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Loncin 250cc Quad No Spark Issue: Replaced Ignition Coil, Module, Wires & More - Seeking Advice

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  • #1 16637213
    lisekey
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    Hello
    I have a problem in the ATV described above, such parts have already been replaced:
    -the ignition coil
    - ignition module
    -wires, pipe
    - own installation so that there is only a spark.

    The coil checked with the meter, the resistance is fine, i.e. the charging coil has a value of about 300 and the pulser 141, so it's ok, the mass is everywhere, the problem is exactly on the black and yellow wire that connects the module with the ignition coil because, as far as I know, it should be on before the voltage of the order of 10-12v during the shooting and it should be variable, and this value during the shooting increases to different values and then drops and after stopping the turning with the starter, the value jumps again so much that it is negative and goes down and the question is what is going on?

    I am asking all forum members for help, any suggestion will be helpful.
    Greetings.
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  • #2 16637244
    rafcio_21
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    Check the cable in the ignition module responsible for extinguishing, if it connects to ground, there will be no spark, you can try to disconnect it from the module and check the spark.
  • #3 16637247
    lisekey
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    Tried disengaging and nothing helped.
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  • #4 16637256
    rafcio_21
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    Take photos of the impusator coil module and engine cubes and post on the forum from the photos something will come up sooner
  • #5 16637267
    lisekey
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    such a set is there like here https://www.google.pl/search?client=firefox-b...cin+250&oq=iskrownik+loncin+250&gs_l=psy-ab.3. .0i30k1.22362.28275.0.28547.20.20.0.0.0.163.2574.0j19.19.0 .... 0 ... 1.1.64.psy-ab..1.19.2567 ... 0j0i67k1j0i24k1.Q__g5QRQgmk # imgdii = lzMvaUC_xBUc98M: & imgr98M: & imgr98M = K2IAH1y-a-wdLM: only the colors are different
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  • #6 16637307
    rafcio_21
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    This is a lot of possibilities, since you bought a new module, the coil requires 2 cables from the motor, not counting the weight, and one for the coil from the module to fire. Check all cables possible that you have mistaken the cables for the charging coils as the module's power supply. You should be feeding it from that one larger coil.
  • #7 16637317
    lisekey
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    no, black and red is from the module's power supply, blue is from the pulser, green is ground, white and yellow from the battery charging
  • #8 16637334
    rafcio_21
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    And which coil does this red and black one go to?
    I already repair a few magnetos and 50 percent of the damage is the module power coil has very thin wires wound and in the place of connection on its side to the wire these thin wires break off, the other 50 percent are modules
  • #9 16637342
    lisekey
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    but if it was the fault of the coil, I would not have about 12v on the module, i.e. the black and red wire, maybe the ignition module is damaged, although I put the module from the quad 110 and the same
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  • #10 16637348
    rafcio_21
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    And in 110 this module worked.
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    lisekey
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    so even 2 I have which I also assumed
  • #12 16637374
    rafcio_21
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    This is something wrong with this modul power coil
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    lisekey
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    And if the pulser was damaged, what would be the symptoms with voltage on the black and yellow cable?
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    #14 16637387
    rafcio_21
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    The spark could occur, but not regularly, but from what you wrote, I measured it. In addition to checking with the meter, I put the cable from the pulser to the engine and turn the starter as it sparks when turning it, it recognizes that it is ok. The method is a bit stupid but effective, I do the same with the power coil, sometimes the meter shows that it is ok, but it is linden under load.
  • #15 16637391
    lisekey
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    and thanks for the advice I'm checking tomorrow :)
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    rafcio_21
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    Let me know what you can determine. greetings

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around a Loncin 250cc quad experiencing a no-spark issue despite replacing several components, including the ignition coil, ignition module, and wiring. The user has measured the resistance of the charging coil and pulser, finding them to be within acceptable ranges. However, the voltage on the black and yellow wire connecting the ignition module to the coil is inconsistent, raising concerns about potential wiring errors or module damage. Forum members suggest checking the ignition module's grounding cable, inspecting the wiring connections, and testing the pulser under load to diagnose the problem further. The user is encouraged to share photos of the components for additional insights.
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FAQ

TL;DR: On Loncin 250cc no‑spark faults, “thin wires break off” and about 50% trace to the CDI power coil; the other 50% are modules. Focus tests on the pulser and the stator’s CDI feed. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637334]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps DIY riders quickly isolate no‑spark causes without guess‑replacing parts, saving time and money.

Quick Facts

How do I quickly pinpoint a no‑spark on a Loncin 250cc?

Start at the trigger and source. Load‑test the pulser by briefly touching its lead to engine ground while cranking; you should see a spark. Repeat a load‑test for the CDI power coil; meters can pass bad coils. If both pass, inspect CDI and coil. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637387]

What does the black/yellow wire do?

It links the CDI module to the ignition coil’s primary, carrying the discharge pulse. In this case, the poster saw fluctuating and even negative readings after cranking, pointing you to the CDI‑to‑coil drive path. [Elektroda, lisekey, post #16637213]

Which stator wires power the CDI and sensors on this quad?

Reported mapping: black/red supplies CDI power, blue is the pulser (pickup), green is chassis ground, and white plus yellow feed the charging circuit. Verify colors on your harness before testing. [Elektroda, lisekey, post #16637317]

What resistance values suggest my pulser and charging coils are OK?

A user measured about 300 Ω on the charging coil and 141 Ω on the pulser. Treat these as typical reference points, then confirm performance with load tests, not just a multimeter. [Elektroda, lisekey, post #16637213]

Why does my multimeter say the stator is fine but there’s still no spark?

Some coils fail only under load. “The meter shows that it is ok, but it is linden under load.” Do live cranking tests on the pulser and CDI power coil to reveal intermittent or weak output. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637387]

How common are CDI versus stator failures here?

An experienced tech reports roughly 50% are CDI power‑coil breaks at the fine lead connection, and the other 50% are CDI modules. “Thin wires break off,” so inspect that junction closely. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637334]

Could the kill/stop wire be the entire problem?

Yes. If the kill wire grounds the CDI, there will be no spark. Disconnect the extinguishing lead at the module, then crank to check for spark. Reconnect after testing. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637244]

If the pulser (pickup) fails, what symptoms should I expect?

You may still get a spark, but not regularly. Irregular trigger signals cause random or missing sparks during cranking and running. Confirm with the simple ground‑touch pulser test while cranking. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637387]

Which stator coil should feed the CDI, and can miswiring kill spark?

Feed the CDI from the larger dedicated power coil. Misconnecting charging coils as CDI supply can prevent spark. Re‑trace the two engine leads for CDI input and the single CDI‑to‑coil lead. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637307]

Will a 110cc quad’s CDI fix a Loncin 250 no‑spark?

Not necessarily. In this case, installing two known 110cc CDIs did not restore spark on the 250. That points back to wiring, the stator power coil, or kill‑wire issues. [Elektroda, lisekey, post #16637342]

What is the pulser (pickup) on this system?

It’s a small trigger coil that senses flywheel position and sends a timing pulse to the CDI. Without a clean pulse, the CDI won’t discharge correctly. Test it by the brief ground‑touch method during cranking. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637387]

I see ~12 V on the black/red CDI power lead; does that rule out the stator?

No. The poster saw about 12 V on black/red yet still had no spark. Suspect a weak CDI power coil under load or a faulty CDI despite the static reading. Load tests are decisive. [Elektroda, lisekey, post #16637342]

How do I load‑test the pulser and CDI power coil (3 steps)?

  1. Disconnect the pulser lead and briefly tap it to engine ground while cranking; watch for a spark.
  2. Repeat with the CDI power coil lead; look for a spark response.
  3. If either fails, inspect wiring breaks at the coil lead junction and replace as needed. [Elektroda, rafcio_21, post #16637387]
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