Comparing Satel Integra 64 vs. Integra 64 Plus: Differences, Benefits

Question

Hello! I am trying to make an alarm installation with smart house elements at a low cost (lighting control, in the future roller shutters, electric lock and solenoid valve, connecting a central heating stove). I am trying to read what are the differences between the Integra 64 and Intergra 64...

Misiekfu · Accepted Answer

Ad1.
You can connect the TSI keypad to both control panels. Of such significant differences, Plus has an additional power supply, USB on board, support for 3EOL and Grade 3 detectors, which is not the most important in the case of a home.
Ad2.
The TSI (7 ") and TSG (4") manipulator are two completely different devices and their biggest difference is not the size. TSI is a small control center that you can freely configure and set, which in my opinion is important and useful with a "Smart" house. TSG is practically an ordinary manipulator, only with a touch screen.
Ad 3.
You connect the ETHM module with Integra via the data bus and connect RJ to the router (switch), configure the output to the "city" and control what you want.
To send an e-mail from the headquarters then Integra Plus will be useful, but I think that with any next firmware update we will also send an e-mail from the regular Integra.
Ad 4.
I won't tell you here because I don't want to tell you stupid things

Stan-Mar · Accepted Answer

for sending e-mails only Integra Plus and ETHM-1 Plus. Ordinary, for the time being, there is no such possibility.

dariusz.bembenek · Accepted Answer

Ad.1.
PLUS has (apart from the mentioned)
- thermostat functions (in cooperation with ATD-100)

If you want to send e-mails, as of today only ETHM-1 Plus. There is no gibberish here, you just need to spend some time reading.

lukzak2298 wrote:
How is the connection between android and the control panel secured? I saw that there is a certificate file in the android application? Is it true? Was it just my imagination?

There is an encryption key (AES 192 bits, or 24 Bytes). No file is given for encryption. The file concerns only the macro buttons (as you have an application with the note "PRO").
In the control panel for ETHM-1 Plus, you set the key (max. 12 characters, i.e. 12 bytes). Then it is programmatically duplicated to 24B = 192b. The security is definitely very good.

lukzak2298 wrote:
From what I can see, ETHM is not an ordinary RS to TCP converter that can be replaced with any one?

It cannot be replaced with any. In addition to the RS-232 connection, there is also a bus connection (remote system management).

lukzak2298 wrote:
What are the possibilities of this Android app?

Such as a physical LCD keypad, meaning you do what you want.

lukzak2298 wrote:
Are there frequent updates for Satel devices? And are they related to the bugfix or are they adding something new?

It is different. When it comes out, as a rule, you will not find out what the reason is. Sometimes better new functionality and sometimes they are ashamed to admit and quietly throw in the new firmware.

Another thing:
If you decide to steer in the future, consider purchasing the I128 or I256. The currently selected Integra64 may turn out to be too small if you are carried away by your fantasy.

Misiekfu · Accepted Answer

Right! I bought Integre128 Plus for myself, I have not started well yet and I am afraid that I will miss it

Alberciak · Accepted Answer

For me, Integra 128 controls the lighting in the entire apartment, the backlight of cabinets in the kitchen, roller blinds and a detachable alarm

mayer2005 · Accepted Answer

Exactly

mayer2005 · Accepted Answer

ad1 With 2 EOLs, one button will generate violation, and the other - tamper. If you thought about programming, this sabotage could also be used to control the lighting from the second button. However, it will be much more practical to allocate 2 zones of the control panel to two buttons.

ad2 Signals do not need to be additionally secured. The outputs on the board are protected. For most signalers, 4x0.5 is the minimum. Better to put 6x0.5

ad3 It is not possible

ad4 These 3 additional outputs are power supply for the KPD, EX1 and EX2 buses

mayer2005 · Accepted Answer

Whether the momentary switches (so monostable) or on / off (bistable), you answered yourself in question 1. If you want to have full control, you have to use momentary ones. And because, for example, you use turn on / off, when the user turns the light on with the switch, the control panel will not be able to turn it off (i.e. in 30 seconds after you leave the facility).
However, on the other hand, the use of on / off switches does not make you completely dependent on the control panel. So in case the system breaks down, you will still be able to turn on the lighting.
In the case of on / off switches, you can switch off all lighting circuits globally. Then you need to use an additional output that will completely cut off the power supply to these circuits.

Yes, the 0.5 wire is enough for the signaling device.

In your case, Integra without PLUS is enough. However, if you expand the system with heating control in the future, you should pay extra for the PLUS.

If you buy INT 64, you only have 64 outputs (physical + virtual). If there are, for example, 100 outputs to be used, then as you write - INT 128

ad1 For this example you will need - as you write - one virtual output. But it will be for one physical output (with a relay). Subsequent physical outputs will "need" more virtual outputs. To expand the functionality a little, you can, for example, add another virtual output programmed as an alarm from this room. So the light will turn on when there is an alarm in this room (of course, everything depends on the dusk sensor)

ad2 That's right

ad3 It can be done. You will need to create a virtual input with a "blocking" reaction type.

ad4
a- in the "roller shutter ..." type outputs you have the "control in armed mode" option. So as you select, the shutters will close when arming and will open when disarming.
b- it will be possible
c- in fact, I don't know how the blind will behave when it gets "faze" up and down at the same time. I have never tried it :-P

But as you write - there is a nice clear diagram somewhere on the forum to prevent such contingencies ;)

Yes, you understand a little bit of Integra programming ideas

dariusz.bembenek · Accepted Answer

Not at all, because it is not an interchangeable configuration. Quite simply, TSI has a built-in network card that allows you to: - upload the configuration via LAN (no need to remove the memory card) - set the preview from mjpeg / h.264 cameras in the TSI - make a master-slave model, i.e. two TSI keypads, where one is connected classically (bus + lan) and the other is connected only to the Ethernet network. These devices connect and you get a remote / remote manipulator. If you want remote programming via DloadX, the Mobile KPD2 application, etc., it must be ETHM-1 (ETHM-1 Plus).

lukzak2298 · Answer

From what I can see, ETHM is not an ordinary RS to TCP converter that can be replaced with any one? What are the possibilities of this Android app? Planning to configure a VPN on his router, but I also hope that the control panel itself has some possibilities to tunnel traffic on the public side? Are there frequent updates for Satel devices? And are they related to the bugfix or are they adding something new?

mayer2005 · Answer

Great words. I found out for myself that 64 exits in a two-room flat is not enough

lukzak2298 · Answer

Thanks for all the answers. You're right, I must start with a good thought on how many questions I need to enter, hence the questions:

Alberciak wrote:
For me, Integra 128 controls the lighting in the entire apartment, the backlight of cabinets in the kitchen, roller blinds and a detachable alarm

do you connect lights switches to Integra for inputs (each room with 2 buttons = 2 inputs)? That's how I made it up, right?

dariusz.bembenek wrote:
Ad.1.
PLUS has (apart from the mentioned)
- thermostat functions (in cooperation with ATD-100)

Regarding the ATD-100, I have questions:
How much of this can be connected to Integra?
Do you need to buy something for Integra or is a bare Integra with a plus enough?
Are there wired versions?
Where is the temperature interpretation performed (selection of thresholds - in the ATD-100 or on the control panel side)?
What kind of batteries come there?

dariusz.bembenek wrote:
Ad.1.
There is no gibberish here, you just need to spend some time reading.

Regarding no gibberish, nothing can be learned from the information on the site. There is no standard in presenting subsequent versions of the product, a comparison table. I just downloaded the attachments (instructions) and then it brightened up a bit (not much more), I even printed myself. So my questions are not just laziness but trying to make sure what I read is right.

Misiekfu wrote:

Quote:
Another thing:
If you decide to steer in the future, consider purchasing the I128 or I256. The currently selected Integra64 may turn out to be too small if you are carried away by your fantasy.

Right!
I bought Integre128 Plus for myself, I have not started well yet and I am afraid that I will miss it

I want to start with a small installation, because I treat the current flat as a training ground to check various solutions before building a house

But thank you for your valuable advice. I wonder why people buy such expensive computers for smartphones, when everything can be done at such a low cost on the Integra? I want to check for myself what this beauty can do.

mayer2005 · Answer

1. You can connect as many ATD sensors as you have inputs in the control panel, keeping in mind that ATD takes up 2 inputs. 2. Integra alone is not enough. You need to buy an Abax ACU 120 or ACU 270 controller. You can connect 48 wireless devices to each controller. Alternatively, the Integra 128WRL already has Abax in it, but there is no thermostat-type output - an output specially dedicated to controlling heating in the apartment. 3. There are no wired versions. 4. In the Integra PLUS version, the temperature can be set in the menu from the user's position. 5. CR 123 batteries

lukzak2298 · Answer

So, after buying this sensor + ABAX module, I have to provide 2 more inputs in the control panel for each sensor, right? And then I will be able to regulate, for example, actuators on radiators?

mayer2005 · Answer

Yes

lukzak2298 · Answer

And then I will select the control output on / off thresholds independently for each room (assuming that there will be a measurement in each room)?

lukzak2298 · Answer

Question 1
Regarding 2EOL. Assuming that I want to control the light at home with Integra. Until now, I assumed that how many switches in the house I need, so many inputs (e.g. if there is a 2-button switch, I need 2 inputs). Can the 2EOL functionality be used for each double switch? The fact that it could be physically possible I know. Only if Integra provides such functionality.

Question 2
How are signaling devices secured (what fuse)? Is 4x 0.5 sufficient for a siren (about 10m of cable)?

Question 3
Is it possible to configure Integra so that each input shorting (opening) causes a binary counting, e.g. on 2 outputs:
00
01
10
11
00
e.t.c.

Then I could, for example, by connecting one button, change, for example, lighting modes

Question 4
It concerns the enclosed fragment of the manual: how many of these outputs are there. From what I understand, there are 16 of them, 4 of which are high-current, but there are also some 3. So how many are there?
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lukzak2298 · Answer

ad1, so I already know that it is not worth combining. One switch one input. Now the question is what is better, traditional key switches or switches such as for a bell (with a spring - spring-back [monostable?]) What do you recommend? It seems to me that the jumpers will be good for sure in cases where I have more points from which I can turn on / off one light and what about other cases?

ad2. I meant more about the cross-section, I asked a little wrong. Will 0.5 (about 10m) be enough for the signaling device? Siren without battery.

And my other doubts about the purchase - plus or not - plus. Is there any noticeable difference in Intergra 64 programming compared to Integra 64 plus? Any new opportunities? Something that I may need appeared in the plus? I skip 3eol. Below I will describe a few things that I want to control, please answer whether I can do it on Integra.

I understand that when I buy Integra 64+, I have only 64 outputs, even if I would like to do only 16 physical ones and I need, for example, 100 fictitious ones, I have to buy Intergra 128?

And the next questions, this time with specific examples:
1. I plan to turn on the light in the house from normal switches. The second condition is 30 seconds after leaving the house (switching on the standby), all lights in the house should be turned off (I often forget about it). How many fictional outputs will I need? My guess is that I have to set For each output (with a connected relay output) program AND (where the inputs will be the activity of the AND button, the fictitious output "alarm disarmed"). So I need as many outputs as I have relays plus one fictitious - used for each of the ANDs ??

2. In addition, I need that when the twilight sensor detects dusk in the corridor, the light turns on regardless of the arming state of the alarm, the light turns on from the motion sensor. So I have to configure a fictitious output of AND type (PIR sensor AND dusk sensor) and to control the relay output to the light in the corridor I have to use OR (defined fictitious output OR button from the light) ???

3. I have a PIR sensor at the exit and a reed switch on the front door. I would like the manipulator to squeal when entering the apartment and not when leaving the apartment. The idea is that if the door is open (not locked), it should squeal when someone enters, and not squeal when someone leaves. I read that you can block the exit with one entrance for some time. I thought that the PIR would block, for example, the squeaking from the reed switch for several seconds. What do you think about it? Could you do that? From what I saw the manual, it is possible

4. I have electric blinds. I want to control them with INT-TSG. I saw that there is a possibility of debugging macros. Is it possible to do something like this:
a) when the alarm is armed, the roller shutters should be closed completely (you need to program it at the outputs or using the keypad macros)?
b) to be able to partially close the blinds from the manipulator?
c) what should the roller shutter exits look like? Do you need to somehow secure the relays so that the engine does not get up and down at the same time (I read such a solution on the electrode) can you trust the satellite?

When reading the above, can anyone confirm that I understand the idea of Integra programming at least a little?

lukzak2298 · Answer

I recently found out that TSI manipulators can be connected to ETH. Can anyone tell me where I can read something about the possibilities of such a connection? I can't find. To what extent can such a combination replace ethm?

lukzak2298 · Answer

I have a few more questions:
- how to set the inputs for controlling roller shutters (what type of input)
- how to set the inputs for lighting control (what type of input)
- why if I set the roller shutter output, the latch parameter fills up? why do I need it?

mayer2005 · Answer

ad1. 47 No emergency action ad2. 47 No emergency action ad3. In case of a roller shutter type output, this parameter is irrelevant.

Alberciak · Answer

Hello

I have the inputs for roller shutters and lights as "no alarm action", but if you want to set up a trap for a thief, set it as normal (5), then when a thief enters and wants to turn on the light, it will trigger an alarm

The roller shutter output can be timer controlled. Therefore, timers that you can modify are entered. If you do not program the timer, the control will only be via inputs.

dariusz.bembenek · Answer

The roller shutter outputs can be timer controlled, but not directly. If the timer (for roller shutters) is active, the given roller shutter output will not be activated during arming / disarming.
Hence the name: blocking timers.
The point is that, by default, the armed mode controls the roller shutter at the same time. This can be completely turned off (by unchecking a special option) or only allowed at specific times.

Alberciak · Answer

Dariusz.bembenek, you are not quite right, because the option to control the roller shutters when the system is turned on / off is done with the option - standby does not control the roller shutter, which is available in the output settings of the roller shutter up / down. Timers are used to directly control the outputs at the days and times specified in the table.

dariusz.bembenek · Answer

I wrote: having in mind the option Standby does not control the roller shutter. I also wrote: Because the timers available at the roller shutter outputs are not control timers (as for the output 24. Mono Switches), but only blocking timers. Quote from DloadX help:

Alberciak · Answer

Sorry, you're right.

dariusz.bembenek · Answer

No problem, I think the interested party doesn't need this information anyway

lukzak2298 · Answer

Thanks for the answers. It seems to me that my colleagues are a bit off the subject. A timer is one thing and a latch is another thing. The question concerned a parameter described as a latch.

I will control the light using the bistable output. Each press of the temporary attachment (there may be several) is to alternately turn on and off the given output. I guess that's how it will work. The question is how it works in practice. Is there a risk that the control panel will start to go crazy if someone presses the button too short or too long? What is the issue of debouncing?

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