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Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More

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  • #1 14454609
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    The question is as in the topic, namely:
    Is there any clever solution to connect several cables (wire and cord) together to one place. This is a standard problem with all kinds of LED power supplies, halogen fittings, etc.

    Is there anything else besides building branches from WAGO cubes, connectors or soldering?
    How to make this type of connection so that it takes up little space and is safe? What utensils to use?
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  • #2 14455057
    pol102
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Cables, wires or wires? Maybe some wire markings? Sections?

    Added after 29 [seconds]:

    Cable working conditions?
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  • #3 14455945
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    In: YDYP 450 / 750V 3X1.5
    Out: OMYP 300V 2X1.5

    Working in confined spaces with limited ventilation:
    - above the suspended ceiling in the bathroom
    - electrical box / cabinet

    These are various types of power supply connections to LED lister and branching 230V (halogen fittings)
  • #4 14456959
    pol102
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Electrical box / cabinet - TH rail connector strip. On the OMYP bushings. Alternatively, distribution blocks for the TH bus.

    Suspended ceiling in the bathroom. Hermetic / relatively "high IP" junction box, lamp scales or fasteners.
  • #5 14458019
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Thanks to Pol102 for the answer,
    I meant something a bit less professional and extensive - a rail, sleeves (+ crimper), blocks are a considerable expense and a lot of space.

    Of course, when it comes to a hermetic box, it must be mandatory, some of these installations will land in such a box (for safety purposes and the convenience of subsequent service)
    The whole point comes down to how to do it to fit all these cables into a small box. The dimensions of the box must allow it to be placed above the ceiling through the spotlight hole (68mm) or on the thin protrusion between the false ceiling and the actual ceiling (70mm x 30mm x any length).
  • #6 14458867
    pol102
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    The TH rail strip costs a staggering PLN 7 per item ... the sleeves are a penny thing. Crimper you say ... half of this forum clamps with flat tongs and cutters or does not tighten and tighten sharply on the strip.
  • #7 14458936
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    pol102 wrote:
    Crimper you say ... half of this forum clamps with flat tongs and cutters or does not tighten and tighten sharply on the strip.

    You mean all the forum users, including all the "thin wire" specialists who think they can handle thicker ones too?
    Or only Installations and Networks?
    If so, do you also include all the amateurs, heroes in the house and handymen?
    This "half" is probably too optimistic ... ;)
  • #8 14459413
    TWK
    Electrician specialist
    pol102 wrote:
    Crimper you say ...
    For infrequent use, you can buy an insulation stripper with a crimping tool up to 6 mm? for several dozen zlotys. A pack of sleeves costs a few zlotys. If someone is doing minor works in a housing estate, then such a set is enough ...
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  • #9 14472537
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Okay, you persuaded me to buy something like that for the whole 6 zlotys -> Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More Another gadget for a box, and a pocket knife can do more (according to that rest of the forum ;) )

    A strip for PLN 7 ... um .. but the question still remains, how to fit it in such cans that will fit in the previously mentioned places.
    Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More

    Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More

    Can the claws of the strip be removed without losing safety or any other problems?
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  • #10 14472704
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    This is not a ferrule crimper
  • #11 14472955
    tomiok
    Level 33  
    Examples of crimping tools:

    Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More

    Efficiently Organize & Bundling Multiple Cables: LED Power Supplies, Halogen Fittings, & More
  • #12 14477931
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Cool pictures of boxes ;)
    it is a pity that you did not include some details about the tool itself - what should you pay attention to when choosing?
    The item posted in my previous post is described as "CABLE CRIMPERS FOR CABLE CRIMPERS" so what is missing in it?

    Please, give me a more substantive opinion. There are a lot of threads on the forum about RJ crimping tools, but no such threads.
  • #13 14478571
    tomiok
    Level 33  
    Galaxy Mark wrote:
    Cool pictures of boxes ;)
    ...

    THX :D


    Galaxy Mark wrote:

    it is a pity that you did not include some details about the tool itself - what should you pay attention to when choosing? ...

    Easy, durable and good tip clamp?

    Galaxy Mark wrote:

    The item posted in my previous post is described as "CABLE CRIMPERS FOR CABLE CRIMPERS" so what is missing in it?

    Connectors or sleeves - because I got lost ...
  • #14 14478781
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Galaxy Mark wrote:

    it is a pity that you did not include some details about the tool itself - what should you pay attention to when choosing? ...

    Easy, durable and good tip clamp?

    It's like in this joke when you get in a taxi and say you want to go home ;)

    Galaxy Mark wrote:

    The item posted in my previous post is described as "CABLE CRIMPERS FOR CABLE CRIMPERS" so what is missing in it?

    Connectors or sleeves - because I got lost ... [/ quote]

    I think that the seller called it that, without distinguishing: Sleeves / Cables / Connectors - it looks like this from the photo (and description). So maybe something like this will be appropriate:
    Haup crimper and this is the maximum budget that I am able to spend on a one-time connection of about 20 cables + unknown future ;)
  • #15 14478795
    jack63
    Level 43  
    Galaxy Mark wrote:
    The item posted in my previous post is described as "CABLE CRIMPERS FOR CABLE CRIMPERS" so what is missing in it?

    To throw this crap away for scrap.
    Galaxy Mark wrote:
    it is a pity that you did not include some details about the tool itself - what should you pay attention to when choosing?

    Enter "HI crimper" in google and you will get thousands of results.
    A decent crimper has an adjustable crushing force. It is profitable to buy for "larger" jobs. Over PLN 100.
    Personally, I do not support crimping tools as in the second photo of my friend @tomiok . They knead quickly and HI ends "fly out" like a Pawlak lock.
    In principle, you should not use ferrules and wire crimping tools. Only a line!
    The wire is screw joints or something like WAGO. A few lines can be securely tightened with a good crimper after inserting them into a larger, preferably a double HI sleeve.
    HI sleeves are up to 35mm2 (then so-called flails), so with your 1.5 you can choose a sleeve depending on the number of wires you connect. The method of insulation may vary, depending on whether you only make a "flower" like the Americans or connect it further with, for example, wire.
  • #16 14478834
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Thus, the universal but very large WAGO of the 222 series remains
  • #17 14478846
    jack63
    Level 43  
    If it is :
    Galaxy Mark wrote:
    this is the maximum budget that I am able to spend on a one-time connection of about 20 cables + unknown future

    it's probably the only way out.
  • #18 14492071
    Galaxy Mark
    Level 8  
    Does it make sense to solder strings instead of bushings?
    Both individually and "braids" of several?
  • #19 14494789
    bearq
    Level 39  
    Galaxy Mark wrote:
    Does it make sense to solder strings instead of bushings?
    Both individually and "braids" of several?

    No, once you have to play with soldering, the cables run out, the extension cord pulls and the tips burn out. After soldering, in the event of a failure, you need to cut or unsolder the entire bundle. For this current, tin, equipment, time, etc.
  • #20 18013494
    leowrobel
    Level 10  
    jack63 wrote:
    In principle, you should not use ferrules and wire crimping tools. Only a line!

    Please elaborate on this remark and provide specific examples, assuming that such a sleeve clamped on wires will be treated with a decent screw clamp.
    I mean connecting wires of different diameters (e.g. 1.5 and 2.5 mm2).

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around efficient methods for organizing and bundling multiple cables, particularly in confined spaces such as above suspended ceilings and within electrical cabinets. Users explore alternatives to traditional methods like WAGO connectors, soldering, and TH rail connectors, seeking compact and safe solutions. Suggestions include using hermetic junction boxes for safety, crimping tools for cable connections, and various types of sleeves and connectors. The conversation highlights the importance of selecting appropriate tools and materials, with considerations for space constraints and safety regulations. Users also debate the practicality of soldering versus using connectors, emphasizing the need for reliable and easily serviceable connections.
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