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Choosing Suitable Speakers for Tower: Comparing 20w 6ohm, 30w 8ohm, and 2x50w 6ohm Models

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  • #1 16609200
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    The factory speakers for the tower were 20w 6 ohm and 30 w 8 ohm. Same in the second column. I found 2x50w 6ohm speakers whether they will work and whether they will not destroy the amplifier. If not these, what are they?
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  • #2 16609569
    Qbuś
    Level 38  
    Start again and write what the tower is (name, model, etc ...) and the same with the speakers. And write why you want to change the "factory" speakers?
  • #3 16610339
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    I do not know what kind of tower it is, I know that it is Philips, I do not know the model in this tower, there were two speakers, the tower has a 2x50 watt amplifier, but I do not know how it is with ohm. In these loudspeakers there were 2 drivers, one mid-tweeter 30 w at 8 ohms and the other 20 woofer 6 ohms. And I want to buy new ones because the original ones don't work. It was destroyed by children. And I have a question, I have an eye on the speakers for this 2x50 w 6 ohm tower whether they will work or not
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  • #4 16610354
    Ricoh_220

    Level 38  
    Doesn't this tower have a nameplate?
    Just provide her picture.
    Moreover, loudspeakers with higher impedance can be safely switched on
    So instead of 6 ohms, you can safely turn on 8 ohms, you will only lose a little power.
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  • #5 16610505
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    However, this is a tower, such as the Philiss AS440 / 20H tower, 80 watts, so how to choose the speakers
  • #6 16611931
    Ricoh_220

    Level 38  
    GENERAL INFORMATION
    2x20 Watts music power amplifier
    Integrated Bitstream CD player
    Digital tuner with 30 presets
    CD synchro
    Automatic Source Selection
    20 key Audio/Video Remote control
    Matching 2-way loudspeakers + bass reflex.

    RECEPTION/TRANSMISSION
    Tuning system : PLL quartz, digital tuning
    Wave ranges : FM 87.5-108 MHz
    MW 522-1611 kHz
    LW 153-279 kHz
    Random presets : 30

    Autoprogram
    Up/down manual tuning
    Automatic search tuning
    Up/down preset searching
    FM stereo/mono switch and stereo LCD indication.

    AUDIO TAPE DECK
    Wow and flutter : 0.29%
    System : Dual stereo decks
    (playback and record/playback)

    High and normal speed dubbing
    CD synchro
    Continuous play
    Automatic recording level control
    Full autostop.

    COMPACT DISC PLAYER
    Dynamic range : 80 dB
    Frequency range : 20-20,000 Hz
    Harmonic Distortion : 70 dB
    Signal to Noise Ratio : 80 dB

    Bitstream conversion
    Programmably memory for up to 20 tracks
    Program review facility
    Shuffle enables random playing of tracks
    Scan plays the first 10 seconds of each tracks
    Next and previous keys for skipping tracks
    Repeat disc or program
    Touch to close CD tray
    Digital servo control mechanism

    LOUDSPEAKER BOX
    Dimensions (wxhxd) : 220x388x190 mm
    Model number : AK235
    Music power handling capacity : 20 W
    Speaker system : 2 way loudspeaker system
    Speakers : Woofer: 5 1/4"
    Tweeter: 2 1/2"

    AUDIO/SOUND
    Graphic equalizer : 4 band
    Output power : 2x 10 W continuous sine wave
    2x 20 W music power output
    (1 kHz, 6 ohm, D < 10%)

    Dynamic bass boost
    Motorised volume control
    Automatic source selection
    Standby LED indicator in volume knob.

    OPERATION/CONTROLS
    Function keys : 20

    Audio/Video remote control
    RC-5 system
    20 function keys
    Standby mode
    Next, previous, play, pause, stop,
    Tuner, CD, Phono, VCR, TV
    Shuffle, Scan, Repeat
    Volume control up/down

    CONNECTIONS
    Aerial input : 75 ohm FM (coaxial)
    Input : Phone/aux
    Output : Front panel headphone socket

    MISCELLANEOUS
    Dimensions (wxhxd) : 363x388x290 mm approx.
    Display : LCD
    Power supply : 230 V AV mains



    Tu masz specyfikację wynika z niej iż to 2x10W mocy znamionowej.

    Tu link do strony Philipsa
    http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/cpindex.pl...on&mid=Link_ProductInformation&scy=AT&slg=AEN
  • #8 16613511
    Ricoh_220

    Level 38  
    6 ohms and minimum 20W
    The power can of course be greater, but there is no point in overdoing it.
  • #9 16613545
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    So for 70w I can only use 20w?
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  • #10 16613573
    sebap
    Level 41  
    70W, it is off-grid it has. This power is distributed throughout the tower.
  • #11 16613574
    Ricoh_220

    Level 38  
    It can be bigger, but this tower has a power of only 2x10 W
  • #12 16613667
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    sebap wrote:
    70W, it is off-grid it has. This power is distributed throughout the tower.
    Let me elaborate, because as I can see the Author has no idea about it ...:
    The power given as POWER CONSUMPTION is the total power that the tower can draw from the mains at maximum control. This power is actually the power of the power supply - the transformer that is to power all the tower blocks; tuner, tape recorder (if available), CD (if available), all intermediate circuits (tone control for example) and power amplifiers. The latter, depending on how they are built, have a certain efficiency - in most cases in this type of towers this efficiency is approx. 60% - so after adding up all receivers (modules / components) it comes out (as my colleagues wrote above, and the manufacturer also provided in the specification) 10W sine per channel. The musical power, in turn, depends largely on the power supply itself; on its ability to give a certain current over time. The weaker the power supply, the greater the music power (in this case, the power is 20W per channel, but usually the music power does not exceed 150% of the sinus power), because the voltage drops by some amount during a greater load.
    Further - these 10W are the "base" - power that can be considered the minimum power of the speaker units (speakers). There is nothing to prevent the power of the speakers / speaker units from being greater - the amplifier will give it back as much as it can - the speakers will simply operate at a power lower than their nominal power. It is important (and you should always remember this!) That the resistance of the loudspeaker should not be lower than the resistance specified by the manufacturer of the tower - lower resistance means higher current flowing through the amplifier circuits (and of course the power supply), higher losses in the power amplifiers, higher temperature and the real possibility of damaging the power amplifiers (power amplifiers).
    In this case, the manufacturer gives a nominal load resistance of 6 ohms - this is the so-called "golden mean" - resistance is often given as nominal resistance in small towers, home theaters, etc., to somehow allow the use of resistance in the area indicated. Unfortunately - it is also often the resistance resulting from the power output capacity of the amplifier system used to obtain the maximum power that can be "squeezed" from the amplifier system and connecting a lower resistance may overload the amplifier and possibly damage it ...
    On the other hand, connecting columns with higher resistance does not cause any dangers - at most, the power will drop slightly.

    Elomelo xd wrote:
    I found 2x50w 6ohm speakers

    Are you talking about a bare speaker or a column? Remember that a speaker without a housing adapted to it will not sound properly.
  • #13 16613774
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    Thank you very much, I don't know anything about it yet and I'm interested in it. I found the loudspeakers, but they are probably too strong. But why there were 4 original speakers in this tower (2 columns)
    Two 30w 8ohm mid-tweeters and two 20w 6ohm woofers?
  • #14 16613894
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    Elomelo xd wrote:
    I found the loudspeakers, but they are probably too strong.
    There are no "too strong" columns. I was writing:
    398216 Usunięty wrote:
    There is nothing to prevent the power of the speakers / speaker units from being greater - the amplifier will give it back as much as it can - the speakers will simply operate at a power lower than their nominal power.

    Further you write:
    Elomelo xd wrote:
    the original speakers were 4 (2 columns)
    Two 30w 8ohm mid-tweeters and two 20w 6ohm woofers?

    The loudspeaker consists of several speakers - the simplest version is a woofer and a tweeter. As their names indicate, they are designed to reproduce certain frequencies. To prevent the high frequencies from reaching the woofer and the low frequency tweeter, a crossover is used - a simple electronic system (sometimes only one capacitor, sometimes several capacitors and several coils - depends on the type and the speakers themselves), whose task is to divide (separate) the signal from the signal music in such a way that only the frequencies intended for them can reach the appropriate speakers. Due to this crossover, the resistance and power of the loudspeaker are determined ONLY by the woofer (one, sometimes more); And this one is appropriate in your case - 20W and 6 ohms. In other words - the tweeter does not affect the electrical parameters of the loudspeaker.

    Please watch -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c9v72pzJUc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PapfKoMrkZw
    ... and since, how do you write; if you are interested in it - watch the whole thing:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/ReduktorSzumu/videos
    With a little persistence and focus, you will find most of the issues that interest you and explanations for many questions.
  • #15 16613923
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    Thank you for your answer. So it is so that the current goes only to the bass speaker and from this speaker it goes through the capacitor to the tweeter, it means that the channel is 20 watt current, do I still not understand something?
  • #16 16613937
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    You more or less start catching something. But I asked - watch (listen to comments) the movie from the link.
    Best of all.
  • #17 16614975
    Elomelo xd
    Level 7  
    I watched the movie how to choose the speakers for the amplifier there was an example that the amplifier had 2x30w and that the best speakers would be from 50 to 100w, how would it be for my amplifier?
  • #18 16615229
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    From 20 and up.
  • #20 16616076
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    Normally I would say "keep away from this junk (Voice Kraft)", but ... they will fit this tower. The problem is that when you ": grow up" to change equipment to a better speaker, you will also have to replace ...
    These loudspeakers have one advantage (not the worst of sound quality) - They are new and quite elegant ...
    It is not known what headphones are free, but judging by the speakers - also not very good ...

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting suitable replacement speakers for a Philips tower system, originally equipped with 20W 6 ohm and 30W 8 ohm speakers. The user inquires about the compatibility of 2x50W 6 ohm speakers with the tower's amplifier, which is rated at 2x50W. Responses clarify that while higher impedance speakers (8 ohm) can be used without damaging the amplifier, the power rating should be at least 20W. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding speaker configurations, including the role of crossovers in managing frequency distribution between woofers and tweeters. Recommendations suggest that speakers rated from 20W and above would be appropriate for the amplifier's specifications. The user also considers specific speaker models, with some caution advised regarding quality and future upgrades.
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