mm2 cable (if there are no clinks),

    Did you choose wrong, where are the dedicated circuits, and where is the supplementary protection?
    Kitchen on 1 circuit. There will be a washing machine, dishwasher, oven, electric stove .....?

    Moeller is now Eaton, I recommend it because I have been using it for .... always. Acceptable price / quality.

    Twisted pair is not a very good idea. You have probably never looked for a fault in such an installation and disconnected circuits. And I recommend the Wago to the sockets as much as possible. They will work in a properly made installation. I am talking about the original ones, the Wago company.
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  • #9 15801779
    Diesslay
    Level 9  
    No, no, gentlemen, I just wrote it wrong :)

    At the very beginning, an RCD, then fuses for each circuit in turn. There is one 16A fuse for 4 contacts, in addition, kitchen and bathroom will have completely different circuits. As for lighting, 1st floor = 1 fuse 10A. There are 3/4 circuits in the kitchen because the kitchen has only a washing machine, kettle and cooker. It would be pointless for all devices to hit the fuses after turning on all the devices :)

    At the beginning of the topic, I only wanted to highlight the cable cross-section and the company from which I want to buy the fuses.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around modernizing an electrical system, specifically the use of Wago quick connectors versus traditional twisted pair connections for socket wiring. Users emphasize the safety and reliability of Wago connectors when installed according to manufacturer instructions, recommending their use over twisted pair connections, which are considered outdated. The conversation also touches on the importance of proper circuit design, including the necessity of dedicated circuits for high-demand appliances in kitchens and bathrooms. Brands like Moeller (now Eaton) and Hager are mentioned as reliable options for fuses, with users sharing positive experiences regarding their performance.
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