Comparing Satel Integra 64 vs. Integra 64 Plus: Differences, Benefits

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#31 15298609 04 Jan 2016 11:02

dariusz.bembenek dariusz.bembenek

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lukzak2298 wrote:
A timer is one thing and a latch is another thing.

That's true.

lukzak2298 wrote:
Is there a risk that the control panel will start to go crazy if someone presses the button too short or too long? What is the issue of debouncing?

The terms short / long will be closely related to the sensitivity of a given input.
If someone presses the button for longer than the input sensitivity, it will violate the input only once. Holding the button longer (e.g. 10s) will not cause the input to be activated again.

The rule is:
- zone violated (after the "sensitivity" time)
- the next violation will be recorded by the control panel when the zone first returns to its normal state and only then is violated again.

By the way, these questions should be in a separate thread, because it is difficult to see any connections with Integra 64 vs. Integra 64 Plus.
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Does it matter when choosing a unit with a plus / without a plus? Do the inputs (sensitivity time) of the outputs (bistable toggle) work the same?
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Both for regular Integra exchanges and those with "Plus" - the principle is the same.
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I chose Integra 64 plus due to the E-Mail notification via the ETHM module. I regret it because I did not realize how much resources are needed for setting selected logical dependencies. Now, if I were to buy 100%, I would take Integra 128 plus.

From the goodies I made:
- in each room I have 4 momentary buttons (two double). If someone does not know which is what and wants to turn off all the lights (the whole room when leaving), just press two momentary buttons simultaneously (a pair of buttons)
- entering the house with the alarm on (entry delay) turns on the lighting in the hall (only when the light sensor detects that it is already dark) so as not to trip while disarming the alarm
- arming the alarm causes CO information to be sent to the furnace that it has switched to night mode
- disarming the alarm causes the blinds to open (only when it is bright)
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The discussion centers on the comparison between the Satel Integra 64 and Integra 64 Plus alarm control panels, focusing on their differences, benefits, and suitability for smart home integration. Key distinctions include the Integra 64 Plus's additional power supply, USB support, and compatibility with Grade 3 detectors, which may not be essential for typical home use. The Plus version also supports thermostat functions and email notifications via the ETHM-1 Plus module, while the standard Integra 64 lacks these features. Users express concerns about the number of inputs required for various smart home devices, the types of keypads (7-inch vs. 4-inch), and the implications of using momentary versus bistable switches for lighting control. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the specific functionalities and limitations of each model to make an informed purchasing decision.
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Comparing Satel Integra 64 vs. Integra 64 Plus: Differences, Benefits

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TL;DR: Satel Integra 64+ adds USB, 3EOL, thermostat and email; one ABAX controller links up to 48 wireless sensors [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14502829] "Security is definitely very good" [Elektroda, dariusz.bembenek, post #14497383] AES-192 encryption secures mobile control.

Why it matters: Choosing the right model early prevents costly re-wiring and input shortages later.

Quick Facts

• Extra hardware: Integra 64 Plus includes second 1 A AUX PSU and onboard USB [Elektroda, Misiekfu, post #14497098]
• Email/SMTP: Needs Integra Plus + ETHM-1 Plus; standard 64 cannot send mail yet [Elektroda, Stan-Mar, post #14497140]
• Wireless capacity: 48 ABAX devices per ACU-120/270 controller; each ATD-100 uses two zones [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14502829]
• Encryption: Mobile app uses 192-bit AES key replicated from 12-byte panel passphrase [Elektroda, dariusz.bembenek, post #14497383]
• Siren wiring: 4×0.5 mm² up to ~10 m is adequate for non-battery sounders [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14591522]

1. What hardware upgrades does Integra 64 Plus offer over the standard 64?

The Plus board adds a second 1 A AUX power supply, onboard USB for quick programming, 3EOL/NC zone handling, Grade 3 detector compliance and thermostat logic with ATD-100 sensors [Elektroda, Misiekfu, #14497098; Elektrode, dariusz.bembenek, #14497383].

2. Is the price premium for the Plus version justified in a typical home?

If you need email alerts, thermostat functions or >32 hardwired zones, the Plus pays off; otherwise the standard 64 covers basic alarm and lighting control at lower cost [Elektroda, Stan-Mar, post #14497140]

3. Can I connect a 7-inch TSI keypad to a non-Plus panel?

Yes. TSI communicates via the same RS-bus; both Integra 64 and 64 Plus accept it [Elektroda, Misiekfu, post #14497098]

4. How do I enable email notifications?

Install ETHM-1 Plus, wire it to the panel bus, enter SMTP data, and tick “Send E-mail” in DloadX. Only Plus panels support the command-level SMTP frame [Elektroda, Stan-Mar, post #14497140]

5. How secure is smartphone control?

The MobileKPD2 app exchanges 192-bit AES-encrypted frames; the 12-character key you set in ETHM is mirrored to 24 bytes internally. "Security is definitely very good" [Elektroda, dariusz.bembenek, post #14497383]

6. How many ATD-100 wireless thermostats can I add?

Each ACU-120/270 controller supports 48 Abax devices; every ATD-100 occupies two zones, so one controller handles up to 24 thermostats [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14502829]

7. Does the TSI’s network port replace an ETHM module?

No. The TSI LAN is only for its own configuration, camera streams and master-slave linking. Remote programming or MobileKPD still needs ETHM-1/ETHM-1 Plus [Elektroda, dariusz.bembenek, post #14664344]

8. Is 4×0.5 mm² cable enough for a siren 10 m away?

Yes; the on-board fused outputs protect the circuit, and that cross-section carries the typical 300 mA load safely [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14591522]

9. Can I use 2EOL to read two light switches on one zone?

Technically one contact would show as alarm, the other as tamper, but separate zones remain far simpler to program scenes [Elektroda, mayer2005, post #14591522]

10. How many virtual outputs can I create on Integra 64?

The sum of physical plus virtual outputs is 64; complex logic (e.g., >80 scenes) therefore needs Integra 128 or 256 [Elektroda, lukzak2298, post #14596685]

11. What happens if shutter ‘up’ and ‘down’ relays fire together?

Motors can stall and overheat within 30 s; include interlocking relays or Satel’s blind-type outputs which internally lock opposite directions [Typical installer practice].

12. How frequent are firmware updates and what do they add?

Updates arrive irregularly; Satel sometimes slips in new features and sometimes only bug-fixes without changelogs [Elektroda, dariusz.bembenek, post #14497383]

13. How-to: Three steps to enable mobile control via ETHM-1

Wire ETHM-1 to panel bus and router.
In DloadX, set panel key & network parameters.
Pair MobileKPD2 by entering IP, port and 12-character key. Finished—you now arm/disarm and toggle outputs remotely [Elektroda, Misiekfu, post #14497098]

14. Edge case: what if I exceed AUX PSU load?

The panel’s electronic fuse shuts at roughly 1.2 A; sirens and sensors drop offline until the overload clears, so calculate current draw with 30 % headroom [Satel Manual; typical spec 1 A max].