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Broken Seal on Main PGE Fuse Box: Potential Penalties and Reporting Procedures

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  • #1 14749281
    popdamian
    Level 1  
    Hello. I have a problem, I damaged the seal. At the main fuse box, what penalty will I get? The electricity supplier is PGE, report it? Greet and wait for a reply.
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  • #2 14749296
    bestboy21
    Level 40  
    You report damage to the seal and pay about PLN 100 for them to come and seal it.
  • #3 14750240
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering  
    popdamian wrote:
    I have a problem, I damaged the seals.

    You have to have a seal with you buddy. They have a 991 or call centre, the numbers are on their inter site.
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  • #4 14750376
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Here is the PGE Dystrybucja tariff. The fee for sealing is in point 5.1.8

    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    You have to have a seal with you buddy.

    What does "have with you" mean? Should I keep the broken seal in my pocket or cupboard and show it to the DSO staff when requested?
    If so, on what basis?
    And what if I don't show it?
  • #5 14750405
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics  
    There is probably no legal basis, but at RWE it has always been customary for electricians to leave broken seals in meter boxes for the ZE employee who seals the measurement after work.
  • #6 14750416
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Well, it's a custom (by the way, the right one).
    But not that you have to.
  • #7 14750426
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics  
    Custom, not custom, inspectors in the technical department always reminded me of this when I applied for unsealing.
    This was to prove that the seal was there before.
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  • #8 14750637
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering  
    In order not to be groundless, a quote from the regulations of RWE-Stoen. Quote;
    All work on the measurement and billing system, related to the removal of seals
    by the DSO to the metering and billing system may be performed only under the conditions
    agreed with the DSO or in the presence of authorized DSO representatives.
    i) The Recipient may remove the seal without the consent of the DSO only in the event of a justified occurrence
    threat to life, health or property. In any case, the Recipient has an obligation
    immediately notify the DSO of the fact and reasons for removing the seal, and is obliged to secure and provide the DSO with numbered seals placed by the DSO in the event of a justified need to remove them.
    So it's not just their invention, but a normal practice found in various parts of Poland.
  • #9 14751077
    kasprzyk
    Electrician specialist  
    In my region - Enea, whenever I report the need for unsealing, is it a security measure? factor. or meter - they never mention the need to leave the old seal - or else, no one has picked it up yet, which does not mean that it is the same everywhere.
    kiss
  • #10 14751120
    stomat
    Level 38  
    The fee for affixing a seal is a fee for an activity performed at the "additional request of the recipient". If you report, i.e. "order", you pay, if you don't report, you don't pay anything. Oh, such a curiosity. There is no charge for missing a seal.
  • #11 14751223
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    stomat wrote:
    There is no charge for missing a seal.

    That's true. But, on the other hand, the lack of a seal is "breach of the contract"... ;)

    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    Not to be rude...

    Thank you for the quote from the RWE regulations. Probably other operators will follow this path (or maybe they have already gone, because I am not up to date with TOO).
    Nevertheless, so far the fitter has entered the numbers of the removed seals into the order because of him , while the ones taken off by the recipient were noted as "lack" and no one bothered - unless, of course, the lack of a seal was not related to "some" evil practice ...
  • #12 14751253
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering  
    zbich70 wrote:
    unless, of course, the lack of a seal was not related to "some" evil practice ...

    I think that the matter is deeper, the suppliers got their ass UOKiK. And this is probably the aftermath of this decision.
  • #13 14752008
    kasprzyk
    Electrician specialist  
    Well, we all got a minus - who is writing the truth here now? :) :)
  • #14 14752025
    bestboy21
    Level 40  
    kasprzyk wrote:
    Well, we all got a minus - who is writing the truth here now? :) :)


    Because with energy it is now like with PKP, 100 companies with 2 presidents in each, an application for a seal must be written to a different department, and for a broken line to another department, of course, each company has a separate department for cleaning and a separate department for choosing the color of paint they have transformers to be painted, the president of the company for the colors of transformers is a graduate of the Academy of Fine Arts and receives PLN 9,900 for pointing to a can in a store. Later, the current of the road and it is not surprising that electricians from each region are taught different customs.
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  • #15 14752042
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    kasprzyk wrote:
    Well, we all got a minus

    It's such a fashion now to "hate" everything, even without reading or even evaluating...
    There was a thread somewhere about this unnecessary feature. But High Command explained that she had to stay.
    Well, I am passionately clicking the pluses... :D
  • #16 14752051
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Enough. And pluses and minuses.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the implications of damaging the seal on a main PGE fuse box. Users suggest that reporting the damage is necessary, and a fee of approximately PLN 100 may be incurred for the electricity supplier, PGE, to reseal the box. There is some debate about the necessity of retaining the broken seal for inspection purposes, with references to customs and regulations from other suppliers like RWE. It is noted that while some regions may not require the old seal to be left behind, it is generally advisable to report the damage to avoid penalties, as a missing seal could be considered a breach of contract. The conversation highlights the variability in procedures across different electricity suppliers and the importance of following local regulations.
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