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Control Gas Furnace Room Temperature with Wired Devices and Thermometers

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  • #1 16811079
    KlonAdam
    Level 12  
    Hello,

    My own thoughts regarding the control of the gas stove came up with an interesting idea but I can not find such a system. Namely:

    In each room I have a head mounted on the radiator which is coupled with a thermometer on the wall. After reaching the set temperature, the thermometer closes the head and sends a signal to the furnace controller. Let's give it 3 rooms, each with a heads and a thermometer. Each user sets an individual temperature. However, let's say that in two rooms the temperature is set and the valves are closed and in one the thermometer requires heating from the gas furnace and such information is transmitted to the controller and later to the furnace - only one room is heated.

    In sum:

    I need devices and communication system between the head and the thermometer, thermometers and the controller. I want to do everything wired.

    Thank you in advance for your help.

    Control Gas Furnace Room Temperature with Wired Devices and Thermometers
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  • #2 16811094
    Plumpi
    Heating systems specialist
    You haven't discovered America :)
    This is done very often.
    You install a room controller in each room
    https://www.google.pl/search?q=sterownik+poko...BgbHXAhVCDewKHe_bBSoQ_AUICigB&biw=981&bih=521
    that controls the thermal actuator
    https://www.google.pl/search?biw=981&bih=521&...k1j0i24k1l7.34148.40335.0.41368.18.18.0.0.0.0 .205.1555.15j1j1.17.0 .... 0 ... ... 1.1.64.psy-ab..1.17.1553 0i67k1j0i8i30k1.0.OxPy_siQQh8
    mounted on the valve in the control cabinet through the so-called control bar
    https://www.google.pl/search?biw=981&bih=521&...l3j0i24k1l3.89082.92370.0.93583.16.16.0.0.0.0 .199.1327.14j1.15.0 .... 0 ... ... 1.1.64.psy-ab..1.15.1323 0i67k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i10i24k1.0.nFp0elnVzjY
    http://www.ekoszok.pl/listwa_centralna_sterujaca_ogrzewanie_podlogowe

    The boiler control contact is also connected to this strip.
    When any room controller requests heating, the strip closes this contact and the boiler starts to heat.

    This is a very standard solution.
    The system can be wired, but wireless systems are also available
    https://www.google.pl/search?q=listwa+bezprze...rhLHXAhWE_aQKHSycAp4Q_AUICigB&biw=981&bih=521
    http://e-sterowniki.pl/szafka-z-rozdzielaczem...jaca-ogrzewaniem-podlogowym-rfskpl-p-108.html
    You mount the strip in the control cabinet. You mount valves on the manifold beam together with thermal actuators, which you connect to the strip. Battery-powered room controllers connect wirelessly to the strip. Even if needed, the boiler can also be controlled wirelessly.
    All you have to do is pull the 230V power cord to the distributor box.
    Despite the fact that they write "underfloor heating strip" in the name, it doesn't matter if the circuits power the floor or radiators.
  • #3 16811389
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    KlonAdam wrote:
    Let's give it 3 rooms, each with a heads and a thermometer. Each user sets an individual temperature. However, let's say that in two rooms the temperature is set and the valves are closed and in one the thermometer requires heating from the gas furnace and such information is transmitted to the controller and later to the furnace - only one room is heated.

    Only I see a small "but", because with such a small object as the mentioned 3 rooms, where at a time 2 are cut off and only one is to be heated, there remains the problem of the ratio of boiler power to radiator power.
    Double-function condensing boilers with the lowest power modulate from approx. 3.5 kW for 50/30 temperature, and the C22 heater 60 cm high and 100 cm long at 50/30 offers only approx. 0.5 kW.
    As a result, the water on the boiler will quickly reach the set upper water temperature threshold and the boiler will turn off despite the fact that the controller can still give a HEATER signal, so in practice the heating will be slightly different than it follows from theoretical assumptions. Only practice will show if reality will meet your needs.
    Therefore, in my opinion, it would be better to adjust the radiators in such a way that all rooms warm up at approximately the same time, i.e. you should avoid a situation in which the boiler must heat only for 1 small radiator.
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  • #4 16811403
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    BUCKS I have an electric boiler and it doesn't matter if only one radiator is on or several. The boiler works so that the set temperature in a given room is consistent with the programmed one.
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  • #5 16811407
    KlonAdam
    Level 12  
    Thank you for your response. This is just an example - 3 rooms. In general, the house will have 122m2. One question remains for me, is it better to mount these regulators on radiators or to bring everything to the distributor and create control there? I plan to give radiators everywhere, I do not want to play in the floor. Generally calculated. 11 heaters (smaller or larger) should be mounted on the manifold an additional pump, is the gas stove enough?
  • #6 16811544
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    Ryszard49 wrote:
    BUCKS I have an electric boiler

    With an electric boiler, whether it will turn on for 1 minute every 3 minutes does not make such a difference as with a condensing gas boiler, which has so-called blow.
    Anyway, the thread is about gas.

    KlonAdam wrote:
    In general, the house will have 122m2. [...] 11 heaters [...]

    It is easy, then the overall balance looks different.
    Although if you know in advance that in a given room you plan for higher temperatures, in my opinion it is worth using larger heaters to maintain more or less equal proportions.
    Your other questions are beyond my knowledge and experience, but Plumpi, for example, will be able to give you specific advice.
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  • #7 18949591
    kiemon2
    Level 9  
    Hello. Or to the control that you discussed. Ie. The main panel is connected to the strip and additional regulators are connected to the strip. And the bar itself is connected to the stove. The question is whether it is worth pulling the internet on the cable to the stove?
  • #8 18949666
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    BUCKS , I had LPG heating and fuel oil and I must admit that I could only get full control on the electric stove.
  • #9 18950066
    ROWE
    Level 34  
    Ie turning the river stick # 1.
    A good weekly room regulator (smaller, here is the transmission) and thermostatic valves on all radiators (or those in the room with the regulator) do the same.
    Yes, you can also do miracles.
  • #10 18950122
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    ROWE , of course, weekly but in every room.
  • #11 18950150
    ROWE
    Level 34  
    Then thermostatic valves will be practically unnecessary, unless the rooms are painful.
  • #12 18950467
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    kiemon2 wrote:
    The question is whether it is worth pulling the internet on the cable to the stove?

    Since the tabernacle, the head does not hurt.
    Sometimes there are controllers that connect to the Internet, which, for example, collect data on the outside temperature so that you do not have to install an external temperature sensor, etc.
    In a new home, LAN is a duty for me, so then I would even pull the LAN cable to the refrigerator, because there are refrigerators that have a net connection ;)

    PS By the way, the topic from 3 years ago was unearthed, and the discussion started as if it were fresh.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around controlling the temperature of a gas furnace using wired devices, specifically through the integration of thermostats and thermal actuators mounted on radiators. The user proposes a system where each room has a thermometer that communicates with a central furnace controller, allowing individual temperature settings for each room. Responses highlight existing solutions, such as room controllers and thermal actuators, and emphasize the importance of balancing boiler and radiator capacities to ensure efficient heating. Suggestions include using a central control panel connected to a distribution strip, and considerations for whether to install internet connectivity for enhanced control. The conversation also touches on the effectiveness of electric versus gas heating systems and the potential need for larger radiators to maintain consistent heating across multiple rooms.
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