Integrating Satel Integra Alarm with Smart Home Systems: Compatibility Options?

Hello,
I've been doing quite a bit of reading/watching recently about the complete Integra alarm system from Satel. In the meantime I have come across topics related to the so called "SMART HOME". I have watched quite a few YT videos, mainly from the USA and the UK, where various modules/devices from manufacturers and their complete solutions are used, with the option of e.g. "own hub" or WiFi communication, where practically most are additionally compatible with Amazon's "Alex", "Google Assistant" or Apple's Siri.
I do not deny that such "smart home" solutions are impressive and can sometimes be super convenient for the householder, but I am sometimes horrified by the scale of these solutions and the method of communication of these modules, i.e. WiFi. It would be nice to take advantage of certain solutions, but how could it be combined in the future with the Integra (XX) from Satel (model not yet selected) so that everything would work together? And anyway, in the case of using such SMART modules/devices on WiFi, can I install a basic Integra for the alarm function only and select the rest of the control from other manufacturers in order to create an intelligent installation, i.e. SMART HOME.

In fact, isn't Satel a bit behind and would it be worth letting it go and looking for a SMART type alarm?

I see interesting solutions such as "SMART switches" or Shelby and Sonoff modules, which can be mounted in various configurations directly in the flush-mounted box and using the standard house wiring.
What do you think of these "SMART" solutions?
What if the "router" fails or in general a large number of these modules are used.

This is probably an open-ended topic, so I have only briefly described my point of view. Due to the variety of possibilities, I am really "lost" at this point and do not know in which direction to go when planning the electrical/intelligent installation in my house. The choice of available options is huge, but I don't think we can go crazy and break down the control of all or even almost all the devices in the house using the voice or the smartphone.

What are your views on this now? Is it possible to design something that will last for a couple of years, will be both reliable and expandable or will it be compatible for the future, e.g. with other voice assistants (maybe even some created by Poles , e.g. "Okay Stefan.... tell me where "Grazyna" is and tell her to make dinner"

Greetings

Sebastian

In my opinion, do not overdo it and approach the subject sensibly. More devices mean more points of failure and more energy consumption, and not every functionality will be used later. The integra works well for me to operate the lights, as I use the motion sensors from the alarm, and a common power supply.

kanias wrote:

And really, isn't Satel a bit behind and would it be worth letting it go and looking for a SMART type alarm?

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No - Satel specialises in alarms and SMART HOME systems such as Fibaro, Grenton, F&F....

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kanias wrote:

<br/span>And really, isn't Satel a bit behind and would it be worth letting it go and looking for a SMART type alarm ?

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No - Satel specialises in alarms and SMART HOME systems such as Fibaro, Grenton, F&F...

I know that Satel mainly produces alarms, by writing the above I meant the purchase of some ready-made solution straight off the shelf which can be assembled without too much trouble by yourself with a simple manual in your hand. Satel is probably not so simple.

It is simpler than Pyronix, DSC, Jablotron especially for the protagonists of the house.

freebsd wrote:

In my opinion, do not overdo it and approach the subject sensibly. More devices mean more points of failure and more energy consumption, and not every functionality will be used afterwards. Integra works for me to operate the light, as I use the motion sensors from the alarm, and a common power supply.

Freebsd,
Could you write a little more about how you have a PIR detector controlling e.g. light activation and where it is mounted.
I would like to be able to use it for example to switch on the hot water after entering the bathrooms or e.g. after approaching the staircase or entering the garage. Of course with the standard use of switches.

I don't want to install smart modules like sonoff or shelby everywhere, because this is expensive and not necessary, but I would like to be able to use some SMART solutions.

@kanias The focal point of my flat in the block is a large hallway. As it is in the centre of the flat, there is no window there. To avoid the effect that you stop being able to see when you go from a bright room to a dark hallway we used to switch on the 'main' light there.
I changed this and entrusted the light control to Satel. The motion detectors in the hallway (three, because it's big) relay information to the control panel of the alarm, and this, according to the rules, activates the lighting at a given intensity. This interacts with the time of day, as, for example, after 22.30, lighting of a lower intensity is switched on. The lighting is switched on for 45 seconds after the last detected movement. This is independent of the main light sources in the hallway LED lighting.
The detector for opening the entrance door to the house in turn controls the illumination of this entrance. An open door means not only that the entrance is illuminated, but also that the hallway light is activated temporarily. Of course, movement in the hallway extends the lighting activation time. This is convenient because when returning home with some shopping, the lighting switches on by itself.
Also, in the event of a mains power failure, the LED lighting in the hallway is activated for 20 minutes. Since both the alarm and the LED lighting are powered from the same transformer I have no additional losses on several power supplies. The hallway lighting is also powered by a battery, so it is a kind of emergency lighting.
Currently I have only done so much. I have no need to control the lighting in the rooms remotely. That's what I have remote controls for. But I do have, for example, smoke and temperature detectors, and flood detectors integrated with this alarm, its sirens and SMS notification.

Welcome,

freebsd wrote:

Also in the event of a mains power failure the LED lighting in the hallway is activated for 20 minutes. As both the alarm and the LED lighting are powered from the same transformer I have no additional losses on several power supplies. The hallway lighting is also powered by a battery, so it is a kind of emergency lighting.

Surely it is a good solution to power the LED lighting from the same power supply and battery as the SSWiN control panel? What if there is a short circuit in the LED circuit or frequent AC power outages? Will there be enough battery capacity to properly maintain the power supply for the SSWiN?

Regards.

The battery is a proprietary and suitably sized battery, with an alarm-only backup time of around 4 weeks Battery last replaced this year The light comes on for 20 minutes after a power failure or when motion is detected, so power consumption is low. The 230 V power supply is also protected by voltage relays.
The LED supply is adequately protected against short circuits - simply a fuse. Plus SMS notification, family lives +/- nearby and neighbours strongly familiar and staying all the time (freelance). Plus I don't have anything particularly valuable in the flat. I value this light control more than the security functions. Great convenience and I'm considering extending to bathrooms, but there's not enough time to play around.
In the past there used to be power outages several times a year. Now somehow less often. And then it was very cool when the light suddenly went out, and you just had to wait half a minute for your eyesight to get used to the semi-darkness in the rooms (the light came on in the hallway). There was no need to look for torches in the dark. I recommend this solution.