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Comparing Faac 740, Faac 741, and Came BX78 for a DIY Sliding Gate Installation

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  • #1 16451435
    dj_alen
    Level 10  
    Hello, I'm preparing to mount the automat to the sliding gate. The gate assembled a few years ago I have no idea how much it can weigh, gate light 4m and 2m tail. The drive wants to be assembled by itself and not for a company to do it. From a friend I heard that fitters come with a measuring instrument to measure what force is needed to close / open the gate and it is something like a weight made of a spring and scale. I found something like this and checked my gate when closing it needs about 20 kg to move then it goes with a draft of about 10-15 kg and the last 50 cm is already about 32 kg of draft. I wonder if the drive up to 500 kg Faac 740 with max thrust 450 N is enough or look for a more powerful drive e.g. Faac 741 to 900 kg and 650 N or Came BX78 up to 800 kg and 800 N. As far as I understand the ideas of measuring the thrust in kilograms and converting it to Newtons, a drive with thrust up to 400N is enough. And it is clear to me that we buy the drive with a reserve of power due to winter etc. only what reserve should be included? And is my thinking with the conversion of kilograms of thrust into newtons given by producers right?
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  • #2 16452539
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    The max 32 kg of gate resistance force is about 310N and theoretically the 400 N should be enough, but you will see that in winter the situation will get complicated - the drive will have to have the strength to break the resistance of hardened grease from frost and what the gate could break the frost and ice bridges in the guide.
    Generally, according to a slightly different criterion - gate weight - prophylactically all kumat fitters take a double supply, according to yours - much more accurate (by the way the right course of thinking - ok) I would also suggest a double supply of pulling power - i.e. more powerful drives. Not much more expensive and peace and not frostbitten palnie worth every money.

    PS. Such a system with a spring and scale - I remember from school - is a dynamometer. I use (and only for the electrification of really heavy gates - which could be counted on our fingers on one hand ..., lighter obligatorily - not to multiply beings - we prophylactically supply drives with suitcases with very high power) for suitcases. Small equipment and a range of up to 180 kg is sufficient for the heaviest gates.
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  • #3 16484745
    lesmian45
    Level 19  
    Do you know the weight of this gate? In my opinion, this should be the starting point, because the drive still needs a power reserve when working with the gate.
  • #4 16487572
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #5 16489636
    Alpha
    Level 26  
    Enter information about what this gate is (what filling: mesh, wood, steel ...), or give a photo. If the net is Faac 740 (up to 500kg) is enough. In this weight category it is in my opinion the best choice of quality for the price.
  • #6 16489916
    lesmian45
    Level 19  
    I can also recommend BFT Deimos Ultra 600.
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  • #7 16490151
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    Well, with matching bollard and not exotic (but with powerful configuration options and a large work culture) I will add Nice Robus 600.
    Quote:
    Good drive brands take winter into account and increase temperature-dependent power.

    And as for the aforementioned popular on our market, only Tousek has such extras, but for a price of PLN 300 higher than other drives of this class (i.e. a higher average), and the availability and price of spare parts (because in nature everything breaks down in the end - entropy) a bit problematic.
  • #8 16491901
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #9 16492873
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    400 will work but 600 has a slightly different switchboard (not RBA2 but RBA3C) which has many more options - including separate OPEN and CLOSE inputs, as well as any programming of inputs and outputs via O-View. Well, but the choice is the user's responsibility.
  • #10 16501948
    lesmian45
    Level 19  
    What did you finally choose?
  • #11 20187565
    pavvell
    Level 14  
    I'll refresh the topic.
    I also want to choose a drive for a sliding gate with a width of 5.5 m and a weight of ~ 500 kg. I used a luggage scale to measure the force needed to move the gate. It comes out 22 kg. I am considering a Faac C720 drivetrain with 320N force or a C721 with 530N force. In these drives, the engine power is programmed, but there is no information on how to choose this value. Question: how to choose the power?
    It would be stupid to buy a drive 2x more powerful than needed and program it to 40%.
    (Speed regulation is another parameter. I'm asking for power)
    Thank you in advance for your substantive help.
  • #12 20187634
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #13 20188574
    pavvell
    Level 14  
    As it is not difficult to calculate, now you need 67% of the power of the weaker drive, not 90%.

    What are the rules for programming the drive power?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate drive for a DIY sliding gate installation, specifically comparing the Faac 740, Faac 741, and Came BX78 models. The user measures the gate's resistance, noting that it requires approximately 32 kg of force to move, translating to about 310N. Responses emphasize the importance of having a power reserve in the drive to account for factors like winter conditions and potential ice buildup. Recommendations suggest opting for drives with higher thrust capacities, such as the Faac 741 (900 kg, 650 N) or Came BX78 (800 kg, 800 N), to ensure reliable operation. Other brands mentioned include BFT and Nice, with models like BFT Deimos Ultra 600 and Nice Robus 600 also being considered. The conversation highlights the need for careful consideration of the gate's weight, material, and environmental conditions when selecting a drive.
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