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Small two-way speakers with very good sound

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  • Hello,
    I would like to present one of my altogether recent projects, which arose from the need of the moment.
    It concerns a small loudspeaker with a surprising sound.
    Unfortunately, due to time, not everything was completely done correctly, for example the final measurements were missing, which I am not completely satisfied with.

    - Idea:
    The idea came about before Christmas, as a gift idea for a family member.
    There wasn't much time and the requirement was a bit strange, but how practical - the whole thing had to fit into the main luggage to be flown on a plane :) . As I live quite far away and the gift was intended for a resident of Poland. This determined the wattage, dimensions and type of speakers used.

    - Why/why not?
    The speakers were intended for a person who really enjoys listening to different genres of music and really listens and hears a lot of what he listens to. So far he had used various amplifiers and older Polish speakers, something ZgC, with as I recall GDN25/40, GDM and GDWK, kind of like a prototype of Altus. Then came the amplifier with the hope that more power and "effects"/additional speakers would improve something, there were even dummies in the form of a subwoofer. There was always something missing, something in the bandwidth was wrong, the bass somehow muffled, etc. This is where the idea of making these loudspeakers came in, to provide what is needed on 2 loudspeakers without dummies.

    - Design:
    I relied on the long-proven and, for me, wonderful Visaton "fontana" design, omnidirectional loudspeakers, have been in operation at my place for a few nice years and so far I have not heard anything better.
    Because of the size and design, I had to choose slightly different loudspeakers that work well in a limited design. The choice fell on the Visaton W130s and DTW72s, they are not high end speakers but still very good for their price shelf.

    - Construction:
    I didn't keep too many photos, what remains I attach:
    1) construction details of the main cabinet:
    View of the interior of a wooden speaker cabinet against a wooden floor
    2) assembled enclosure, on the right the hole for the woofer/midrange speaker, on the left you can see the BR and connector holes
    Two wooden speaker enclosures with holes for drivers and connectors.
    3) almost finished column after the first paint jobs, tweeter mounted for test but no woofer
    Speaker cabinet with a mounting hole for the speaker.
    4) construction details of the cone/diffuser,
    Wooden cone made from assembling several discs. Wooden cone with visible layers against a background of books.

    It is/was glued together from several (4 circles of appropriate thickness) and sanded to final shape.

    You can't see it on the pictures, but due to the fact that the BR is facing the floor, the columns stand on 5 cm legs.
    Unfortunately I didn't take pictures of the final product, but for those interested I can ask the owner for such pictures.
    Interested in the details of the construction, please contact me, there are a few difficult places here, but everything is manageable for a person with tools and able to use them.

    - How do they play?

    I carried out listening tests at home, unfortunately standing next to large fountains, they do not present themselves in any outstanding way. However, it was enough to listen to them, just like in the originals, everything is balanced, nothing stands out or colouration. There is enough bass and surprisingly you can really hear the instruments playing in the lowest octaves, the sound is quite detailed.. In general, these are loudspeakers for people who do not have too much space (although I tested in rooms from 15-40 m²) and want to enjoy the full sound. Tests at the current owner's house can be compared to a huge surprise (that these are such small constructions) combined with a long moment of silence (that they are so small and have so much to offer).
    Maybe as a summary let us say that all other speakers were practically "thrown away" within a few days, the owner returned to the stereo amplifier without a subwoofer and claims that he no longer misses anything in the sound. With the amplifier "cranked up" they can play really loud, I even surprised myself how loud for such small speakers.

    - Costs:
    When I bought the speakers, they cost me 35 and 17 euros, plus about 10 euros for the connectors and crossover components. The wood I had in 'home stock', the glues, paint, diffuser mounting parts were an additional 20-30 euros.

    Finally, it might be worth putting a bit more work into the project and enjoying the final result, rather than encasing something weak with dummies. These are not speakers for those who want to listen loudly and the bass must make the glasses vibrate.
    Greetings

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    viayner
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  • #2 21074198
    rach_UMK
    Level 32  
    I used to be curious to see how these types of kit played. Well, some designs captivated me, i.e. their appearance. As for the sound, it was different and I was not impressed by any of them.
    I do not mention the prices of the "ready-made" sets, well... they are not cheap (at least the ones I encountered).

    But it still crosses my mind to listen again, only that in my "backyard", in my home comfort with its advantages and disadvantages.
  • #3 21075228
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello
    I can only refer to my constructions, I have already made a couple of them, from simple 2-way through 2.5-way, classic 3-way, but there was always something missing, so I ventured into omnidirectional columns and the surprise was enormous what an aluminium speaker with a diaphragm diameter of 148 mm can do. Coming back to the small speakers described, the surprise is just as positive, and in fact with few speakers even much bigger I can compare them.
    Personally I can recommend omnidirectional type designs (for the record, no matter where it is in the room, I have a very similar sound intensity and its panorama, which cannot be achieved with typical directional speakers, but this is also their disadvantage depending on the purpose), so far a very well balanced sound without excess in any band, bass "perfect" for my ear, detailed, expressive, but no "umc umc umc" is not for them speakers. More equalization in the amplifier I have set to "0" and nothing is missing in the bandwidth, which could not be obtained with other speakers.
    Greetings
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  • #4 21078968
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    "Large" Montanas also have a smaller diffuser for the treble (photo left bottom)

    Technical drawing of speaker components, including a holding device and cones.
    In your speakers too? My impression is that without it the treble would be horizontally impaired.
    PS. Actually a photo of the finished speakers and crossover would be useful.
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  • #5 21079648
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hi
    Yes, both of my fountains have two diffusers, and you correctly noted that the sound would be "impoverished" due to the different way the sound propagates and builds up the panorama.
    I'll look for additional information.
    Greetings
    I'll link the crossovers and simulations:
    Electronic circuit simulation with frequency response graphs.

    I found the pictures:
    Speaker with two diffusers placed on a wooden floor next to a power strip. .
  • #6 21082443
    mfac
    Level 17  
    All right, but how about stereo space? Is it well enough defined or does it blur across the room? Doesn't it sound like it's coming through the fabric or off the wall?
  • #7 21082743
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hi
    The stereo base is very good, (I can only refer to my design), everything is very detailed (but here there is a big influence of the speakers themselves), as I mentioned with directional/traditional speakers with the speakers in one direction, the stereo base is nice straight ahead but the bigger the angle the worse. With me it is good even at a considerable distance, in addition the sound is in and around the whole room and it is not muffled as with directional speakers.
    Of course everything is a subjective feeling and everyone can perceive it slightly differently, I suggest if there is such a possibility to listen to this type of speakers.
    Greetings
  • #8 21082942
    stellardrone90
    Level 20  
    Congratulations on the idea, but I would nevertheless choose something better in the 'middle'. :) .
  • #9 21083397
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    You made the columns in the shape of a quadrangular box. The originals were octagonal in horizontal section. Did you not think to make the enclosure a cylinder? You can easily get a 'tube' made of plywood. Something like that would not be better than a regular box because of the reflection suppression?
    Quote:
    I would choose something better in the "middle"

    These speakers are not weak, I would say the upper zone of the popular ones. Higher up we enter the sultry ground of audiophile, walnut enclosures counterpointed with glued Hokkaido maple and gold terminals.
  • #10 21083601
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello
    My home big fountains are octagonal/valley, these as I mentioned had a bit of construction and transport constraints, that's why there was a forced shape and size.
    I personally like Visaton speakers, I have already made a couple of constructions on them, they are reasonably priced maybe a bit more expensive than "Tonsils", but the quality of reproduction is already another shelf. Sometimes adding "a few pennies" will later reduce many problems and the desire to add, for example, subwoofers or other dummies.
    @stellardrone90 - and from what does your colleague conclude that the "middle" of the band has some problems / shortcomings? Surely these are not 'centre speaker' type speakers or others for the reproduction of mainly the human voice, but certainly nothing is missing.
    Greetings
  • #11 21084140
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    I suspect that the phrase: something better "inside" means, according to the previous speaker, better components (speakers). Let him explain it himself.
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  • #12 21084147
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    stellardrone90 wrote:
    Congratulations on the idea, but I would however choose something better in the "middle". :)
    Please explain maybe what you mean, is it the midrange or the components? As I mentioned in the case of these small "fountains" there were some design limitations, hence the specific choice of components, in the "big ones" I have aluminium speakers without any reservations about the quality of reproduction despite their still not very high price.Greetings

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the design and performance of small two-way speakers, particularly focusing on a project aimed at creating a portable speaker for a family member. The creator expresses satisfaction with the sound quality despite some design limitations due to size and transport constraints. Various participants share their experiences with different speaker designs, including omnidirectional speakers, and discuss the importance of speaker components and enclosure shapes. Recommendations include using higher-quality components for better sound reproduction, with mentions of Visaton speakers as a preferred choice over cheaper alternatives. The conversation also touches on the impact of speaker design on sound dispersion and stereo imaging.
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