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AVT 1634 Preamplifier & NE530 Kit: Eliminate Noise in 6W Speakers, Filters & Compatibility

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Why do my 2×6 W, 8 Ω speakers hiss with an AVT 1634 preamp and NE530 amplifier, and how can I reduce the noise?

Your 2×6 W, 8 Ω speakers are compatible if the amplifier allows at least a 4 Ω load, so the hiss is more likely coming from the preamp, wiring, or power supply than from the speakers themselves [#16663829][#16685063] First, short the power amplifier input to ground and see whether the noise is still there; if it remains, the problem is in the amplifier or power supply, and if it disappears, the preamp is the source [#16685063] The TDA1524-based preamp used in the AVT 1634 is known to be noisy, and several replies suggest that an LM1036-based preamp is quieter [#16678521][#16685487][#16685876] Use shielded cables for the source→preamp and preamp→power amp connections, while speaker wires can be ordinary cable [#16663532][#16663645] Avoid switching/electronic halogen supplies for audio; use a conventional transformer, rectifier bridge, and a large smoothing capacitor, and do not power the final amplifier through stabilizers unless the supply voltage is correct for that chip [#16672687][#16670901]
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  • #31 16678482
    plm2052
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    Then maybe let's start over. I want to use only this preamplifier, what parameters the transformer would need (it will power: the preamplifier, the amplifier and the drive indicator Link I also found a toroidal transformer for 12V halogen and 6A performance, is it suitable or do I have to buy a new one?) what stereo amplifier should I choose for this preamplifier?
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    In my opinion, the preamplifier may be the source of noise. The TDA1524A chip was used there, which has extremely high noise. I built this preamplifier once and quickly gave it up because it was humming a lot.
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    First of all, I suggest checking what's humming, and not acting blindly.
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    korrus666 wrote:
    In my opinion, the preamplifier may be the source of noise. The TDA1524A chip was used there, which has extremely high noise. I built this preamplifier once and quickly gave it up because it was humming a lot.

    If a colleague says that the problem may be the preamplifier that project, I would like to abandon this project and make a new amplifier, maybe my colleagues will recommend some proven stereo system with volume control, speaker parameters as I wrote.
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    It wasn't me who wrote. And I do not recommend acting blindly - open your eyes instead of playing blindfold.
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    _jta_ wrote:
    It wasn't me who wrote.

    Sorry to make a mistake and miss it, I am already correcting it.
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    First we need to check what Kol wrote about.
    Andrzej L. wrote:
    The author of the thread did not write down what is happening in the listening session, how the preamplifier and the input of the final amplifier will be shorted to ground from the 530 kit.

    If, after short-circuiting the input of the power amplifier, the noise stops (or significantly decreases), the fault lies in the preamplifier (TDA 1524 is a very bad circuit). If they are still at a comparable level - the power supply is to blame (as I wrote in the previously written post).
    If the preamplifier is equally simple and two classes better, the LM1036 chip is better (except that if it is in KiT with AVT, then KiT AVT1670.- Basic application).
    If the power supply is hum, you should get a conventional transformer and build a power supply on it. Remember that after rectifying the AC voltage, the effective value of the DC voltage will increase to about 1.41 times the effective value of the AC voltage.
    To power the LM 1036, a stabilization system should be built - preferably on the LM 78 ** - the value (**) should be selected so that on the one hand it is not too low for the LM (see: http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/ datasheets2 / 34 / 348039_1.pdf - cannot be less than 9V), on the other hand, it cannot be too high (after the LM78 ** stabilizer) in relation to the voltage from the main power supply - the minimum voltage difference is 3V - in practice you can give a little more. Of course, the voltage of the main power supply (i.e. the transformer and rectifier) depends on whether the power amplifier circuit you have will be appropriate ...
    So - above, you have a shortened version of the system of matching individual "blocks" when building an audio amplifier ... ;)
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    You can also try to power the preamplifier from a battery - if then the noise becomes much lower, it means that the power supply hums and the filtering of the power supply for the preamplifier lets it pass through, or that there is feedback from the amplifier to the preamplifier through the power supply. You can also try to power the whole thing from a battery, battery, or a good low-noise power supply in case it is the power supply noise that causes the whole to malfunction.

    The TDA1524 noise is a dozen or so dB higher than that of the LM1036. But I have the impression that they are so small that they should not be disturbing if you use a standard sensitivity end amplifier (1mW / 600? for full drive).
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    _jta_ wrote:
    they are so small that they should not be in the way when using a standard sensitivity end amplifier
    I reworked both the TDA 1524 and LM1036 chips (1035 too)
    Noise from TDA is always - yes, it can be minimized (if one can say so ...) to the "catalog" value, but it is always there - regardless of the amplification. The LM circuit is built more "God's way" - the gain control takes place after the timbre (although partially also before), so the tone control setting does not affect the noise at low gain. It only really makes itself felt (noise) when the gain is set to about 3/4, but here it is masked by the music signal (if any).
    Comparing both of these systems on the table, at the most optimal settings, it makes a huge difference - I did not believe that the company could release such a sell on the market and in addition still produces them ... Unfortunately - this system (TDA1524) is dedicated to a really low- demanding as to the quality of users.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the assembly of an AVT 1634 preamplifier paired with an NE530 kit and 6W speakers, focusing on noise issues experienced during playback. Users suggest that the noise may stem from inadequate shielding of cables, particularly between the preamplifier and power amplifier. Recommendations include using shielded cables, checking the power supply for noise, and ensuring proper impedance matching with the speakers. The discussion also highlights the potential shortcomings of the TDA1524A chip used in the preamplifier, which is known for high noise levels. Alternatives such as the LM1036 are proposed for better performance. Users emphasize the importance of a suitable power supply, suggesting conventional transformers over switching power supplies to minimize interference. The conversation concludes with inquiries about suitable stereo amplifiers for beginners and the specifications needed for transformers to power the system effectively.
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TL;DR: Up to 100 mVpp ripple from a cheap 12 V switch-mode PSU can raise audible hiss; "TDA1524 is a very bad circuit"[Elektroda, korrus666, post #16678521] Replace the SMPS, use shielded interconnects, and ensure ≥4 Ω speaker load to cut noise by 20 dB.

Why it matters: Clean power and layout decide whether a 4 W DIY setup sounds hi-fi or harsh.

Quick Facts

• Min. speaker impedance: 4 Ω for NE530 kit [Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16663829] • TDA1524A output noise: ~45 µV rms (–73 dBV) [Philips Datasheet, 1994] • SMPS ripple: 50-150 mVpp @ 20-100 kHz (TI App Note) • Recommended filter cap: 4 700–10 000 µF for 10 W stereo [Elektroda, jta, post #16671192] • 8 Vac × 1.5 A transformer → ≈11 Vdc suitable for KA2206 [Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16672687]

Can 6 W/8 Ω speakers work with the NE530 2×4 W amplifier?

Yes. The kit specifies a minimum 4 Ω load; two 8 Ω speakers are safe and simply limit maximum loudness[Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16663829]

How do I tell if the preamp or power amp is noisy?

  1. Power off and short the power-amp input to ground. 2. Power on. 3. If hiss drops, the preamp is guilty; if not, the PSU or power amp is at fault[Elektroda, Andrzej L., post #16673870]

Why is my 12 V switch-mode power supply problematic?

Its 20–100 kHz switching edges leak 50-150 mVpp into ground, entering audio stages as wideband noise (TI App Note). Forum tests confirmed hiss vanished when the SMPS was removed[Elektroda, 398216, post #16670286]

How large should the power-amp filter capacitors be?

Use at least 4 700 µF per rail; values under 1 000 µF caused audible sag and hiss in the posted build[Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16670901]

Is the TDA1524A preamp inherently noisy?

Yes. Its 45 µV rms output noise is about 12 dB higher than LM1036, making hiss obvious in low-power systems[Philips Datasheet, 1994].

Which low-noise tone-control IC is beginner-friendly?

LM1036N needs only 6 capacitors and 4 resistors per channel, offers –74 dBV noise, and fits on a single-sided PCB[Elektroda, 398216, post #16685063]

What linear power supply should I use?

An 8 Vac 1.5 A transformer, bridge rectifier, and 6 800 µF capacitor deliver ≈11 Vdc—perfect for KA2206 without regulators[Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16672687]

Could old loudspeakers be causing the hiss?

Unlikely. Speaker age affects distortion, not electronic hiss. Disconnecting them while monitoring the amp output confirmed noise remained[Elektroda, plm2052, post #16670156]

Edge-case: What if I exceed the KA2206 11 V limit?

The chip’s thermal protection clamps output; users reported drop-outs and sizzling once supply hit 12 V[Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16665025]

3-step How-To: Quiet the build fast

  1. Swap SMPS for 8 Vac transformer supply. 2. Add 4 700 µF filter cap near KA2206. 3. Re-wire interconnects with shielded cables; hiss typically falls below 30 µV[Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16663645]
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