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Understanding the Operation of Modern Digital and Analog Uniphones: DAC, ADC and Power Supply

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How do modern digital and analog uniphone intercoms work on two wires without a microcontroller, and where are the ADC, DAC, power supply, and direction switching?

These “digital” intercoms often do not use an ADC or DAC in the speech path at all: the panel sends calling pulses, the handset whose address matches the pulse count is selected, and the actual voice communication remains analog over the line [#16290977] In many systems the handset is powered only when selected; a long reset pulse or a counter/microcontroller then waits for the short address pulses, whose timing varies by manufacturer [#16290977] Speech is transmitted like in analog telephony, and two wires can carry both power and conversation, while analog systems usually need more wires or a separate pair per apartment [#16290977][#16296051] The main practical difference is that “digital” systems let many handsets share one pair and are less likely to be blocked by a bad receiver, while some products are only conventionally called digital and fully digital systems also exist [#16296051][#16300510] To understand a specific unit, you need its schematic or to probe it with an oscilloscope or logic analyzer, because the exact pulse scheme and implementation depend on the manufacturer [#16290977]
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    Sylwek07
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    I am looking for the principle of operation of modern digital and analog uniphones. As, for example, in digital uniphones, power and sound are transmitted both ways by means of two wires. I have been looking on the internet for some time and I only find a general description of the intercom operation and connection diagrams. And I am most interested in how on a small board with just a few simple integrated circuits without the use of a microcontroller it was possible to make an electronic circuit that includes a DAC, ADC, power supply and switching the transmission direction?
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    Sylwek07
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    So digital from analog differs mainly in that there are more wires in the analog ones and the transmission there is very simple because it is realized in one direction? Do I understand correctly? And the name digital is due to the fact that the call is made by pulses, and the sound transmission is carried out analog?
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    guciq
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    I install farfis intercoms and they are fully digital - each device has its own address. Even the image from the camera runs on 2 wires together with audio and power
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    I do not have access to such documentation, but check the manufacturer's prices - they do not look like analog :)
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    R-MIK do not fight the windmills. There are intercoms only conventionally called digital, such as ACO, Laskomex, Proel and fully digital intercoms. Some companies offer them, e.g. Bticino, Farfisa, Siedle, BPT, Comelit, etc.

    best regards
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    guciq
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    In the Farfis duo (digital) system, each device has an address, and in addition, everything goes in one pair. In theory, up to 20,000 thousand users can be connected! You can call up images from ordinary analog cameras. Intercom calls do not block connections. and with the # button you can remotely open the gate or street. From the internal panel with 1 button you can call the mobile phone (emergency) to help the elderly or children when something happens. Possibility of remote programming by sending codes from the installer's mobile ... etc.
    And you stay in the analog as you like
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    Just have a look, for example, here: www.alpol.com.pl.
    You have everything there - catalogs, manuals, etc.
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    When you buy, you get Polish instructions :) Bdw English is almost a standard when it comes to electronics
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    As someone wrote, you fight with windmills. Besides, Polish instructions are available for each product (at the bottom next to the description), the menu of devices is also in Polish. But you'd better report it :)
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    Since R-MIK led me on the trail, I already know the principle of operation of intercoms, thank you for the information.

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✨ The discussion centers on the operational principles of modern digital and analog uniphones, particularly focusing on the functionality of DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter), ADC (Analog-to-Digital Converter), and power supply systems. Participants clarify that many so-called digital intercoms primarily utilize analog technology, where sound transmission occurs in one direction and calling is initiated through pulse signaling. The digital systems, however, can operate over fewer wires, allowing multiple devices to connect without blocking the system. Brands like Farfisa, Bticino, and others are mentioned as manufacturers of both digital and analog intercoms. The conversation also touches on the complexities of audio and video transmission, codec requirements, and the challenges of documentation availability for these devices.
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