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Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

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  • #1 15571986
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    I often search forums for information on the repair of various devices. I am very annoyed by the fact that the producers do not provide (even for a fee) service manuals. And they wish for exorbitant sums for repairs or force them to buy new devices. Therefore, I decided to share information on the pages of this forum about my fight with a damaged Bose GS1E 66 920A car amplifier. from the Mazda 6.
    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1
    I hope that this information will help others to repair themselves and save a lot of money (a new amplifier in Mazda costs about 6kPLN)
    The story begins when one day when I started the car I heard a loud crack in the loudspeakers (the sound you get when you turn on bad amplifiers without a speaker protection system) As a moment earlier there was a storm, I thought that the car must have accumulated some electrostatic charge and it probably was cause. After that one click, the radio started to play normally. In the following days, similar crackles began to appear randomly while driving (not when starting the car). Interestingly, these crackles started to appear more and more often until one day after starting the car, instead of playing, the amplifier started to generate a loud rattling noise on all the speakers. The sound sounded like someone was feeding a square wave signal to the amplifier input. Restarting the amplifier did not help.

    Added after 1 [hours] 6 [minutes]:

    After dismantling the casing, we can see such a layout

    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

    To begin with, I decided to identify the main components of the amplifier to understand what the author meant :) It was not easy, but it looks like this in the end

    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

    Then it was time to connect the amplifier outside the car, I managed to find SEVERAL VERSIONS of the diagram, so I was forced to draw my own after checking if it was the same for me

    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

    I gave the voltage to + 12V, ground and additionally + 12V to the REMOTE ON terminal

    More discoveries in the next message

    Added after 28 [minutes]:

    The amplifier has a DSP processor that corrects the acoustics of the car. The signal from the amplifier inputs is sent to the A / D converters in the CS42438 circuit, then in digital form to the DSP processor, from where it returns to the CS42438 from it to the power amplifiers and then to the loudspeakers. As it is unlikely that all six channels (power amplifiers) were damaged at the same time, my first suspicion fell on the power circuits.
    I checked whether the voltages at the stabilizer outputs are correct, as shown in Fig.
    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

    On pin 1 of the NCV8141 chip + 12V appears (power to the amplifier), the second output is the stabilizer (turning the key in the car gives the voltage to this foot, the so-called REMOTE ON), on foot 7 we have + 5V output. This voltage supplies the A / CC / A converters and the second ST2L05-3300 stabilizer which produces two voltages + 3.3V for Converters and DSP, and the second voltage + 1.25V supplying the DSP core.
    It turned out that all voltages are correct and are applied to the appropriate pins of the converter and DSP as described in the manufacturer's documentation

    Added after 4 [hours] 45 [minutes]:

    The amplifier connected to the table took about 0.7A from the power supply, none of the stabilizers got hotter in the A / D converter, DSP and serial memory were also cold. The power amplifiers, on the other hand, sounded light.

    After checking the correctness, powered on all integrated circuits, I thought that maybe the problem is that the power amplifiers send a diagnostic signal to the processor which stops work. From the data of the TDA circuits, I read that they can be controlled by I2C. Unfortunately, after checking the system configuration in the amplifier, it turned out that these systems work independently and do not use I2C.
    I decided to connect the audio signal to one of the inputs and check what was happening
    The signal reached the inputs of the A / D converter and that's it. Searching for signals on individual pins of the converter allowed to discover an interesting thing - regular reset pulses appear on the reset leg. There was an idea that maybe the A / D converter is damaged and the processor is trying to reset it. I found such a converter in a drawer quite by accident and replaced it. Unfortunately, that didn't help either.

    Further research revealed that the reset pulses were also applied to the DSP, which meant that it was not the DSP that generated the reset.
    I returned to the datasheets again and it turned out that the source of the reset signal is a + 5V stabilizer which is equipped with a watchdog input and must receive pulses of the appropriate frequency from the processor and if it does not get them, it generates a reset signal.
    I checked with an oscilloscope that the DSP does not actually communicate with other parts of the system. The only floating signals appear on the oscillator pins and in the clock reset pulse on the serial memory pins.
    and so I came to the conclusion that the problem is in the DSP.

    Unfortunately, checking this theory must wait until the ordered processors arrive :)

    So that the story will have to wait for its ending
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  • #2 15619616
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    On Monday, thanks to my friend Romek from AGH in Krakow, I received DSP processors (Romek officially thanks :) )
    One of them took the place of the old one and the amplifier came to life :)

    It is true that, as it turns out, this is not the end of the story, because after turning it on to the car, minor disturbances and sound fading appear from time to time. Sometimes one of the channels fades a bit, sometimes you can hear it as if one of the speakers was playing against the phase.

    I have suspicions that this is the power part ... but we'll see ...
    Puki what the amplifier returns to the workshop

    Added after 2 [hours] 47 [minutes]:

    The culprit has been found :)

    It turns out that the ST2L05-3300 stabilizer is the cause of the interference
    it should give two voltages + 3.3V and 1.25V, it turns out that instead of 1.25V there is 1.65V and even on the multimeter you can see that it is very unstable. On the oscilloscope, instead of a horizontal line, we have a picture resembling an audio signal with an amplitude of several hundred mV, which at a nominal voltage of 1.25 is a big error

    Interestingly, after cooling this system, the output voltage stabilized to 1.3V and a smooth line appeared on the oscilloscope :) that would explain the damage to the DSP

    Time to start looking for the layout
    If someone accidentally had such a stabilizer, I will gladly buy it :)
  • #3 15632698
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    The stabilizers are on their way ... I hope that the car will play at full power soon.
    I was thinking about using a different stabilizer, but I did not find a direct replacement. There was also a concept of using two separate 3.3 and 1.25V stabilizers, but unfortunately the original system provides 1A of current on each of the outputs and what I could buy on the spot had a maximum of 0.25A. So if I have to bring something from abroad, let it be the original :)

    Kris
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  • #4 15678698
    testpilot9
    Level 2  
    Any results?

    Greetings from Slovenia ;)

    Dodano po 37 [minuty]:

    Did you have to program this DSP or you just installed new one (DSPB56374)?
  • #5 15679406
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    hello

    Today have arrived the ST2L05-3300. I hope that tomorrow I can find a moment to replaced them
    Recent observations suggest that the problem is certainly in stabilizer. I hope that the exchange of it will be a formality and the amplifier will be finally repaired.

    As for the exchange of DSP you can exchange without fear . The program is located in the external serial memory .

    Kris
  • #6 15682766
    testpilot9
    Level 2  
    Ok, great. Thank you for info.
  • #7 15682785
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    Hello

    Finally, I managed to replace the stabilizer and ... the amplifier sounds without any crackles or distortions :)
    Replacing the stabilizer is not easy and you have to do it a bit. For those who have a similar fault and want to repair it by themselves, I suggest you start with desoldering the DSP and the stabilizer, and then solder the new stabilizer first and check if it gives the right voltage ... and then solder the DSP ...
    And this is how the story of repairing a certain amplifier ends. I hope that my description will be useful to someone :)

    Kris
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  • #8 15682799
    testpilot9
    Level 2  
    I already ordered new components.. I will replace them as you suggested. Hope it will work again :)
  • #9 15782963
    feliz009
    Level 2  
    Hi, what's your total cost for parts? :)
  • #11 15809143
    feliz009
    Level 2  
    Could the stabilizer itself be a problem? Is it a rule that if the stabilizer is defective, the processor is also damaged?
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  • #12 15809656
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    The DSP is powered with 1.25V when the stabilizer is broken, it is likely that the DSP is also falling, although I had a situation that the stabilizer was unstable, it interfered with the DSP work but did not damage it ...


    K.
  • #13 15809676
    feliz009
    Level 2  
    Ok. I ordered both parts ... because everything flies from China anyway.
  • #14 15809695
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    and did you check what voltage is currently giving the stabilizer?
    Pay attention to whether the voltage is stable during the measurement, fluctuations were visible even on a multimeter and it is best visible on an oscilloscope. For me, the output voltage from the stabilizer resembled an audio signal on an oscilloscope. And after freezing the stabilizer, it returned to normal and there was only a horizontal line on the oscilloscope

    K.
  • #15 15916445
    kocek
    Level 20  
    Hello. Can you write what power amplifiers are used in this amplifier, I have one on my wallpaper with desoldered ones and I can't find anywhere what's sitting there?
  • #16 15916569
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    I think everything will be legible in this picture :)
    Mazda 6GH 2008 - Bose GS1E 66 920A The history of a certain amplifier part 1

    Kris
  • #17 16095979
    Catalin80
    Level 2  
    I replaced ST2L05-3300 stabilizer. but still does not work amplifier. not hear those crackling in speakers. but I still do not sound. I saw your scheme with yellow REM word, what he means?
  • #18 16097006
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    hello
    Rem means "RemoteOn" if you would like to run amp out of car you have to connect +12V, Ground and remote line connect to +12V
    If all voltage n PCB are correct (+3V3, 1V25) its mean you have problem with DSP

    Best regards
    Kris
  • #19 16097431
    Catalin80
    Level 2  
    I will replace the DSP. But do you think that the memory could be affected?
  • #20 16134831
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    Program for DSP is stored in external memory
  • #21 16381092
    KW
    Level 21  
    What is the type of DSP processor in this amplifier? What is the housing of its how many feet?
  • #22 16384160
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    In one of the pictures you have a symbol that fully describes the processor version including the housing ...
  • #23 16434837
    Catalin80
    Level 2  
    I first replaced ST2L05-3300, then I replaced CS42438 and DSPB56374AE. Now the amplifier works as before. Everything is OK. These parts can be ordered on sites in China. Thanks for your help "KrisNext"
  • #24 16683951
    DejanV
    Level 2  
    Hi,
    I'm experiencing the same problem with my bose amp. I have read the post and it is very detailed. Thanks for the information.
    Can you tell me where to take the amp to replace this parts so I can solve the problem, what kind of electronic shop can do this change?
    Or do you do it yourself?

    Br,
    Dejan
  • #25 16684392
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    Hello DejanV
    I exchanged all damaged parts by myself. Replacement of components in particular stabilizer requires experience and appropriate tools. If you have no experience, you can ask someone more experienced to help with the exchange of SMD components. I think if you find a service in your neighborhood and you show them my repair description they will be able to carry it out. The problem may be getting damaged components. For this it is suggested to check whether the problem is only with stabilizer or also with DSP.
    I bought components on the aliexpress website. Of course you can search in Digykey or farnell

    Best regards
    Kris
  • #26 16685834
    DejanV
    Level 2  
    Hi Kris,

    I went to a local mobile repair shop and show them the parts that need to be replaced and they can do the replacement. So i was thinking of ordering the parts form aliexpress. Do I need to order all of them or to start with the stabilizer (My frend chek this part and this is definitely faulted) and then to check if it is working. And continue step by step with the other parts. Or to order all of them and replace all of them. What do you think?

    This are the parts the i have found at aliexpres. Are they correct parts?
    ST2L05-3300
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ST2L05R3300PS...id=8c9d1e70-530b-42f1-948f-8292758c229c&tpp=1

    DSPB56374AE
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DSPB56374AE-I...lgo_pvid=2950db8c-6c64-4ba8-bb21-1e72dda80270

    CS42438
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping...lgo_pvid=9f2dc92a-ddb9-496b-9f64-a9fa6f2d3668

    Thanks a lot for your help.
    Br,
    Dejan
  • #27 16997118
    DejanV
    Level 2  
    Hi,
    I have replaced all of the parts and the AMP is working perfectly.
    Thank again for your assistance.

    Br,
    Dejan
  • #28 16997365
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    Grat news :)

    Chris
  • #29 17212880
    adimixer
    Level 9  
    Hello
    Allow me to connect to the topic with one question.
    What line signal does the Bose amplifier accept from the control unit? Will connecting the line signal (sub out) to the Alpine ILX-700 not damage the Bose amplifier?
    My goal, namely, is to use the Bose amplifier with its passive subwoofer installed in place of the spare wheel.
  • #30 17213154
    KrisNext
    Level 12  
    Honestly, I don't know, I have never checked it
    It is definitely a symmetrical signal. But what is the level of it I do not know
    Recently I have been earned a lot, but when I find some time and never forget it
    it will try to measure it.

    greetings
    K.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the repair of a Bose GS1E 66 920A amplifier from a 2008 Mazda 6GH. The original poster shares their experience with a malfunctioning amplifier that produced crackling sounds and intermittent audio issues. They identified the ST2L05-3300 voltage stabilizer as the source of the problem, which was providing unstable voltage outputs. After replacing the stabilizer and the DSP (Digital Signal Processor), the amplifier was restored to full functionality. Other participants in the forum contributed by sharing their own repair experiences, discussing component replacements, and troubleshooting techniques. The conversation also touched on the compatibility of the amplifier with other audio systems and the challenges of sourcing replacement parts.
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