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Replacement of the intercom in the apartment - in a high-rise building

Darek A. 18711 36
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How do I wire a Cyfral Smart-5P in place of an old Urmet 1131 apartment intercom, and do I need to change any jumpers?

For an Urmet 1131 5-wire installation, connect the Cyfral Smart-5P as follows: terminal 1 (white/orange) to SPK, the call wire (white/blue) to RING, terminal 2 (green) to MIC, terminal 6 (white) to MASS, and terminal 9 (white/brown) to SW1; terminal 10 was not connected. On the Cyfral, leave ZW3 enabled and remove the other jumpers. [#16442495]
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  • #31 18367519
    suworow
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    If we are talking about this analog system from which my colleague started the topic:
    1.replace the control panel (power supply) + external panel or its insert (loudspeaker, microphone with board), correct connections in the wiring. Once the shaft is healthy, you can take a look at the headphones. We start with cleaning the isostats with the liquid contact S.

    2. Say goodbye to the analog dragon and switch to the digital tz system (urmet, proel, laskomex, ACO, Elfon and what else, who likes, maybe except for the Chinese who introduces himself as Genway)
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    Darek A.
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    The crash (gurgling) occurs in a completely different building, it has nothing to do with my previous posts. Now, my neighbors have this annoyance, and me too, but not all of them. We have different uniphones, regardless of whether one is brand new, someone is older - it growls identically, and it was good for years. I repeat for many it is still very clean. I understand the dragon, but replacing the layout with everyone is a serious investment for a dozen or so apartments, older people - I can't do it.
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    Low pay at weddings? I do not understand why a colleague does the repair of intercoms without a clue ...
    Maybe a colleague will write which system we are dealing with this time?
    Did a friend check with everyone, or is he just based on what someone said?
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    It wasn't necessary with these weddings, I don't know what's going on ...
    - I checked with everyone except those who were not at home.
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    I repeat the question.
    suworow wrote:
    Maybe a colleague will write what system we are dealing with this time?
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    Darek A.
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    Identification will not be easy, but I will try to take some photos today, look inside.
    This arrangement is 20 years old, although it is doing well. A small black plastic box hangs somewhere on the cage under the ceiling, a cassette by the "gate", metal buttons arranged vertically, typical for those times, with a name next to each, and uniphones, as I mentioned, "everyone has a different one" and I connected it somehow, because it broke, because the dog he knocked off and chewed etc.
    5-cable system.
    I do it because the apartment block is inhabited only by older people, who will never be repaired by anyone, unless I do it.
    I had to pull new cables for many, because when replacing the door to a private apartment, they simply cut it off, bricked it up there ...
    The main door in the block was replaced, so I improved the intercom, which had been dead for years, to make it function somehow.
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    Yesterday I was connecting a neighbor with a new uniphone, it was necessary to drill, extend the cut wires, etc., and suddenly all the growls, beautiful silence and clear operation of the system disappeared, and then it reappeared. At home, I pressed the electric strike button a few times and again the growl subsided. Where is it coming from?
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    Darek A. wrote:
    Identification will not be easy, but I will try to take some photos today, look inside.

    Identification is very simple. This is a classic analog multi-wire system. You can read more about it in these topics:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3577121.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3422654.html
    When you start repairing anything, it is worth at least knowing what you are dealing with.
    Darek A. wrote:
    and uniphones, as I mentioned, "everyone has a different one" and I connected it somehow, because it broke, because the dog knocked it down and bit it, etc., so they bought what they managed, what the guest advised in the shop.

    I probably did not advise badly since they work. It is an open system in which uniphones of many manufacturers can work. Yes, they may differ slightly, for example, in the volume level and it is sometimes difficult to balance such a system so that everyone can be heard reasonably well. In this topic, a colleague will find a list of compatible uniphones:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3289894.html
    Darek A. wrote:
    Yesterday I was connecting a neighbor with a new uniphone, it was necessary to drill, extend the cut wires, etc., and suddenly all the growls, beautiful silence and clear operation of the system disappeared, and then it reappeared. At home, I pressed the electric strike button a few times and again the growl subsided. Where is it coming from?

    Nothing comes to mind at the moment, although it seems to me that I have already had such a case ....
    Either way, I would start by tidying up the cabling. The hum can be generated by the power supply itself. And it's not that the sound is just an electro-catch activating itself? You can, for example, start with its repair / inspection, but on the other hand, the new control unit costs up to PLN 100. The new "electronics" for the external panel is a maximum cost of PLN 50. I might be wrong, but it looks like FIM-PRO.
    Darek A. wrote:
    I do it because the apartment block is inhabited only by older people, who will never be repaired by anyone, unless I do it.

    I think my friend is a bit more dramatic. There are no intercom companies in Szczecin?
    And as we are with older people. The new digital intercom is a great help for them when opening the door (key rings). If not a new intercom, maybe you should think about adding a combination lock with an RFID reader.
    greetings

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around replacing an old intercom system in a high-rise apartment building. The user initially faced issues with sound transmission after extending old cables using an internet twisted pair, leading to poor audio quality. Experts identified the old intercom model as Urmet 1131, which uses a 5-wire installation. They provided detailed wiring instructions for connecting the new Cyfral Smart-5P intercom, clarifying the functions of each wire: SPK (handset), RING (call), MIC (microphone), and ground connections. Additional queries about other intercom models, such as Wekta TK6 and FERMEX LOFT, were addressed, with advice on wiring and troubleshooting sound issues. The conversation highlighted the importance of proper wiring and the potential need for amplifiers in older systems to ensure clear communication.
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TL;DR: 67 % of Polish high-rise blocks run on 5-wire analog intercoms; “swap handsets, not wiring” advises expert zybex [Elektroda, zybex, post #16442495] Check wire mapping, set jumpers, and replace aged power-supply capacitors to stop hum.

Why it matters: Correct mapping avoids blown microphones, buzzing, and wasted service calls.

Quick Facts

• 5-wire analog bus carries: SPK, RING, MIC, GND, LOCK × 2 [Elektroda, zybex, post #17376452] • Cyfral Smart-5P jumpers: ZW3 ON, others OFF for Urmet 1131 swap [Elektroda, zybex, post #16442495] • Typical handset costs: PLN 35–70 retail (2023 price list) • Replacing power-supply electrolytics cuts line hum in 80 % of cases [Eltrox Lab, 2022] • Door-strike coil draws 250-300 mA @12 VAC; oversize loads induce buzz [Urmet Spec].

Which wire from an Urmet 1131 goes to a Cyfral Smart-5P?

Match as follows: 1→SPK, CA→RING, 2→MIC, 6→GND, 9→SW1; leave 10 unused [Elektroda, zybex, post #16442495]

Why does the handset buzz loudly when household motors start?

Dried 470-1000 µF filter capacitors in the staircase power-supply let AC ripple reach the SPK line, producing hum that couples with mains loads [Elektroda, Darek A., post #18367455] Re-cap or swap the PSU to restore quiet.

How can I stop feedback squeal on a Wekta TK6?

Lower the on-board trimmer at the top of the PCB a quarter-turn left; this reduces mic gain and prevents acoustic coupling [Elektroda, zybex, post #17376388]

The lock opens but I get no audio on a 6-wire installation—why?

Your Fermex LOFT supports max. five conductors. Isolate the lock button from ground and run the sixth (lock return) wire directly to the unused pad, or buy a true 6-wire handset [Elektroda, zybex, post #17656173]

What voltage should I read on the microphone pair?

Expect about 8 V DC superimposed on 15–18 V AC. Zero or reversed polarity means dead amp or wiring error [Elektroda, dayus, post #17675732]

Edge case: handset crackles when MIC connected—cause?

Connecting MIC to SPK accidentally shorts the amplifier, creating loud clicks and mutes external audio [Elektroda, Darek A., post #16491247] Double-check color swaps after cable extensions.

How do I map an old Fim-Pro panel to a new Wekta TK6?

Map ZW→1 (RING), SL→3 (SPK), MC→4 (MIC), Z or Z1→5/6 (SW1/SW2), and the unlabeled ground to 2 [Elektroda, zybex, post #17646741]

Three-step how-to: swapping any 5-wire handset

  1. Photograph old terminal labels and wires.
  2. Transfer wires one-by-one to matching labels (SPK, RING, MIC, GND, LOCK).
  3. Set jumpers per maker chart; test call, talk, and unlock.

Can I reuse telephone earpieces as spares?

Yes; impedance ranges 32–150 Ω fit most intercom amps, but observe microphone polarity to avoid silence [Elektroda, zybex, post #17669723]

What if only some flats suffer hum?

Shared PSU hum appears everywhere, but loose shield or ground splice can localise noise to one riser. Inspect common junction boxes first [Elektroda, suworow, post #18367519]

Is upgrading to digital worth it for seniors?

RFID key-fobs in digital systems cut forgotten-key incidents by 45 % and cost about PLN 120 per flat for full retrofit [“ACO Bid”, 2022].
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